Nanatsu no Taizai: Upgrade Low 5-B and FTL+

[Makai641001]

I agree with most of the speed scaling but this one particularly is a no. Fusions doesn't automatically apply to speed.

They became much stronger/faster, fusion in nnt is basically the addition of both their stats.

Especially in NNT where it’s linear

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Yeah, she Still cooked Diane, a SIN LEVEL

Who is inferior to Drole.

That’s an assumption you persisted in saying that DK is always serious how can you say thé complete opposite ?

I said that he always attacks with everything; this has no relation whatsoever.

Is There any feat showing that her AP should scale at least close to Dk ?

here

New Holy War TO Escanor can fight against 100% DK
Corand TO can be beaten by a serious AM Meliodas

the New Holy War, Escanor cannot fight against DK at 100%; he struggled to surpass Zeldris' Ominous Nebula.

It doesn't state that he used more energy. Highlight where it was stated that he used more energy than in the fight against Zeldris.

PERHAPS BECAUSE IT WAS A SUDDEN RELEASE OF THE ENERGY HE'D BUILT UP OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS.

All your scans only mention him using stored energy suddenly and his body not being able to handle it. You also need to prove that Escanor didn’t do the same against Zeldris.

I think Merlin saying that he released all the energy he had stored for years is already self-explanatory. He can't, in 2 days, achieve the same energy that took him years to gather, lol.

Our can just mean 2 people also. Also already @Makai641001 pointed out Diana is far inferior to King and Elizabeth nothing puts her attacks on his level.
Mael can just mean our as in his and King attacks.

All of our attacks do not mean just two out of three people, but rather all three.

The same sentence states that as he was reverting back to his old self, he grew stronger than before.

This was not mentioned anywhere in the scan.

So yes he hasn't gotten back to OG Meliodas level at.

This Meliodas never reached the level of the Holy War Meliodas; I've already said that I abandoned this idea.

Sure wherever that scales.

You would know where this would be scaled if you were reading what you're responding.

Elizabeth can seriously injure DK Zel, who is slightly inferior to DK Mel. Indura Derieri and Monspiet, without being fully grown, can resist Elizabeth's light, even though she divided her power between the two. Chimera Indura and Baruja should at least scale up to Derieri and Monspiet, as they are complete Induras. Dalia took a shot at Baruja, and Zeldris could hold his own in a fight with him and destroy his sacred spear.

 

[Majinere566]

That’s Escanor in The One state.

Let's not forget Mael even without being in The one state cooked ON Zeldris. Where TO Escanor needed put some effort.

You mentioned him here, I brought him up casually strolling through the vaccum(Using the character you brought up as a comparison) as a point vs Mael being pulled in.

My original claim was that Mael should be stronger than King. Later, after seeing Makai’s comments, I asked him a few questions, but he didn’t reply.

Which is why we are arguing, you brought up escanor as a way to put him above King which i disagreed with.

But King and the others were also affected by ON. I don’t see how Escanor walking through it is any different when King also bypassed ON without even breaking Zeldris’ sword.

So there's clearly a strength difference if TO Escanor can casually stroll in the same vacuum that King and co are getting sucked in? I don't see why this is a point.

Also when did King bypass ON?

So, are you telling me Escanor’s body doesn’t produce heat?

Even if that weren’t the case, why didn’t Escanor’s sword do any damage?

Clearly not on the same level as Mael's if he's capable of melting Zeldris' sword while Escanor did not accomplish it. Mael's been stated to radiate heat comparable to the sun.

He ditched his sword and used his bre hands and had a better result? why is this a point?

Ignoring the whole point where Mael was talking let his guard down in previous page and Zeldris emotional amp. Even your scans states desperate drive.

Before that he was beating up Zeldris lol

It also states Demon Lord and ON can't block his attacks

Please explain to me how he's not on gaurd while he is looking STRAIGHT at zeldris?

Read your scans, Escanor is clearly stating how Mael was able to stop ON (Which we see it was by melting his sword) and how we saw right after how Helios Flare a magic attack was able to do damage to Zeldris who should be immune to magic due to the Demon Lord's powers.

