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No regrets! Ragyo Kiryuin vs Esdeath

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We all knew this was coming. Since Esdeath is too stronk for Satsuki, we have her mother at least.

Esdeath
Divine Gate Esdeath
I don't understand the feelings of the weak. The law of the world is survival of its fittest. It's how the weak are weeded out. It just means those people that died were too weak. It's only natural for the weak to perish.
~ Esdeath​
Summary

Esdeath is the primary antagonist of Akame ga Kill!.

A high-ranking general of the Empire and leader of the Jaegers, she is the Empire's most powerful asset, even beyond Shikoutazer, not only because her powers are capable of attacking the very world, but also because of her blood-thirst and an absolute belief in "Survival of the Fittest", honed since her childhood. She is feared as "a born reaper" and "a natural disaster with a wicked consciousness", a claim backed up by her strength and combat skills that clearly give off the image of sadism and ruthlessness.

Powers and Stats
Tier: At least High 7-A, likely higher. 6-B Environmental Destruction with Ice Storm Commander-In-Chief

Name: Esdeath, "Empire's Strongest", "Ice Queen"

Origin: Akame ga Kill!

Gender: Female

Age: Early 20s

Classification: Human, Assassin, General, Teigu User, Leader of the Jaegers

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Proficient Assassin, Ice Manipulation, Time Stop, Weather Manipulation (Ice storm via Ice Storm Commander-in-Chief), Master Swordswoma, Master Hand-to-Hand Combatant, Extrasensory Perception (Can sense the presence of her adversaries if they carry a shred of murderous intent and has a strong 6th sense), Pseudo-Flight, Aura (Fear, bloodlust), Afterimage Creation, Resistance (to Empathic Manipulation and Willpower Manipulation [Unaffected by Scream], Mind Manipulation [Drank the entire chalice of Demon's Extract and resisted the Danger Beast's attempt to break her mind/ take control of her, while even of cup of the blood can destroy a human's psyche], heat [Her ice can resist being melted by Tatsumi's fire-breath, and completely unaffected by Die Leaguer's Fire Orb], and cold [Grew up in a snowy region, and could cover herself in her own ice without any sign of discomfort])

Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level+, likely higher (Froze an entire river in a flashback shortly after obtaining her Teigu, when she was much weaker than her current state. Far stronger than Budo. She effortlessly one-shotted Tyrant and was able to destroy Murasame, and has been established as being stronger than virtually everyone in the series). Country level Enviromental Destruction with Ice Storm Commander-In-Chief

Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic (Mach 292) via power-scaling from Tatsumi

Lifting Strength: SuperHuman (Casually lifts men larger than her and Tatsumi cannot escape her hold without Incursio)

Striking Strength: At least Large Mountain Class+, likely higher (Effortlessly one-shotted Tyrant)

Durability: At least Large Mountain level+, likely higher (Able to take hits from Ennodzuno Akame)

Stamina: Extremely high, can fight against a whole army and continue to fight powerful Teigu like Susanoo even after using Mahapadma

Range: Extended melee range with her rapier, several kilometers with her Teigu.

Standard Equipment: Rapier, pet dragon.

Intelligence: Very high. Esdeath is an extremely skilled combatant renowned as the strongest soldier of the Empire, being a dangerously capable strategist and field commander who has led her forces to countless victories over the Revolutionary Army. Her skill is so great that Najenda believes only an army and ten Teigu users as skilled as Akame would stand a chance of defeating her if they all came at once. She prefers melee combat when not using her Teigu, easily taking on multiple foes in hand-to-hand combat at once and slicing through entire hordes of Danger Beasts with her rapier in a single movement. Her sadistic hobbies have given her a great understanding of human biology and is savvy enough to continually research and develop new abilities to use against her foes. However, for all her skill, Esdeath is still a bloodthirsty ****** who is more than willing to prolong a fight to savor it and her foe's suffering.

Weaknesses: Her trump card can be avoided by having a possible resistance to the cold (As Tatsumi's new Incursio showed in the manga, when his teigu evolved). Using Mahapadma drains Esdeath and she can only use it once a day, She requires a great deal of prep time to summon her Ice Cavalry in large numbers. Esdeath is a ****** to the core and will drag out a fight she's enjoying to savor it, which can distract her from her objective and keep her from finishing her foe off immediately.

