Ninjago Tier 2 Downgrade

[Lloydblitzed]

Tbh I’m kind of doubting tier 2, most of the time it seems like the realms are portrayed as just planets or islands or continents contained in a larger universe.

Its evident Realms aren't planets, they parallel to Ninjago (implied to not limit at a planet, a whole space-time, called a Universe and with Outer Space being part of it) and seperated by the Divide and aren't just continent (Like WOG even calls them places, not planets). It would litterall be against show logic to claim Parallel Realms are part of a same Universe. This rule littterally exists (which Ninjago obviously fit):

• If there is shown to be a collection of multiple alternate worlds/dimensions that are either stated to be parallel and/or there are visual depictions resembling each of those worlds/dimensions to be metaphorically similar to each other (Such as bubbles or other structures that appear similar in size), and most importantly, at least one of those individual worlds/dimensions has shown enough evidence to consider them a Universe level+ sized spacetime continuum, then the conclusion is to consider ALL of those individual worlds/dimensions universes and that the entire collection is a multiverse.

We aren't going back to this point again, Realms are obviously seperated Universes

 

[JJSliderman]

None of this confirms individual realms are universes, it kind of shows the opposite. All the realms you posted about are described as either “collections of sky islands”, “collections of buildings”, etc. Not once is the entire dimension collectively referred to as a realm. Yes, realms exist in separate dimensions, but the dimensions themselves are never referred to as realms.

The mergequake storm is prolly the only actual tier 2 thing.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

None of this confirms individual realms are universes, it kind of shows the opposite. All the realms you posted about are described as either “collections of sky islands”, “collections of buildings”, etc.

Why in the world would them describing the landscapes of the main planets of each Realms even disprove anything? The parrallel statements litterally goes over that

Not once is the entire dimension collectively referred to as a realm.

Here, here, here, here, WOG says the Realms aren't diff planets but places, which implies they do indeed refers to the entire dimension), Doc stating FSM didn't just create Islands like he did in Ninjago, but a whole Realm (And Multiple), and its shown many, many , many, other Realms have their own Outer Space too

Yes, realms exist in separate dimensions, but the dimensions themselves are never referred to as realms.

They are directly stated to be parrallel, we have enough evidence one of them is a whole infinite space-time continuum, that's a baseline Multiverse according to our system. Read the rule

 

[JJSliderman]

Why in the world would them describing the landscapes of the main planets of each Realms even disprove anything? The parrallel statements litterally goes over that

Because the landscapes themselves are what are referred to as realms, not the dimensions.

Here,

Says dragons are not native to Ninjago, the planet, or the dimension, but never called Ninjago a dimension.

here,

I imagine “universe” is in more of a meta sense, like the fictional world the Ninjago franchise has created, given this is a teaser blurb for the next season. But there is some wiggle room I suppose.

here,

Never calls the realm of madness a universe, just says that it’s in another dimension.

here,

Djinnjago is just referred to as extra-dimensional, this says nothing about its actual size.

WOG says the Realms aren't diff planets but places, which implies they do indeed refers to the entire dimension),

Uhhh…that’s a big leap. Places could be referring to elements even smaller than planets, which works fine given that many of the realms are described as collections of things way smaller than planets.

Doc stating FSM didn't just create Islands like he did in Ninjago, but a whole Realm (And Multiple), and its shown many, many , many, other Realms have their own Outer Space too

Yes, all these realms exist in their own dimension, that’s been established, not that these realms encompass the entire universe, or that the FSM created all those cosmological objects. The process of creating a single Star melted the weapons down.

They are directly stated to be parrallel, we have enough evidence one of them is a whole infinite space-time continuum, that's a baseline Multiverse according to our system. Read the rule

Yes, and being parallel to Ninjago, which is described as a realm, would make all the realms like continent size, as specifically Ninjago island is referred to as the realm, not outer space.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ninjago being called a universe by Wu in Hands of Time is enough to call it a universe and other Realms being parallel to it confirms it too.
Also Tommy once said that he won’t do anything about space after Season 3. Would be pretty weird if all of the Realms are in space and different planets.
GWs creating Star did not destroy them. These weapons were flying at insane speed, may I remind you, to the cosmos.

Also smth smth:

• If the size of the realms described has having infinite sizes or other synonyms, that should strongly indicate them being universes.
• If there is shown to be a collection of multiple alternate worlds/dimensions that are either stated to be parallel and/or there are visual depictions resembling each of those worlds/dimensions to be metaphorically similar to each other (Such as bubbles or other structures that appear similar in size), and most importantly, at least one of those individual worlds/dimensions has shown enough evidence to consider them a Universe level+ sized spacetime continuum, then the conclusion is to consider all of those individual worlds/dimensions universes and that the entire collection is a multiverse.