You are literally asserting that Mael gave Escanor the Grace so he could beat down the Demon King.

So, you’re claiming that Mael gave it to him because Escanor had a chance, which was never stated in the series so far.

????? Bro what? I am literally telling it as the story did, albeit in my own way of sumarizing stuff? This is not me MAKING A CLAIM that Mael gave Escanor the Grace SO he could beat up The DK like Mael was confident he could do that, I said Mael gave him the grace and Escanor proceeds to put the beats on him.

Also mind you, you replied to my comments I made after i told you previously to show me where I asserted this
"He literally didn't want to give Escanor Sunshine because Escanor's body couldn't handle it. He also never stated that Escanor could beat the Demon King."



Anyways, circling back to your original claim of Mael being stronger than King, which i wholeheartedly disagree with, You are insanley reaching using Escanor as a means to get mael above the likes of King when He himself states "Fighting the Demon Lord is another story" Mael didn't even phase a weaker version of the Demon King with Sunshine which is the reason why he states that he possibly cannot put up a fight against the Demon Lord. Again all this is backed up later on by Mael's comments him calling The Demon King menacing and it is no place for an archangel like him to be. Which again put's King above him even excluding feats like King damaging The Demon King

 

[Demon_Lord18]

So, are you telling me Escanor’s body doesn’t produce heat?

Even if that weren’t the case, why didn’t Escanor’s sword do any damage?

It can, he passively melted the vampires' castle.

Because it stopped at the Ominous Nebula. Unlike Mael, who broke Zeldris's concentration by melting his sword, causing the technique to stop. Escanor, when he hit Zeldris, knocked him out.

Ignoring the whole point where Mael was talking let his guard down in previous page and Zeldris emotional amp. Even your scans states desperate drive.

Before that he was beating up Zeldris lol

The guy took just one scan and is saying that Mael was beating Zeldris, lol. The fight was extremely balanced, and Mael only injured Zeldris when he used a technique that bypassed Zeldris's defense and when Merlin diverted his attention from the fight.

It also states Demon Lord and ON can't block his attacks

That is false, since the Ominous Nebula is physical darkness, and Mael could never get through it. The only way is by undoing it, diverting Zeldris's attention, or using force, as Escanor did. And Mael definitely did not use force. "God" cancels magic, and Mael was not using magic, so obviously, it could not be canceled.

You are literally asserting that Mael gave Escanor the Grace so he could beat down the Demon King.

So, you’re claiming that Mael gave it to him because Escanor had a chance, which was never stated in the series so far.

Also one who is really strawman arguments are with you.
I said both should be in same level not that one is superior to others.

Feats and statements show that it is impossible for them to be equal in power.

Mael says he cannot fight the Demon King (that was his first form).
Escanor constantly damages a Demon King superior to the one Mael says he cannot face.
Mael also says that that battlefield was no longer for an Archangel like him.

I said Mael should have better physicals to handle Sunshine. Hence, he should be able to put up a similar level of fight against the Demon King if he wanted.

This has no basis.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

You mentioned him here, I brought him up casually strolling through the vaccum(Using the character you brought up as a comparison) as a point vs Mael being pulled in.

He was probably trying to refer to that, which makes even less sense.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

PERHAPS BECAUSE IT WAS A SUDDEN RELEASE OF THE ENERGY HE'D BUILT UP OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS.

I think Merlin saying that he released all the energy he had stored for years is already self-explanatory. He can't, in 2 days, achieve the same energy that took him years to gather, lol.

Correct me if I am wrong.
He stores the energy in his hax, and his use of The One came from Midday Sun energy. How are these two things related?

All of our attacks do not mean just two out of three people, but rather all three.

As I already said I'll leave it to Staff to decide.

This was not mentioned anywhere in the scan.

Appeal to ignorance "He is reverting into the Old Meliodas" "He grown stronger than ever before ".

This Meliodas never reached the level of the Holy War Meliodas; I've already said that I abandoned this idea.