Feats:

Physical Strength:


  • Kicked a man's face off
  • Kicked Wave across a room


Superhuman Speed and Agility:



Enhanced Durability:

  • Unaffected by the temperatures of her own ice


Enhanced Stamina:

  • Defeated nearly half of Night Raid without breaking a sweat
  • In a completely one sided battle, defeated Leone, Najenda, Susanoo and Tatsumi by herself
  • She has killed entire armies on her own


Enhanced Senses:



Immense Killing Aura:



Well Versed in Human Anatomy:



Skilled Hand-to-Hand Fighter:

  • Was capable of taking on both Base Incursio Tatsumi and Magatama Manifestation Susanoo at the same time with no trouble


Notable Attacks/Techniques:

  • Esdeath is considered the strongest soldier in the Empire's army and one of the strongest in the series. She possesses a powerful Teigu called Demon God's Manifestation: Demon's Extract that allows her to manipulate ice and create ice from nothing. She uses it to create icicles, freeze people to death and more. She has been able to freeze an entire lake within moments with her ability.
  • Esdeath usually carries a long rapier that she wields with her into combat. She has shown herself to be quite adept with this weapon even without having to resort to her Teigu
  • She is shown to be a highly skilled hand-to-hand combatant as well, possessing great physical strength, such as when she sent Tatsumi crashing to the ground in one kick, or when she slammed Seryu through the ground in their first meeting. She was also able to slam Suzuka into a wall with relatively little effort.
  • She also has a strong sixth sense, being able to sense killing intent even at long distances. She was perfectly able to sense that someone was spying on her. Also, her sense of smell is strong as she conformed that it was Tatsumi after checking his scent when she reunited with him on top of Mt. Fake from one sniff.


  • Esdeath freezes a river
  • Esdeath kills multiple Danger Beasts
Teigu
Demon God's Manifestation: Demon's Extract: Esdeath's Teigu, is integrated within her body as it was the blood of a Danger Beast with the ability to control ice. She is able to use it for a variety of purposes like flash freezing foes to destroy them at the cellular level, firing icicles and boulders made of ice as projectiles, and even freezing time itself.

  • Weissschnabel: The user creates several icicles from thin air and fires them at the user's target with a simple hand gesture.
  • Unnamed Technique: Esdeath creates several rows of icicles similar to Weissschnabel, but the resulting icicles are greater in size, sharpness, and quantity.
  • Grauhor: Esdeath creates a giant horn of ice from thin air to pierce her target.
  • Hagelsprung: Esdeath creates an enormous boulder out of ice and launches it at her opponent to crush them under its weight.
  • Aura: According to Leone Esdeath has a diabolical aura, which is due to the countless massacres carried out. It's pressure is so great that she shows no apparent openings. It is also capable of greatly intimidating opponents and sensing their intent to kill.
  • Ice Armor: Esdeath can create ice around her body to act as makeshift armor to stop sudden attacks. This armor is durable enough to stop Akame's Murasame in its tracks.
  • Ice Entrapment: Esdeath can imprison foes in large ice structures to contain them without killing them if she so desires.
  • Levitation/Flight: By wrapping ice around parts of her body and making those pieces float, Esdeath can levitate in the air. While she is able to maneuver somewhat, she herself admits that it's far from true flight like Mastema's.
  • Ice Tree: With her hand on the ground, Esdeath summons a tree made of ice that fires dozens of ice projectiles from its limbs.
  • Ice Blender: An elongated, pointed poll of ice with many ice thorns sticking out of it. She sends this spinning at her opponents, blending them into a bloody mess.
  • Ice Spire: Touching the ground, Esdeath calls forth a giant spire of ice to pierce her foes, like in her fight with Akame.
  • Larger Ice Projectiles: Virtually the same as her regular projectiles, just larger.
  • Ice Limbs: When she lost an arm and two fingers, she has been shown to replace them with fingers and an arm made of ice that, as she said, works just as well as the original and does not hamper her ability to fight.
  • Ice Wall: Once again by touching the ground, she summons up a circular wall of ice to prevent her prey from escaping.
  • Full Body Ice Armor: Using ice to cover her entire body, she creates a large body armor that completely cuts her off from the outside, though noticeably slowing her down.


