NNT AP Revision

[Majinere566]

Okay since we're dropping the CBL enchantment scaling is there anything you have in mind or it's still relatively the same?

 

[ByAsura]

relatively the same.

 

[Majinere566]

How's the progress on the Helbram stuff?

 

[ByAsura]

Like 75% done. I'm finishing off the rest rn since it's the weekend.

 

[Sus]

Stopped getting notifs

 

[Makai641001]

Gonna be honest here, the Dawn Roar and Dale's profiles are kind of shit.

- Let's go over Hugo and Jillian first.

Was uninjured after taking an attack from unarmed Sealed Base Meliodas

What they really did was take Meliodas bouncing between them. It wasn't at all a dedicated blow. Hugo can hardly take hits from even suppressed King, and got his arm lopped off by Simon.

- Now for Weinheidt.

Should be comparable to his fellow Dawn Roar members

That's entirely speculation. Weinheidt literally does/has nothing to suggest he's on par with any of the other members physically, especially since there isn't some general level to begin with.

- Simon

Along with Slader, killed a Copper Demon, among with other lesser demons

Unlike with Jericho's ice powers, it's literally impossible to tell who actually killed the Demons here (it may have even been an amped Knight). Plus, we don't even know how strong Simon really was at that point, especially since half of Liones' Holy Knights were amped by Cheat Hope to the point where Deathpierce (someone with a 540 physical strength) and Waillo (840) could harm Copper Demons, while unnamed characters could content with lesser demons.

- Dale

Has a far higher overall power level than Dogedo, nearly equal to Guila

That's just his overall power level. We don't know the individual categories.

Took attacks from Dawn Roar, including Slader, who could defeat his first unsealed form, and was ready to keep fighting without issue

First off, this is just massive amounts of circular scaling with all the other characters.

Secondly, Dale objectively couldn't withstand any hits from Slader. The profiles even mention that the rest of the Dawn Roar, who were weaker than Slader, could harm him extensively.

The fact that Weinheidt's arrow, which was easily caught by a 500 physical strength Gowther, was going to kill Dale should show the gap between these characters and Slader's 930 strength.

Should be comparable to his own durability

Aside from maybe threatening Slader, he's done nothing to prove that.

I'm thinking of completely revising Dale and just deleting the non-Slader Dawn Roars. If not, we should seriously look into how durable Gowther's armour is.

I don’t remember ALL their appearances that much and you make sense here so i’m neutral leaning heavily towards agreeing

 

[ByAsura]

Does Vivian have any actual durability feats?

 

[Zezu1995]

um doubt it, shes always teleporting away from fights and attacking afar

 

[Makai641001]

Does Vivian have any actual durability feats?

No nothing at all

i have a question, if a character send an attack and the explosion hurt some dudes

imagine A dude sending the attack

B dude has a 10 gigatons durability
C dude has a 10 gigatons durability

The explosion take out Both and almost kill them

Is the entire yield of the attack 20 gigatons for being able to harm both in one shot ?
Cause IIRC we divide the potency of an attack depending on the distance of the explosion

(Escanor vs AM Mel exemple you said that we don’t scale them to the entirety of the FC’d cruel sun cause they only took a bit of the attack)

So would the attack be at least 20 gigatons since it’s explosion could output enough energy to harm 2 10 gigatons dudes at the same Time ?

 

[ByAsura]

If it's an explosion, I'd say yes.

 

[Makai641001]

If it's an explosion, I'd say yes.

Okay thanks

We know that the explosion of the Cruel Sun almost killed Both Drôle And Gloxinia so would fake sun Escanor scale to Both individual values ?

(Idek if it will be an upgrade)

 

[ByAsura]

That attack already scales to Estarossa, so they downscale physically.

As for the attack itself, it wasn't fake sun Escanor as such, more the stored energy within Rhitta that he also uses to transform at night. Fake sun boy > Galand.

 

[Sus]

Drole took it and was able to fight after
Gloxinia would've died if he hadn't healed

I don't think he should scale

 

[Makai641001]

Drole took it and was able to fight after
Gloxinia would've died if he hadn't healed

I don't think he should scale

He survived and had still enough strength to use a very demanding magic (idk if « demanding » even exist)

 

[Makai641001]

That attack already scales to Estarossa, so they downscale physically.

As for the attack itself, it wasn't fake sun Escanor as such, more the stored energy within Rhitta that he also uses to transform at night. Fake sun boy > Galand.

Yeah i completely forgot the fact that he used Rhitta

 

[Sus]

He survived and had still enough strength to use a very demanding magic (idk if « demanding » even exist)

We can use an at most for him

 

[ByAsura]

We can use an at most for him

Gloxinia and Drole are both a tier and a + lower (Estarossa is Small Country+, while they're Large Island).