You would know where this would be scaled if you were reading what you're responding.

Gonna be real, I don’t understand that scaling chain, so I can’t say much. I only disagree with Gowther and Diane scaling to the Demon King.

I’m just focusing on Behemoth and Demon King related scaling, not going any deeper into it.

It can, he passively melted the vampires' castle.

Because it stopped at the Ominous Nebula. Unlike Mael, who broke Zeldris's concentration by melting his sword, causing the technique to stop. Escanor, when he hit Zeldris, knocked him out.

Again, why wouldn’t Escanor melt the sword?

Also, I hope you don’t misunderstand my argument and start claiming that I’m saying Mael scales above Escanor. All I’m saying is that they should be around the same level.

The guy took just one scan and is saying that Mael was beating Zeldris, lol. The fight was extremely balanced, and Mael only injured Zeldris when he used a technique that bypassed Zeldris's defense and when Merlin diverted his attention from the fight.

Nowhere except the last scan does Merlin appear. I don’t know where you got the idea that she diverted him during their clash (which happens before that)

Mael made Zeldris’s sword melt and damaged him with a fire fist. If you think I’m being dishonest, feel free to report me. Otherwise, share the scans—if not, I’ll take it as you being dishonest.

That is false, since the Ominous Nebula is physical darkness, and Mael could never get through it. The only way is by undoing it, diverting Zeldris's attention, or using force, as Escanor did. And Mael definitely did not use force. "God" cancels magic, and Mael was not using magic, so obviously, it could not be canceled.

Scan literally states Demon Lord and ON can't stop his attacks. So don't know what you are even trying to say.

Feats and statements show that it is impossible for them to be equal in power.

Agree to disagree. If you disagree with my interpretations sure. Just let the staff decide who is right.

Mael says he cannot fight the Demon King (that was his first form).

Mael never said he can't face his first form. Where is the scan?

Escanor constantly damages a Demon King superior to the one Mael says he cannot face.

Scan for Mael specifying he can't face first form of DK?

Mael also says that that battlefield was no longer for an Archangel like him.

He gave the Sunshine to Escanor ofcourse he can't do anything without it against DK.

This has no basis.

Take a wooden stick and a steel sword, for example—if both are enhanced by magic at the same level, which one do you think would be stronger?
I can't explain it any better than this.

Anyway, I'm done with the Mael discussion. If you guys disagree with my scaling, that's fine—I don't really care. If I ever get interested in the verse again, I'll make a separate thread.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You mentioned him here, I brought him up casually strolling through the vaccum(Using the character you brought up as a comparison) as a point vs Mael being pulled in.
Which is why we are arguing, you brought up escanor as a way to put him above King which i disagreed with.

Sure you can disagree with my interpretations. I'll just disagree with yours interpretations for the reasons I mentioned. Let staff evaluate that. If I'm down voted by staffs sure.

So there's clearly a strength difference if TO Escanor can casually stroll in the same vacuum that King and co are getting sucked in? I don't see why this is a point.

You know The One Escanor got scratches from same sword right?

Also when did King bypass ON?

Clearly not on the same level as Mael's if he's capable of melting Zeldris' sword while Escanor did not accomplish it. Mael's been stated to radiate heat comparable to the sun.

Scan is not working

He ditched his sword and used his bre hands and had a better result? why is this a point?

When I said sword I was referring to the Chop.

Please explain to me how he's not on gaurd while he is looking STRAIGHT at zeldris?

Escanor and others were also on guard so what?

Read your scans, Escanor is clearly stating how Mael was able to stop ON (Which we see it was by melting his sword) and how we saw right after how Helios Flare a magic attack was able to do damage to Zeldris who should be immune to magic due to the Demon Lord's powers.

Ok?

????? Bro what? I am literally telling it as the story did, albeit in my own way of sumarizing stuff? This is not me MAKING A CLAIM that Mael gave Escanor the Grace SO he could beat up The DK like Mael was confident he could do that, I said Mael gave him the grace and Escanor proceeds to put the beats on him.