  • Weiss Schnabel
  • Esdeath fires icicles
  • Grauhor
  • Hagelsprung
  • Esdeath's Aura
  • Ice Armor
  • Ice Entrapment
  • Levitation/Flight
  • Ice Tree
  • Ice Blender
  • Ice Spire
  • Larger Ice Projectiles
  • Ice Limbs
  • Ice Wall
  • Full Body Ice Armor
Trump Cards

  • Ice Cavalry: Esdeath is able to create an army of golems out of ice that respond to her commands. They're able to simulate foot soldiers, cavalry, and giant Danger Beasts, allowing her to challenge an entire army with them alone. However, she requires a great deal of time to accumulate the necessary energy to generate them in such large numbers. In addition, they require her orders to function at maximum efficiency. Should she be distracted or preoccupied (i.e. by entering battle herself), their reaction speed will slow dramatically, great lowering their combat effectiveness. They are also capable of regenerating themselves from being blown to pieces.


  • Ice Storm Commander-In-Chief: Esdeath is able to focus her mighty power to create a powerful ice storm capable of covering an entire country with ice and snow. Although, she did it relying on the power that she puts into her Ice Cavalry, that took her a few days to create them (Which means that she should be capable of doing it by her own). From what she has said, it replenishes her powers constantly while the storm is active.


  • Mahapadma: Esdeath's ultimate trump card in which she freezes time and space in her vicinity, stopping all motion except for her own. During this time, she is free to attack her foes as she pleases and is also useful for intercepting attacks that she or an ally/objective cannot dodge on their own. However, using this ability drains her stamina more than she would like, and she can only use it once a day.


  • Activating Mahapadma
  • Time is completely froze
  • Stabbing Susanoo while time is stopped.
  • Time resumes...
Ragyo

RagyoKiryuin
La vie est drole! Life is interesting indeed...
Summary
Ragyō Kiryüi (Ú¼╝Ú¥ìÚÖó þ¥àµÜü Kiryüin Ragyō) is the true main antagonist of Kill la Kill. She's the mother of Ryuko Matoi and Satsuki Kiryui. Ragyo is well known for her cruelty and heartlessness throughout the series. Willing to kill, torture and abuse anyone including her own children in order to achieve her goals, or simply because she feels like it. She works together with the Life Fibers in their ambition to end all life on Earth.

Powers and Stats
Tier: At least High 7-A | High 6-A | High 6-A

Name:
Ragyō Kiryüin

Origin: Kill la Kill

Gender: Female

Age: Unknown, at least in her 40s (Was an adult woman 20 years prior to the series)

Classification: Life Fibers Infused Human, Revocs Corporation's CEO, chair of Honnōji Academy's board of directors

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Highly skilled in hand-to-hand combat, Skilled swordsma, Flight, Cloth Manipulation, Life-Fiber Manipulation, Negating Shapeshifting, Regenerationn (High-Mid. Ryuko was stated to have inherited her Regenerationn from Ragyo. Ragyo also absorbed, fused with and became one with Nui in her Shinra Koketsu form), Mind Control (Both towards others and herself. Turned off her humanity, empathy and maternal instincts to more effectively fight in bloodlust), Memory Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation and Morality Manipulation via Mental Refitting, Thread Manipulation, Immortality (Type 3), Energy Projection, Can emit light from her presence, Can create a projection of herself as a means of communication over long distances

Attack Potency: At least Large Mountain level (Casually overpowered True Life Fiber Synchronized Ryuko and Satsuki at the same time. For reference, both Ryuko and Satsuki are capable of singlehandedly defeating the entire Elite Four at once. Each member of the Elite Four can one-shot multiple COVER monsters with the same attack. And a single COVER can stomp people with Mountain level power.), able to negate durability with Mental Refitting (Can instantly rewrite and destroy every facet of one's personality. Replacing their thoughts, emotions and memories with artificial ones of her choosing. This allows her to make people unquestionably obey any command of hers. Including fighting on her behalf or killing themselves. Ragyo's higher forms have this power but to a much greater extent.) | Multi-Continent level (Overpowered Senketsu Kisaragi Ryuko) | Multi-Continent level (Casually overpowered Senketsu Kisaragi Ryuko after Ryuko had grown powerful enough to contend with her previous form)

Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Simultaneously reacted to both Ryuko's and Satsuki's attacks with her eyes closed. Both Ryuko and Satsuki can casually speedblitz Mach 4500+ characters.) | At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely higher (Casually blocked all of Ryuko's attacks) | At least Massively Hypersonic+, likely higher (Was able to outspeed Ryuko with Senketsu Kisaragi)

