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NNT AP Revision

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Ok

So LOTL would be:
4,03958 Petatons x2 (1st FC) = 8,07916 x2 (2nd FC) = 16,158 x2 (3rd) = 32,32 x2 (4th) = 64,63 x2 (5th) = 129,3 x2 (6th) = 258,53 x2 (7th) = 517,06 x2 (8) = 1034,13 x2 (9) = 2068,3 x2 (10) = 4136,52 x2 (11) = 8273,05 x2 (12) = 16546,11 x2 (13) = 33 092,24 Petatons

33,09 Exatons (5-C)
I didn't say it was a Ki blast, I said it was like equivocating a Ki blast to hax.

Demons still have Darkness even without magic.

He clearly didn't stop it with hax, though. If anything, evidence suggests it was weaker than normal.
Who scales to lotl? Also would Meliodas really be 5b for damaging Arthur?
 
Who scales to lotl? Also would Meliodas really be 5b for damaging Arthur?
Chaos scale of course
Cath possibly with Chaos partly absorbed
Current Mel

I think he should get the 5-B rating yeah
We agreed on scaling Chaos physicals to his Chaos energy which range between 5-B and H 4-C on this wiki
Backed up by the fact that he withstood His FC’d magic We could get Mel to at least 5-B
But We have to wait and see a few more chapters
53.1c base Meli might get accepted soon too
 
He never used barriers against Mel.

Excalibur just channelled the lake's energies into Arthur.

They absorbed the lake to unlock Chaos and resurrect him, so there's no reason for that.
 
He never used barriers against Mel.

Excalibur just channelled the lake's energies into Arthur.

They absorbed the lake to unlock Chaos and resurrect him, so there's no reason for that.
He used chaos barriers aganst cath and Percival and even Tristian
 
What about it? Especially since Arthur did defend himself and received no damage.

He literally didn't use barriers there, so idk what to tell you about him not using barriers.

Also, on this note, the barriers he used against Cath were visible. Why would he suddenly be using invisible barriers against Tristan and Percy?
 
Outliers: Just because, for example, Demon King's Destroyer-amplified slashes did even less damage than his and (notice the hole in his stomach) Escanor's punches, does this mean a character shouldn't have Destroyer amps in general? No, that just means it's inconsistency, and DK should still have a 10x amp on his AP. However, characters like Gilthunder consistently don't display the amp during the prior to the Defensive Battle for Liones arc.
That hole was there because of the PDK attack on his previous transformation. UTO Escanor scales far above prime demon king. So Enchantment multiplers can be scaled to him.
 
He literally didn't use barriers there, so idk what to tell you.

Also, on this note, the barriers he used against Cath were visible. Why would he suddenly be using invisible barriers against Tristan and Percy?
Because he can since he is the king of chaos just because clones are invisible doesn’t mean they’re not clones
 
Bro, we're talking about Pre-Noon Escanor to begin with. Not UTO.

UTO was never hit by DK's weapon.

In fact, the Escanor he punched a hole through would logically be stronger than the one he slashed since it was closer to noon at the time.
 
Still, it doesn't make sense that something 10x stronger than his punches would do less damage, does it, especially when Escanor was weaker than The One when he got slashed?

It's not a hard concept to understand;

The Destroyer amp is scaled to 10x DK's AP, which is his punching/weapon strength/magic.

So how can it be 10x his punching/weapon strength/magic if it does less damage than his punches/magic to an opponent?

It's an outlier and literally contradicts what you're saying rn.
Didn’t We agree on him scaling fully to his chaos Energy in the 4-A upgrade thread ?
I don't recall that.
Because he can since he is the king of chaos just because clones are invisible doesn’t mean they’re not clones
Cool, then prove he has barriers to begin with.
 
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I didn't say it was a Ki blast, I said it was like equivocating a Ki blast to hax.

Demons still have Darkness even without magic.

He clearly didn't stop it with hax, though. If anything, evidence suggests it was weaker than normal.
So what did he stop it with exactly?
as if he did stop it with darkness it will be shown.
You said he did not stop it with magic or physicals and we see no darkness so what was it stopped briefly with
 
So what did he stop it with exactly?
as if he did stop it with darkness it will be shown.
You said he did not stop it with magic or physicals and we see no darkness so what was it stopped briefly with
It's darkness. It doesn't have to be told, he's a Demon (Darkness is associated with their entire physiology) and it's a black mass with very similar effects to whenever a character uses darkness.

For example, God Ripper is Hellblaze. We're not told it's Hellblaze, we can just figure that out for ourselves because it looks the same and burns shit.
 
It's darkness. It doesn't have to be told, he's a Demon (Darkness is associated with their entire physiology) and it's a black mass with very similar effects to whenever a character uses darkness.

For example, God Ripper is Hellblaze. We're not told it's Hellblaze, we can just figure that out for ourselves because it looks the same and burns shit.
Said black mass looks exactly like what Am Mel used to crush Estarossa and Zel also
 
Meliodas swings his sword with Hellblaze and it makes a cut on Drole.
Meliodas fires Hellblaze out of his sword without the blade making contact with Drole. That's not an enchantment because it has to be imbued within the weapon, increasing the weapon's destructive power.
Then Zeldris imbues what’s left of his weapon with darkness.
Zeldris doesn't imbue his weapon with Darkness, he literally makes a blade on top of it.
 