Yeah that's your interpretation* not literal fact. So others can have different interpretations.

Also mind you, you replied to my comments I made after i told you previously to show me where I asserted this
"He literally didn't want to give Escanor Sunshine because Escanor's body couldn't handle it. He also never stated that Escanor could beat the Demon King."

I already explained it why your replies made it look like it.

Anyways, circling back to your original claim of Mael being stronger than King, which i wholeheartedly disagree with, You are insanley reaching using Escanor as a means to get mael above the likes of King when He himself states "Fighting the Demon Lord is another story" Mael didn't even phase a weaker version of the Demon King with Sunshine which is the reason why he states that he possibly cannot put up a fight against the Demon Lord.

What bruh?
It's clearly mentioned Meliodas is superior to Zeldris and Even DK commented how good his vessel was. How you are interpreting it's a weaker version of DK?

Again all this is backed up later on by Mael's comments him calling The Demon King menacing and it is no place for an archangel like him to be. Which again put's King above him even excluding feats like King damaging The Demon King

He doesn't have Sunshine at that point and even Escanor only match against DK when he is in The One state. So what this has anything to with what I said.

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Anyway, I'm done with the Mael discussion. If you guys disagree with my scaling, that's fine—I don't really care. If I ever get interested in the verse again, I'll make a separate thread.

 

[karo_senpaii]

They became much stronger/faster, fusion in nnt is basically the addition of both their stats.

Especially in NNT where it’s linear

it doesn't matter. Literally had a fusion of 2 people with exact ap and speed and it got so much faster and stronger. Stil got rejected for speed. You need a direct statement

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Correct me if I am wrong.
He stores the energy in his hax, and his use of The One came from Midday Sun energy.

Merlin never explained how she stored that energy; it was only said that she used it against Meliodas.

Appeal to ignorance "He is reverting into the Old Meliodas" "He grown stronger than ever before ".

This is not an appeal to ignorance; you don't even know what you're doing. I'm starting to think you are acting in bad faith. I literally sent a scan of Merlin saying that Meliodas lost his emotions, and you claim: 'The same sentence states that, as he reverted to his former self, he became stronger than before.' However, this is false; she did not say that in the scan.
You can see the message below

Dude... Even before the fight started, Merlin said that he had lost his emotions.

The same sentence states that as he was reverting back to his old self, he grew stronger than before.

Again, why wouldn’t Escanor melt the sword?

Nakaba is the reason. Mael himself did not melt Belion's sword, and Escanor, using something similar, melted Ludociel's sword.

Nowhere except the last scan does Merlin appear. I don’t know where you got the idea that she diverted him during their clash (which happens before that)

Mael made Zeldris’s sword melt and damaged him with a fire fist. Otherwise, share the scans—if not, I’ll take it as you being dishonest.

False. Merlin appears twice in the scans I sent, and the second time, she distracts Zeldris, causing him to look away. Mael attacks him off guard, and then Zeldris cuts him in half. After Mael melts Zeldris's sword, there's a long clash before he uses Helios Fair on Zeldris. He landed another attack while Zeldris was still recovering from the Helios Fair. Either you didn’t check the scans or you're acting in bad faith.

Mael never said he can't face his first form. Where is the scan?
Scan for Mael specifying he can't face first form of DK?

The Demon King was in his first form when he said that. Did you even read the manga?

He gave the Sunshine to Escanor ofcourse he can't do anything without it against DK

Even with his grace, he couldn't do anything.

Take a wooden stick and a steel sword, for example—if both are enhanced by magic at the same level, which one do you think would be stronger?
I can't explain it any better than this.

That would make sense if the 'wooden stick' didn’t have better feats and references that place it above the 'steel sword'. lol

You know The One Escanor got scratches from same sword right?

Zeldris never hit The One with his sword; it was his darkness that did so, the same darkness that made Ludociel fear for Mael's safety, whom he knows very well.

Zeldris did not use Ominous Nebula here.

Escanor and others were also on guard so what?

What kind of argument was that? Escanor never got blitzed by Zeldris at any moment (only when he activated Ominous Nebula).