Lifting Strength: Class M+ (Satsuki could not escape her casual grip) | At least Class T (On par with Ryuko) | At least Class T (Physically stronger than Ryuko)

Striking Strength: Large Mountain Class (Can trade blows with Satsuki and Ryuko with one hand) | Multi-Continent Class (Equal to Ryuko wearing Senketsu Kisaragi) | Multi-Continent Class

Durability:
At least Large Mountain level (Can tank attacks from Ryuko and Satsuki without injury; broke the sharp end of Satsuki's Bakuza with her fist) | Multi-Continent level (Took hits from Ryuko wearing Senketsu Kisaragi) | Multi-Continent level (Regenerationn makes her hard to kill)

Stamina: Very high

Range: Extended melee range with swords, Hundreds of meters with threads, Several kilometers with ranged attacks, Planetary with Absolute Domination (Only works with Life Fibers however)

Standard Equipment: Life Fiber swords, Shinra-Kōketsu

Intelligence: Extremely high (Spent decades researching/experimenting with extraterrestrial beings. Lead one of the largest companies on the planet [a monopoly that accounted for literally 100% of all global apparel sales] Ruled over an entire island. Created sentient life. Also has extensive knowledge on armed and unarmed combat)

Weaknesses: If someone cuts the Banshi threads of Shinra Koketsu, Ragyō becomes more vulnerable to attack. Her Regenerationn can be negated if she is cut from both sides simultaneously.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

Life Fiber Manipulation:


  • Mental Refitting: Ragyo rewrites one's mind to whatever she decides. Being able to instantly destroy and replace their thoughts, emotions and memories with artificial ones of her choosing. Such as giving Ryuko false memories of having a happy childhood with her absent parents and rearranging her personality to make her fall in love with her father's killer. Along with immediately bringing the Honnoji students under her control.
  • Life Fiber Creation: Ragyō is capable of creating various things such as swords and a new pair of arms for Nui with Life Fibers.


Shinra-Kōketsu: Life Fibers Domination: Ragyo's ultimate form which is designed for her by Nui. In order to draw out its full power a second host is required, often at the sacrifice of their life.

  • Absolute Dominatio - Shinra-Koketsu mentally controls other Life Fibers and negates their abilities. Ragyo uses this ability to call forth the Life Fibers and initiate them to undergo the Cocoon Sphere Genesis.
  • Shapeshifting: Ragyo is able to slightly alter her form like Senketsu and Junketsu.
  • Second Form - By removing the last small bit of humanity and morality Ragyo had, she achieved a much more powerful transformation. Ragyo is granted drastically increased abilities and is able to easily overwhelm Ryuko.


Key: Base Form | Life Fiber Dominatio | Domination Second Form

Gallery

Ragyō Kiryüin face (Sketch)
Ragyō Kiryüin body (Sketch)
Ragyō Kiryüin body (Junketsu sketch)
Junketsu Versio
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"lol regen" is not nearly enough reasoning.

i changed to immortality. if Esdeath can find a way 2 counter it then this will a tough battle
 
I mean it kinda is, there's not much Esdeath can do to beat her, even against an opponent who she knew the abilities of Esdeath never lead with Mahaphdama and it leaves her drained, and even if she uses Mahaphdama she cant get through her regen
 
I hope it stays civil. Kill La Kill vs Akame ga Kill has always ended in a shitstorm in the past. I just hope this is different.
 
Mahaphdama doesn't leave Esdeath that drained, the anime greatly over exaggerated that weakness which is non Canon.
 
I've heard that flash freezing can negate up to High-Mid regen. But I am not certain. Weekly, have any of the Kill la Kill characters come back from flash freezing of the entire body?

Also how will Ragyo really hurt Esdeath? Esdeath makes fodder out of a dragon that is much stronger than a 2.955 Gigaton feat. Whereas Ragyo is baseline.
 
@Versus Freezing has shown to not work to negate regen in KLK, they tried to freeze the Primordial Life Fiber to prevent it from regenerating and render it dormant but it regenerated and became active anyways.

Ragyo is baseline casually. Ridiculously casually. Like smile and close your eyes and laugh as two borderline high 7-As are attacking you from both sides, then oneshot them both with casual attacks level casually. And the gap between low end and high end High 7-A isnt even 5x, there's rally no reason for Ragyo to be unable to harm Esdeath here.
 