 

[Sus]

Gloxinia and Drole are both a tier and a + lower (Estarossa is Small Country+, while they're Large Island).

You said we scale their durability to Estarossa

 

[ByAsura]

I said they'd downscale physically. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[ByAsura]

Does anyone have the quote where Vivian = Holy Knight captain, or is it just this?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Gloxinia and Drole are both a tier and a + lower (Estarossa is Small Country+, while they're Large Island).

Where does High 6-C come from?

 

[Majinere566]

Downscaling

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Mael's cloud dispersion feat is around small country level (1 teratons thereabouts).

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Downscaling

This doesn't make any sense

Mael's cloud dispersion feat is around small country level (1 teratons thereabouts).

Nah, its way higher. But the feat is useless with the new scaling

 

[Majinere566]

This doesn't make any sense

?

You don't know what downscaling is

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

?

You don't know what downscaling is

Estarossa is more than 5 times the maximum value (5.1 Tera) of High 6-C+ (1 Tera). Where are we getting the High 6-C value from (Thats it, less that 0.55 Tera)? Just as we cannot assume random multipliers for upscaling, we cannot use random dividers for downscaling

EDIT: Okay, now I understand. It's confusing as ****, but I get it

 

[Makai641001]

How Is everything going Here ?

 

[ByAsura]

almost done. I've just been busy with work.

 

[Makai641001]

almost done. I've just been busy with work.

Okay don’t overexert yourself

 

[Makai641001]

almost done. I've just been busy with work.

Do you think we can use 7DS Grand Cross for the cosmology ?
The game gives Is the possibility to move and kind of visit the maps like purgatory etc… maybe we’ll find starry skies etc…

The game has some canon informations and follow the lore it’s directed by Nakaba that even draw skins and bosses but i don’t think it can be considered as canon

 

[ByAsura]

Doesn't it have areas that don't exist within 7DS continuity?

 

[Makai641001]

Doesn't it have areas that don't exist within 7DS continuity?

Yeah for some
But these are alternate stories like Ragnarok isn’t at ALL related to NNT main storyline

 

[ByAsura]

Still seems a bit too questionable until further notice.

 

[Majinere566]

How's the progress

 

[ByAsura]

finishing off the remainder as we speak.

 

[Majinere566]

Okay nice to hear about that.

This has been out for months we should've been wrapped up

 

[ByAsura]

One more character, and then we're pretty much done.

 

[ByAsura]

Last one is about Hawk.

Hawk's feat of knocking down the door actually injured him.

This lead me to look into the feats of durability he has.

• In chapter 1, the debris from Twigo's shockwave injures him.
• In chapter 5/6, he's presented as less durable than even Elizabeth, and casually gets wrecked by Gil.
• In chapter 157, a baby Sand Crawler harms him before he eats it. They aren't very strong.
• Tyrant Dragon Hawk as 520 physical strength and 80 magic. In chapter 137, his own attacks can harm him.
• It's implied a falling boulder would at least maim him.
• In chapter 169, Gowther knocks him out like it's nothing with his physical strength.

So, I'd venture to say that Guila was casual as **** and that we should find something better for Hawk.

 

[Makai641001]

Still seems a bit too questionable until further notice.

Yeah

Last one is about Hawk.

Hawk's feat of knocking down the door actually injured him.

This lead me to look into the feats of durability he has.

• In chapter 1, the debris from Twigo's shockwave injures him.
• In chapter 5/6, he's presented as less durable than even Elizabeth, and casually gets wrecked by Gil.
• In chapter 157, a baby Sand Crawler harms him before he eats it. They aren't very strong.
• Tyrant Dragon Hawk as 520 physical strength and 80 magic. In chapter 137, his own attacks can harm him.
• It's implied a falling boulder would at least maim him.
• In chapter 169, Gowther knocks him out like it's nothing with his physical strength.

So, I'd venture to say that Guila was casual as **** and that we should find something better for Hawk.

Most of these looks like gag character shit

Some of these cause him pain but don’t really knock him out even Gil wrecking him wasn’t enough to damage him permanently as he was fully capable of movements and came back in the timeframe of the fight

The fire thing might be more about his Resistance to fire

The electricity too

He might have a few good feats n prisonner of the Sky

This Is the exact same gagesque pig that Is currently surviving purgatory like it’s nothing

 

[Makai641001]

Also Elisabeth has sleeping goddess magic inside her which would make her resistance to magic far higher than Hawk’s