What bruh?
It's clearly mentioned Meliodas is superior to Zeldris and Even DK commented how good his vessel was. How you are interpreting it's a weaker version of DK?

Hey? Demon King Zeldris Full Power is superior to Demon King Meliodas.

He doesn't have Sunshine at that point and even Escanor only match against DK when he is in The One state. So what this has anything to with what I said.

You must be reading a parallel manga. Escanor, before The One, stopped the Demon King's sword with his bare hands, pierced his torso from one side to the other, and slashed him. lol, there is no basis for Mael scaling to this Escanor.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Well, this topic doesn't really affect the CRT at all, so I won't continue with it.

 

[Makai641001]

Merlin never explained how she stored that energy; it was only said that she used it against Meliodas.

Just to be clear do you agree on Corand arc The One being weaker than EOS The One ?

If so there is no reason for me to argue.

This is not an appeal to ignorance; you don't even know what you're doing. I'm starting to think you are acting in bad faith. I literally sent a scan of Merlin saying that Meliodas lost his emotions, and you claim: 'The same sentence states that, as he reverted to his former self, he became stronger than before.' However, this is false; she did not say that in the scan.
You can see the message below

Basically his emotions were stolen and he was slowly becoming stronger and stronger so Yeah no need to argue there.

You even said that you agreed about this Meli being weaker than his OG self so let’s drop this

Nakaba is the reason. Mael himself did not melt Belion's sword, and Escanor, using something similar, melted Ludociel's sword.

I agree with this

False. Merlin appears twice in the scans I sent, and the second time, she distracts Zeldris, causing him to look away. Mael attacks him off guard, and then Zeldris cuts him in half. After Mael melts Zeldris's sword, there's a long clash before he uses Helios Fair on Zeldris. He landed another attack while Zeldris was still recovering from the Helios Fair. Either you didn’t check the scans or you're acting in bad faith.

Zeldris in DM1 was already tied with Estarossa and considered as one of the strongest commandment (Although a little bit weaker physically)

It’s not really this hard to consider that with DM2 at night + GOD he would be able to compete with Mael.

The Demon King was in his first form when he said that. Did you even read the manga?

Basically Ludociel too stated that It was too much for them.

Even with his grace, he couldn't do anything.

Yeah Mael pretty much admits and to reinforce this idea he stated the same against 50% Supreme Deity a being that he knows even more

That would make sense if the 'wooden stick' didn’t have better feats and references that place it above the 'steel sword'. lol

I think that the « wooden stick » here is Escanor night body.
The steel sword is Mael night body.

Mael has better basis as a grace user his body is Made for it but Escanor has better feats by far maybe cause he was considered the true master of the Sun and got Mael's approval in using it.

Zeldris did not use Ominous Nebula here.

What kind of argument was that? Escanor never got blitzed by Zeldris at any moment (only when he activated Ominous Nebula).

Hey? Demon King Zeldris Full Power is superior to Demon King Meliodas.

In fact DK Zel in his first form is only a bit inferior according to DK himself

You must be reading a parallel manga. Escanor, before The One, stopped the Demon King's sword with his bare hands, pierced his torso from one side to the other, and slashed him. lol, there is no basis for Mael scaling to this Escanor.

The powercreep is pretty crazy btw

I just wanted to add this about the Mael/King thing.

King basically cooked Mael + commandments in 1v1

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Just to be clear do you agree on Corand arc The One being weaker than EOS The One ?

Yeah

Just to be clear, do you think the commandments should scale to the Small Country/Large Island level?

 

[Makai641001]

Yeah

Just to be clear, do you think the commandments should scale to the Small Country/Large Island level?

No not that low

 

[Demon_Lord18]

No not that low

So we just wasted our time.