Freezing depends example Kuzan can freeze people and make them brittle enough to pulverize them. I'm not sure if Esdeath has been shown to be able to do that however.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Versus Freezing has shown to not work to negate regen in KLK, they tried to freeze the Primordial Life Fiber to prevent it from regenerating and render it dormant but it regenerated and became active anyways.
Ragyo is baseline casually. Ridiculously casually. And the gap between low end and high end High 7-A isnt even 5x, there's rally no reason for Ragyo to be unable to harm Esdeath here.
Okay, but was that like instantaneous flash freezing? Or a more gradual freeze?

Going by that logic, Esdeath is borderline 6-C. Since her one shotting Tyrant was also uber casual. Ragiyo is High 7-A from casually overpowering two 7-A+ characters at the same time. Ragiyo is not even in the+ range. So she's still much weaker than Esdeath regardless.
 
According to Esdeath's profile she uses flash freezing to destroy cells, its already been discussed in detail and determined that cellular damage wont negate the regen of KLK characters

Okay? Due to the small size of High 7-A theyre still well within each other's power range. Also Esdeath has no resistance to memory manip, and iirc her mind manip and empathic manip resistance arent enough to resist Ragyo's Mind Stitching
 
Numbers are numbers weekly. Esdeath still one shots with ease. According to the profile, Ragyo doesn't even have a +. So highballing it, she'd be 2.65 gigatons. Witch is borderline+. Esdeath casually fodders a guy much stronger than 2.955 gigatons.

The highest extent of Kill La Kill High-Mid is being ripped to shreds (Senkentsu) And Nui being sliced into hundreds of pieces by Ryuko.

Regenerating from having all your cells destroyed would likely require Low-High regen.

Then there's the issue of stamina. Esdeath can keep going for a very very long time with the Ice storm. How good is Ragyo's stamina?

Exactly how strong if Ragyo's mind and empathic hax? And iirc Ragyo needs physical contact to actually use it.
 
Depends Mid levels of Regenerationn would still allow you to regenerate from atomic levels of destruction. If you get your head atomized you can still regenerate it with only mid levels of Regenerationn. Flash Freezing in this case won't bypass Ragyo's Regenerationn unless Esdeath can pull a Kuzan and pulverize her while she's frozen. Esdeath still has the AP and durability advantage no matter how you look at it, she's able to one shot characters who can one shot 2.955 Gigatons.
 
Ugggghhhh I knew someone was going to do this, this is exactly why I hate KLK matches.

There is absolutely zero reason why Esdeath, someone who would have frozen Akame when given the chance, would not be able to freeze someone who is vastly weaker then her.

And why Regenerationn, which repairs your body from damage, would help you from having your whole body frozen, which does not do any form of damage, would help you break from it makes no sense.
 
Knightofannihilation666 said:
Depends Mid levels of Regenerationn would still allow you to regenerate from atomic levels of destruction. If you get your head atomized you can still regenerate it with only mid levels of Regenerationn. Flash Freezing in this case won't bypass Ragyo's Regenerationn unless Esdeath can pull a Kuzan and pulverize her while she's frozen.
That's not how it works. Regen is not derived from how a part of your body is destroyed. It is derived from how small of a piece of your body you can regenerate from. If your head gets atomized, there's still the rest of your body for your head to regenerate from.
 
@Versus She cant get past Ragyo's Regenerationn so no, she doesnt.

No, Kill La Kill characters Regenerationn works on a cellular level. Esdeath isnt destroying all of he opponent's cells.

Ragyo's stamina is superior to Nui's who was able to go for over a month without resting

She mind controlled several thousand people with a built up resistance to life fiber-based abilities
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Versus She cant get past Ragyo's Regenerationn so no, she doesnt.
No, Kill La Kill characters Regenerationn works on a cellular level. Esdeath isnt destroying all of he opponent's cells.

Ragyo's stamina is superior to Nui's who was able to go for over a month without resting

She mind controlled several thousand people with a built up resistance to life fiber-based abilities
That is Low-High regen. Not something Kill Ls Kill characters have.

Citation Needed.

I'm pretty sure that was only due to the suits they were wearing containing Life Fibers. IIRC Ragyio herself did not send out a bunch of threads to control them.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Gargoyle Ragyo isnt vastly weaker than her
If I casually stomp people twice as strong as you while weakened, I am, by definition, vastly stronger then you
 
@Versus No, there is a difference between cellular Regenerationn and being able to regenerate from a single cell. This has been discussed so many times its not even funny.

