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NNT Speed Revision

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So what are the current conclusions here, and should I call for some knowledgeable NNT supporters?
 
Unless Celestial Pegasus still likes NNT, I've already called them.
 
Thank you for helping out. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
 
That doesn't necessarily mean he was blitzed (which Droleane was), just surprised. But I'd say surprising Ludoshel like that does mean 2nd Mark is faster.

give my thanks to speed, btw, this is good support for FTL Mael.
 
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ByAsura said:
That doesn't necessarily mean he was blitzed (which Droleane was), just surprised. But I'd say surprising Ludoshel like that does mean 2nd Mark is faster.

give my thanks to speed, btw, this is good support for FTL Mael.
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Okidoki i’ll tell him
 
It's just a major outlier. Drole has been outsped by 50k Demon Meliodas and Chandler.
 
Wasn't the Meliodas who was in purgatory supposed to have a key?

Which Meliodas does he climb to?
 
He's featless, other than kind of clashing with 50% DK and then getting god stomped by DK when he decided to put in a bit of effort.

It's also implied to be his weakest form in terms of strength.
 
ByAsura said:
He's featless, other than kind of clashing with 50% DK and then getting god stomped by DK when he decided to put in a bit of effort.
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apparently in this form he cannot use his demonic marks.

And no powers that use darkness. (As I recall)
 
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Pekiodas said:
apparently in this form he cannot use his demonic marks.

And no powers that use darkness. (As I recall)
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He could use Trillion Dark and True Magic tho he is weakened in purgatory which means his true self should scale even higher than this version that could damage 50% DK and easily put holes in his body
 
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heres the scan i deleted it cuz for some reason i couldnt get it to open
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Makai641001 said:
He could use Trillion Dark and True Magic tho he is weakened in purgatory which means his true self should scale even higher than this version that could damage 50% DK and easily put holes in his body
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No he shouldn't. That version was a mental realm where strength doesn't matter. Zeldris alone could stomp DK there.
 
Yes, but Meliodas who stomped 50% DK in mental world =/= Purgatory and Post-Purgatory Meliodas.
 
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Thank you.

No he shouldn't. That version was a mental realm where strength doesn't matter. Zeldris alone could stomp DK there.
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That « mental realm » had an effect on the irl DK tho wouldn’t that help ?

Speedster told me to show you this
 
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OneBleachHurricane said:
For Scaling in Statistics that wouldn't be valid. But added justification for Supernatural Will Power or etc., would be easy enough since it was a battle of wills.
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That isn’t really a battle of will for the purgatory part i mean He vaped DK’s arm by awakening his true magic and his emotions are able to fight inside of purgatory He could parry attacks react etc… against DK that even implied that With his true magic Meliodas could harm him

Tho i think it’s fair to assume the Trillion dark part of the fight was just a battle of will where strength didn’t matter
 
What you said:
Makai641001 said:
That isn’t really a battle of will for the purgatory part i mean He vaped DK’s arm by awakening his true magic and his emotions are able to fight inside of purgatory He could parry attacks react etc… against DK that even implied that With his true magic Meliodas could harm him
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What you asked:
Makai641001 said:
That « mental realm » had an effect on the irl DK tho wouldn’t that help ?
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Why are you yapping about Emotion Meliodas when your question was about Meliodas in the Mental Realm?
 
Makai641001 said:
That « mental realm » had an effect on the irl DK tho wouldn’t that help ?
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It just ejected him from Meliodas' body. Zeldris also did that.
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Speedster told me to show you this
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We've gone over this exact argument. Meliodas is so much weaker than Ban, let alone 50% DK and Wild, that there's one-shotting gaps. 90% of the scans there are even Meliodas getting stomped with 0 effort.

Ban says he's nowhere near as powerful as before despite his previous form being pre-revival, and suggests he's weaker than Unsealed Meliodas.
Makai641001 said:
That isn’t really a battle of will for the purgatory part i mean He vaped DK’s arm by awakening his true magic and his emotions are able to fight inside of purgatory He could parry attacks react etc… against DK that even implied that With his true magic Meliodas could harm him
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True Magic really doesn't matter here because it's not base Meliodas. We already scale True Magic above a vague form of DK.
 
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OneBleachHurricane said:
What you said:

What you asked:


Why are you yapping about Emotion Meliodas when your question was about Meliodas in the Mental Realm?
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I was talking about the mental realm in the context of Meliodas stomping 50% DK

and about Purgatory in the context of him being able to fight and vaping his arm
 
That's never stated in-series, and just relies on the assumption (Speedster's I assume) that Meliodas wasn't using that power in DK's hand just because he was flying afterwards. It's shown to be separate from his base form when he transforms, and DK explicitly says he isn't using it in base form during their fight.

Also, if it's combinable with his base form, wouldn't he just stack all of his transformations on top of it and use the level of power needed to shred 50% DK's arm to wreck 100% DK rather than getting his ass kicked?

We've already rejected this in previous threads.
 
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