Well, the second-strongest commandment would scale 'only' to Moon+. I noticed you have issues with Tristan's scaling. I think I came up with an idea to solve this, although it downgrades AM Meliodas. Meliodas couldn't destroy the Cocoon, not due to a lack of strength, but because his darkness-based attacks would be ineffective (as you mentioned). Escanor at dawn (he is weaker than Post-Revival Meliodas) could easily destroy the Cocoon, proving that it really wasn't due to a lack of strength. So, I think we should abandon that and scale Tristan slightly below Chaos Galand, since Chaos Galand made Tristan have to flee from his attacks. He shouldn't scale that high.

Chaos Galand>Tristan=Gawain

 

[Makai641001]

So we just wasted our time.

Well, the second-strongest commandment would scale 'only' to Moon+. I noticed you have issues with Tristan's scaling. I think I came up with an idea to solve this, although it downgrades AM Meliodas. Meliodas couldn't destroy the Cocoon, not due to a lack of strength, but because his darkness-based attacks would be ineffective (as you mentioned). Escanor at dawn (he is weaker than Post-Revival Meliodas) could easily destroy the Cocoon, proving that it really wasn't due to a lack of strength. So, I think we should abandon that and scale Tristan slightly below Chaos Galand, since Chaos Galand made Tristan have to flee from his attacks. He shouldn't scale that high.

Chaos Galand>Tristan=Gawain

Yeah that’s fine

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Start​

This became very confusing, so I'll make a summary of why we should use the current scale, but with some modifications. I'm not trying to make all the commandments the same as the Demon King 50%; this is just to show that our old scale still works, just to make it clear.

Downgrading AM and some other characters​

AM Meliodas should no longer derive his scaling from Tristan and should now remain as Far higher, since: Meliodas couldn't destroy the Cocoon, not due to a lack of strength, but because his darkness-based attacks would be ineffective. Escanor at dawn (he is weaker than Post-Revival Meliodas) could easily destroy the Cocoon, proving that it really wasn't due to a lack of strength. So, I think we should abandon that and scale Tristan slightly below Chaos Galand, since Chaos Galand made Tristan have to flee from his attacks. He shouldn't scale that high.

We strangely scaled Zeldris to AM Meliodas for fighting equally against Ludociel in Margaret's body; however, in my opinion, this is wrong, and they should be inferior to him.

The First Mark Zeldris with "God" and his Commandment was completely dominated by AM Meliodas while he was holding back. Zeldris, after losing his Commandment, had a balanced clash against Ludociel in Margaret's body. Therefore, both should be inferior to AM.

Perhaps someone disagrees, but Zeldris should not have a CBL key. In Zeldris's profile, it is said that he is equal to Meliodas, which is blatantly wrong. Zeldris, with his strength amplified 10 times, could not scratch Dahlia's Armor, while Meliodas, with his bare hands, destroyed the armor and knocked Dahlia out. Most of the energy used to break the divinity barrier and kill her came from Meliodas. Zeldris should not be equated with him, although ON should scale much higher than Zeldris.

Feats​

Elizabeth can seriously injure DK Zel, who is slightly inferior to DK Mel. Indura Derieri and Monspiet, without being fully grown, can resist Elizabeth's light, even though she divided her power between the two. Chimera Indura and Baruja should at least scale up to Derieri and Monspiet, as they are complete Induras. Dalia took a shot at Baruja, and Zeldris could hold his own in a fight with him and destroy his sacred spear. Cusack is said to be equal to Zeldris (Zeldris, at the time, had a Commandment and "God"), so he and Chandler scale at least to the current Zeldris. Diane could injure Chandler's base form, and King could match him in a power struggle, pierce a hole in his stomach, and constantly injure him. King and Diane are comparable to Gloxinia and Drole.

We have a few other things in the OP (the Databook citation was discarded). Makai said that DK should be 5 times stronger for enduring his 5 reflected attacks, and an amd agreed, so I include this in the scale below. I think this is enough, and I don't have much time.

Gelda resisted Dahlia's assassin fairy, which left Demon Zeldris unconscious for a while. At night, the power of vampires doubles.

Dahlia's armor can easily withstand Zeldris' attack amplified by 10 times and can knock him out with the Assassin Fairy.