From Nui's page because im too lazy to retype it: After working on making Shinra-Koketsu non-stop consecutively for a month she stopped work temporarily to fight Ryuko, immediately went to attack the Naked Sol where she fought the elite four and satsuki, fought Ryuko AGAIN, got her arms cut off and lost copious amounts of blood in the process, immediately went back to working on and finishing Shinra Koketsu, then went immediately after to fight the entirety of Honouji Academy on her own, all without showing signs of exhaustion

No, she did, it had nothing to do with their clothing
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Versus No, there is a difference between cellular regeneratin and being able to regenerate from a single cell.
From Nui's page because im too lazy to retype it: After working on making Shinra-Koketsu non-stop consecutively for a month she stopped work temporarily to fight Ryuko, immediately went to attack the Naked Sol where she fought the elite four and satsuki, fought Ryuko AGAIN, got her arms cut off and lost copious amounts of blood in the process, immediately went back to working on and finishing Shinra Koketsu, then went immediately after to fight the entirety of Honouji Academy on her own, all without showing signs of exhaustion

No, she did, it had nothing to do with their clothing
Kill La Kill regen has only been shown to work on a High-Mid scale, end of story. What you are implying is Low-High regen. Untill we see them regenerate from a puddle of blood, or a single cell, it is High-Mid regen. End of story.

Working on clothes for a month is not remotely the same as fighting for a month.

I'm pretty sure they were wearing clothes that were designed to eat them. Ragyo flipped a switch, and they responded. That is not the same as actually doing so yourself.
 
No, what im implying isnt ANY set level of regen, youre confusing being able to regenerate cells with being able to regenerate FROM a cell. Their regen works on a cellular level just like all Regenerationn, its just immensely faster and can allow them to regenerate from much worse damage. By definition all Regenerationn is cellular.

When did Esdeath fight for a month straight with no rest?

No, she did, it had nothing to do with their clothing. These threads are invisible btw and even people with enhanced senses cant detect them before they reveal themselves.
 
Freezing definitely damages. It doesn't work like how in movies its all nice and pretty, freezing causes cells to burst, organs to rupture, its actually quite gruesome. If its regenable, it's definitely something that would count as damage.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Wok Yes, Ragyo can regenerate from that level of damage with no ill effects
As far as I can tell you're just maing headcanon assumptions. When was it stated that the cells can regenerate after being ruptured and completely destroyed? Let alone almost all of them at once? If all the cells in your body burst, you won't regenerate that. Unless you are Low-High or better.

When did Nui fight for a month straight with no rest? Was that even a month she worked? I don't remember it being that long atm.

In terms of fighting stamina, Nui doesn't compare. Like at all. Esdeath was fighting offf up to a million soliders plus 10 Teigu wielders. And the Ice Storm constantly replenishes her powers.

Neat, individual threads can mindhax one person with an unquantifiable resistance. Can she concentrate hundreds-thousands on one person? Because that's what it would take to mindhax Esdeath here.

And you're comparing the senses of Fodders to someone like Esdeath. Who's aura sense borders on downright precognition.
 
@Versus Do you know how Regenerationn works? All Regenerationn works by regenerating cells unless its specified to work on a lower level, and what damage itself is is damaging and destroying the opponent's body ie. their cells. Regenerationn is the act of restoring destroyed cells. Unless Esdeath has actual power nullification her ice isnt nullifying Regenerationn. And Esdeath's freezing doesnt do what youre describing so claiming that would happen is false. Here is the proof of Life Fibers being able to regenerate after taking damage.

Yes it was a month, there was literally a title screen right that said 'One Month Later' and she was still working on Shinra Koketsu. Now when did Esdeath fight for a month?

Stamina is not measured in the number of people you fight. Like at all. Thats just not how its measured.

Yes, because thats what she did, thats one thread. Esdeath has NEVER resisted mind hax of that level. Show me Esdeath resisting memory hax that rewrite her entire life's memories so the one person she hates the most in the world she sees as a loving mother and the person who murdered her father is seen as her lover.

Really? Youre going to claim that Satsuki, Inumuta, and Uzu's senses are fodder when Uzu's enhanced senses do actually give him precognition?
 