Meliodas fires Hellblaze out of his sword without the blade making contact with Drole. That's not an enchantment because it has to be imbued within the weapon, increasing the weapon's destructive power.

Zeldris doesn't imbue his weapon with Darkness, he literally makes a blade on top of it.
Yes but it’s still added to the weapon since percival used his enchantment on a Brocken blade. Meliodas still swings the sword as it cuts droles shoulder.
 
Percival still had somewhat of a blade to enchant, IIRC. Zeldris doesn't.

Edit: Actually, when was this?

No he doesn't. He's already swung at Drole here, and then Drole activates Heavy Metal before God Ripper hits him. The sword itself never hit Drole, just purgatory flame.
 
Percival still had somewhat of a blade to enchant, IIRC. Zeldris doesn't.

Edit: Actually, when was this?

No he doesn't. He's already swung at Drole here, and then Drole activates Heavy Metal before God Ripper hits him. The sword itself never hit Drole, just purgatory flame.
The tiny bit of the blade including the handle counts that’s why the shape is similar to his sword but whatever he should still have have the 10x amp for being able to use destroyer magic. Also doesn’t king scale to Albion by taking hits and countering Albion beams then one shotting Albion with enchantments spirit spear?
 
Zeldris having Destroyer is fine, but this isn't an example.

Who says the handle counts? Lancelot literally says the blade is enhanced. No blade on the sword, ergo no enchantment.

How would that even work when 99% of the weapon (which is entirely the portion that Zeldris uses to attack) isn't that tiny part of the hilt that the darkness covers? The amp works by applying magical traits to weaponry, not combat traits to magic.

King's AP and durability shouldn't be 1:1 with Albion's AP. He was overpowered, severely damaged, and marred his knuckles just by punching Howzer. Also, King couldn't harm either Albion or Hendrickson to any degree.

Spirit Spear is >> Albion's Full Counter, and far more powerful than King normally. So it's not really a factor here.
 
Zeldris having Destroyer is fine, but this isn't an example.

Who says the handle counts? Lancelot literally says the blade is enhanced. No blade on the sword, ergo no enchantment.

How would that even work when 99% of the weapon isn't that tiny part of the hilt that the darkness covers?

King's AP and durability shouldn't be 1:1 with Albion's AP. He was overpowered, severely damaged, and marred his knuckles just by punching Howzer. Also, King couldn't harm either Albion or Hendrickson to any degree.

Spirit Spear is >> Albion's Full Counter, and far more powerful than King normally. So it's not really a factor here.
Still his durability should at least be likely far higher than Meliodas can scale to his durability as well. What’s left to be accepted on this crt anyway?
 
Still his durability should at least be likely far higher than Meliodas can scale to his durability as well.
No. We've had this discussion a billion times before.
What’s left to be accepted on this crt anyway?
It's only been a few hours, and Pain is making a discussion about a topic that ties into this.

Just wait.
 
No. We've had this discussion a billion times before.

It's only been a few hours, and Pain is making a discussion about a topic that ties into this.

Just wait.
Still king tanked the same arm attack that destroyed the mountain top and countered Albion beam with his own and they canceled each other out.
 
Still king tanked the same arm attack that destroyed the mountain top and countered Albion beam with his own and they canceled each other out.
No it didn't, and no he didn't. One was just a slap (+ King doesn't have enough surface area to be compared to the mountain), and in both instances King was overwhelmed and thrown back by the beam clashes.

Plus, as I said before, King has been harmed by characters way weaker than Albion and himself. For example, Helbram and Cain.
Can we upscale DK Zeldris to his DK Britannia self since Zeldris was a perfect vessel unlike his tree vessel?
No, and that makes absolutely no sense.

If we're scaling Britannia DK to an entire combo that involved an amped UTO Escanor, how can DK Zeldris scale above DK Britannia?
 
No it didn't, and no he didn't. One was just a slap (+ King doesn't have enough surface area to be compared to the mountain), and in both instances King was overwhelmed and thrown back by the beam clashes.

No, and that makes absolutely no sense.

If we're scaling Britannia DK to an entire combo that involved an amped UTO Escanor, how can DK Zeldris scale above DK Britannia?
I meant to somewhat scale to his DK Britannia self. Yes but he somewhat matched the Albion’s beam to the point that everything wasn’t destroyed by it. Can echament be used for Gloxinia basquias when he flings the spear at demon mark unsealed Meliodas?
 
I meant to somewhat scale to his DK Britannia self.
No. That's still just backscaling, and doesn't work.

If you establish that he scales above these characters' combined attack, you can't then scale them to someone that scales to these characters.

Plus, it doesn't even matter how good the vessel was. BDK had the life in Britannia, which is stated to have a lot of magic power.
Yes but he somewhat matched the Albion’s beam to the point that everything wasn’t destroyed by it.
All it did was explode. Nothing suggests he even somewhat matched it. Also, he already scales above someone just 2x weaker than this, so it already makes enough sense in the scaling.
Can echament be used for Gloxinia basquias when he flings the spear at demon mark unsealed Meliodas?
Sure, but that would just downgrade Gloxnina 2 to 3 fold from Demon Meliodas.
 
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