The Supreme Deity can resist Meliodas and Zeldris' attacks with their weapons imbued with darkness using her barrier, as dark magic is of the destructive type, amplifying by 10 times.

The Supreme Deity says that Meliodas could defeat her if he still had the power that surpasses the Demon King, which would place him above the resistance of her barrier. Demon King Meliodas is said to be approaching the power of Mama Hawk, who had power of Chaos sealed within her body.
In the 4KoA fanbook it is stated that Melidoas has not weakened, even after losing his Demon King form. Base Meliodas could block a Chaos attack without much difficulty. He also said that he should have separated Chaos from Arthur 16 years ago

Scaler​

Unsealed Mel = 46.08 Exatons

King, Derieri, Estarossa, Base Post-Revival Meliodas and co = 189.228 Exatons

Tarmiel/Sariel = 374.817 Exatons

Demon Tristan, Enchantment Pericval and Melagaland: 460 Exatons

Demon Mark Post-Revival Meliodas, Dahlia, Gelda, Zeldris "God", ludociel and co = 756.915 Exatons

True Body Ludo, OG Demon, Demon Mark Zeldris, Mael = 1.513 Zettatons

Durability of Demon King Zeldris' first form: At least 7.5 Zettatons

Meliodas: At least 7.5 Zettatons, 30 Zettatons with Demon Marks, 300 Zettatons with Enchantments

50% DK and 50% Supreme Deity: At least 30 Zettatons

50% Supreme Deity Durability: At least 30 Zettatons. At least 300 Zettatons Durability with Barriers

100% DK Zeldris and 100% Supreme Deity: At least 60 Zettatons

DK Britannia: 150 Zettatons

Demon King Meliodas: At Least 300 Zettatons (This is the form that is currently listed as "True Magic Form" in Meliodas's profile. It should be changed to "Demon King Meliodas," as this is how it is referred to in official sources)

Mama Hawk: At Least 300 Zettatons

Tyrant Killing: At least 315 Zettatons

Meliodas 4KoA: At least 75 Zettatons, 300 Zettatons with Demon Marks, 3 Yottatons with Enchantments

The Final Combo: 614.4 Yottatons

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Merlin never explained how she stored that energy; it was only said that she used it against Meliodas.

This is not an appeal to ignorance; you don't even know what you're doing. I'm starting to think you are acting in bad faith. I literally sent a scan of Merlin saying that Meliodas lost his emotions, and you claim: 'The same sentence states that, as he reverted to his former self, he became stronger than before.' However, this is false; she did not say that in the scan.
You can see the message below

I was referring to this scan. It exists right under the message you quoted. Maybe a misunderstanding. Whatever.

The same sentence states that as he was reverting back to his old self, he grew stronger than before.

Merlin states he is reverting back meaning he hasn't reverted to his old self yet.

 

[Makai641001]

Start​

This became very confusing, so I'll make a summary of why we should use the current scale, but with some modifications. I'm not trying to make all the commandments the same as the Demon King 50%; this is just to show that our old scale still works, just to make it clear.

Downgrading AM and some other characters​

AM Meliodas should no longer derive his scaling from Tristan and should now remain as Far higher, since: Meliodas couldn't destroy the Cocoon, not due to a lack of strength, but because his darkness-based attacks would be ineffective. Escanor at dawn (he is weaker than Post-Revival Meliodas) could easily destroy the Cocoon, proving that it really wasn't due to a lack of strength. So, I think we should abandon that and scale Tristan slightly below Chaos Galand, since Chaos Galand made Tristan have to flee from his attacks. He shouldn't scale that high.

We strangely scaled Zeldris to AM Meliodas for fighting equally against Ludociel in Margaret's body; however, in my opinion, this is wrong, and they should be inferior to him.

The First Mark Zeldris with "God" and his Commandment was completely dominated by AM Meliodas while he was holding back. Zeldris, after losing his Commandment, had a balanced clash against Ludociel in Margaret's body. Therefore, both should be inferior to AM. Where would they scale? Simple: Zeldris is said to be capable of escaping Melascula's Cocoon while he has "God". Thus, in his First Mark, he scales above Demon Mark Post-Revival Meliodas.