Esdeath's Mind Manip Resistance is nothing to sneeze at. A single sip of the Demon's Extract drove normal people mad in seconds. Esdeath downed the whole jug, which was the size of a human torso if i'm remembering correctly, with only a few seconds of "Whoa, that's some hard shit". As for regen, Ragyo's Mid-High allows her to regen from a peice of her body. If Ragyo's whole body is being frozen at once, that's every cell being ruptured and damaged beyond repair. She would need intact cells in a rather large protion of her body, compairitavly, to regen. I don't see that happening if Esdeath goes for the full-body freeze like she's known to do.
 
And Ragyo's mind manip instantly took control of several thousand people who spent years bulding up a resistance to her powers, and she can rewrite an entire person's life memories instantly. For example, Ragyo experimented on Ryuko as a baby, then literally threw her in the trash when she failed, so her father raised her alone and then when Ragyo found out about it she had Nui kill him, but Ragyo's memory rewriting made Ryuko believe that she'd had a happy and loving relationship with Ragyo for her entire life and that Nui was her lover. And unlike Esdeath, its in character for Ragyo to lead with her mind manip.

Where was it ever demonstrated that Esdeath's freezing automatically ruptures every cell in her target's body? And no actually, as both Ragyo and Ryuko demonstrated, she only needs a single strand to be able to regenerate damage completely, and Life Fibers instantly regenerate as soon as theyre damaged unless they are cut from both sides simultaneously in a scissor motion.
 
That's what freezing does. It's biology. If Ragyo is compleatly frozen, whole body, that freezing would hit every cell at once. Ragyo has no cold resist.
 
No, that's not what freezing does, its fction. Unless Esdeath's freezing has actually shown to do that you cannot argue that it does. And yes she does actually, she should have a resistance comparable to that of the Primordial Life Fiber which shrugged off being frozen solid, as should basically all Life Fiber users.
 
I think the "it's not true unless proven" argument shouldn't really be applicable for real life occurences. I feel like it really invalidates calculations, since the argument "well fictional clouds haven't been proven to work like real life clouds" could be used to argue againts otherwise sound calcs. Just my two cents though.
 
If ice functioned in all of fiction the way it did in real life, water benders from Avatar would be the most lethal people on the planet for being able to freeze people, blood benders in particular as being able to manpulate blood in such away that you literally control someone like a puppet would destroy so many internal organs, the btain and heart in particular, if it didnt just tear their veins and arteries apart by moving so fast. Burden of proof is on you guys to prove that Esdeath's ice actually causes all the cells of a person's body to rupture instantly. Because from what ive seen and what i remember, her freezing doesnt even remotely imply such a thing
 
There is a difference between Freezing and Incasing. To be fair though, I've no way to prove either right now, so I'll concede the point for now. That page you presented implies incasing though.
 
Freezing doesn't need to attack Ragyo's Cell's, Esdeath can encase her in solid ice and keep her as an ice statue if she wished.

But Ragyo mindhaxes so...
 
Esdeath knows about mental refiting here. So there's no reason to assume that she wouldn't cover herself in full body ice armor that Akame, someone who was also much much stronger than Ragiyo was not be able to break through. Unless you can prove that it can negate armor(Witch I doubt) the threads won't get through Esdeath's ice armor.

Even so, Ragyo only leads with like one thread, rather than tons that would be needed to mindhax Esdeath. In that gif, we only see ONE thread entering each person's thread. While Ragyo is very clearly shooting out tons at once. So yeah, only one penetrated one person's head at a time.

In terms of senses. Esdeath>>>>Satsuki. There's no reason to asume she wouldn't sense the threads coming in the first place.

Weekly Nui did not fight for a month. Seriously, stop wanking her stamina. She sat in ONE place for a month and worked on clothes. You're telling me that's better than any fighting stamina feat? I can sit at a desk and work on papers for days non-stop. But there's no way in hell I'll be fighting two days non-stop.

The primordial life fiber was never flash frozen in an instant, only gradually. So that point is moot. As it stands, none of them have cold resist. So you gotta make a CRT if you want it to be so. But the fact that they were able to be frozen in the first place means that cold resistance is unlikely.

If say like 90% or more of Ragyo's cells are ruptured and destroyed, she's not going to have enough for for High-Mid regen to regenerate from. That is just the physics of how flash freezing works. And since Esdeath's AP is much greater than Ragyo's dura. There's no reason Esdeath would dot be able to flash freeze her. Hell, she destroyed Murasame via flash freezing.

You keep reusing arguments that have been debunked repeatedly, just stop.
 
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