Perhaps someone disagrees, but Zeldris should not have a CBL key. In Zeldris's profile, it is said that he is equal to Meliodas, which is blatantly wrong. Zeldris, with his strength amplified 10 times, could not scratch Dahlia's Armor, while Meliodas, with his bare hands, destroyed the armor and knocked Dahlia out. Most of the energy used to break the divinity barrier and kill her came from Meliodas. Zeldris should not be equated with him, although ON should scale much higher than Zeldris.

I think it’s more of a question of matchup Dubs have a very good matchup against meli and cooked him while Dahlia cooked Zel.

They later went serious mode DM2 etc… and exchanged their matchup stomping them in the process.

Zeldris seemingly had his magic awakening going from an immobile ON to being able to use It while moving and with a range increase.

He should be stronger than His NNT key imo he even restrained and damaged 50% SD Using his darkness

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I think it’s more of a question of matchup Dubs have a very good matchup against meli and cooked him while Dahlia cooked Zel.

Dabuzu made Meliodas face his own clones. He was only able to stop Meliodas because he created his sacred treasure; otherwise, he wouldn't stand a chance.

Zeldris seemingly had his magic awakening going from an immobile ON to being able to use It while moving and with a range increase.

He should be stronger than His NNT key imo he even restrained and damaged 50% SD Using his darkness

I can't access the movie at the moment, but didn't he damage her with ON? If so, he has been able to damage characters stronger than him since Nanatsu no Taizai with ON.

 

[Makai641001]

Dabuzu made Meliodas face his own clones. He was only able to stop Meliodas because he created his sacred treasure; otherwise, he wouldn't stand a chance.

Yeah

I can't access the movie at the moment, but didn't he damage her with ON?

His darkness were strong enough to resist her light and restrain her

If so, he has been able to damage characters stronger than him since Nanatsu no Taizai with ON.

I don’t remember him using ON against her

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bump

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bump

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bump

 

[Makai641001]

Didn’t we get enough Agreements ?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Didn’t we get enough Agreements ?

We used to have it, but the scale was changed and they would need to give their opinion about the current scale. I hardly think they will come back here. Nine days ago, I went to the staff wall who agreed, asking their opinion about the new scale, but I didn’t get a response. Vvzear disagreed about the speed but didn’t give their opinion on the AP scale. LephyrTheRevanchist and Nierrer haven’t commented yet and probably won’t, since the CRT has 4 pages of pure nothing. Maybe they’ll lose interest halfway through. I think this will have to wait until later.

 

[Reiner04]

Looks fine to me.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bump

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Same thoughts as Makai

I was asked to comment here. Im not familiar with NNT but the OP looks ok.

What is your opinion about the current scale?

Non existent multiplier. Made up.

I see.

Do you disagree with the speed and agree with the rest of the CRT, or do you not have an opinion about the rest?

Not sure if this is relevant, but Fusions can be accepted as multiplying two equal beings power, as we do that for Fused Momoshiki in Boruto, so if there's logical reasoning to assume that the fusion is at least 2x then it's good to go.

As regards to this thread, I'll have to look through this in the (not-so) distant future

For the purposes of listing this on the profiles, have the translations been properly verified on site?

Can I get your opinion here?

 

[Robo432343]

W
agree

 

[Demon_Lord18]

bump

 

[Makai641001]

bump

I think we can keep the votes of Oblivion and Darkdragonmedeus, they agreed with the previous scaling and the adjustments we made are conservative ends i doubt they’d disagree with lower ends for a few characters.

If we were upgrading everybody for no reason i would see why they’d have to vote again but i think it’s fair to assume that they kept the same thoughts

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I think we can keep the votes of Oblivion and Darkdragonmedeus, they agreed with the previous scaling and the adjustments we made are conservative ends i doubt they’d disagree with lower ends for a few characters.

If we were upgrading everybody for no reason i would see why they’d have to vote again but i think it’s fair to assume that they kept the same thoughts

Make sense