LloydBlitzed showed the scan of infinite size; in Ninjago DR, we see the Realms being identical size of each other, and since Ninjago itself has a strong evidence of being a universe (called space-time and universe as was shown earlier) and other Realms are parallel to it, it is undeniable that these are separate universes.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Because the landscapes themselves are what are referred to as realms, not the dimensions.

That's so untrue

I imagine “universe” is in more of a meta sense, like the fictional world the Ninjago franchise has created, given this is a teaser blurb for the next season. But there is some wiggle room I suppose.

No, as inside the same book, Wu also states the Universe is out of Balance

Never calls the realm of madness a universe, just says that it’s in another dimension.

Even Lego.com refers the Realm of Madness as a dimension, which is clearly established here

Djinnjago is just referred to as extra-dimensional, this says nothing about its actual size.

Extra-Dimentional means another dimension.....

Uhhh…that’s a big leap. Places could be referring to elements even smaller than planets, which works fine given that many of the realms are described as collections of things way smaller than planets.

Ah yes, Parrallel worlds with entire Outer Spaces are def smaller then Planets.....

Yes, all these realms exist in their own dimension, that’s been established, not that these realms encompass the entire universe, or that the FSM created all those cosmological objects.

The scan specifically says he created the WHOLE thing

The process of creating a single Star melted the weapons down.

"HOW THINGS HAPPENED IN NINJAGO DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PATTERN FOR EVERY REALM"

Yes, and being parallel to Ninjago, which is described as a realm, would make all the realms like continent size, as specifically Ninjago island is referred to as the realm, not outer space.

How tf? The whole place is described as a Space-Time by Zane, and its said the Time Twins almost destroyed Ninjago with the Time Element, and this is backed up by Kai they almost ruined all of Space and Time, and we know Ninjago is a Universe via Wu's statement, further back up by the scan I sent earlier . Outer Space not being seperate implies that its part of the Realm, which is said to be infinite, which still leads to a Universal sized space. As I stated earlier, we also know for a facts Realms aren't just planets, meaning it doesn't limit to a continent. Ninjago being Universal in size applies to all the other Realms

 

[JJSliderman]

That's so untrue

Cloud Kingdom: The realm consists of a series of buildings surrounding a large central tower

Djinnjago was a series of sky islands connected by ancient stone bridges.

It does not include the outer space aspect, notably.

No, as inside the same book, Wu also states the Universe is out of Balance

If Wu links Ninjago, the name, with the universe as a whole, then sure; but he just says the universe is out of balance without equating it to Ninjago

Even Lego.com refers the Realm of Madness as a dimension, which is clearly established here

Fair enough.

Extra-Dimentional means another dimension.....

No, it means it exists outside of a dimension.

"HOW THINGS HAPPENED IN NINJAGO DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PATTERN FOR EVERY REALM"

It’s the exact same golden weapons doing a feat they supposedly did extremely casually a million times over minimum, immediately melting upon doing said feat, kind of inconsistent.

Rest is stuff I’m 50/50 on, will think about.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

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Bro why did you just ignore me

Also just because they never showed us the space aspect of other Realms does not disprove anything, it’s like downgrading Gravity Falls because all of other infinite worlds there never showed their space aspect.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Cloud Kingdom: The realm consists of a series of buildings surrounding a large central tower

Djinnjago was a series of sky islands connected by ancient stone bridges.

Ye, that's just explaining what's on the main planet, doesn't disprove the fact they are Universes. Since they are parrallel to Ninjago, it does include the outer space aspect

If Wu links Ninjago, the name, with the universe as a whole, then sure; but he just says the universe is out of balance without equating it to Ninjago

The description calls it the Ninjago Universe, it should be safe to say Wu was linking Ninjago to the Universe

No, it means it exists outside of a dimension.

Not what the dictionary says

It’s the exact same golden weapons doing a feat they supposedly did extremely casually a million times over minimum, immediately melting upon doing said feat, kind of inconsistent.

There's no statements saying FSM created those Realms with the GWs, that's a big assumption

 

[JJSliderman]

Ninjago being called a universe by Wu in Hands of Time is enough to call it a universe and other Realms being parallel to it confirms it too.

He doesn’t call Ninjago a universe, he just says “the universe is out of balance”

Also Tommy once said that he won’t do anything about space after Season 3. Would be pretty weird if all of the Realms are in space and different planets.

How exactly does that prove that space is part of the realms? Moreover, the realms are in separate dimensions, not across space, so this is kind of irrelevant, they’re not exploring space by going to other realms no matter what.

GWs creating Star did not destroy them. These weapons were flying at insane speed, may I remind you, to the cosmos.

Eh, they were melted by something less than universe creation was my point

Also smth smth:

• If the size of the realms described has having infinite sizes or other synonyms, that should strongly indicate them being universes.

• If there is shown to be a collection of multiple alternate worlds/dimensions that are either stated to be parallel and/or there are visual depictions resembling each of those worlds/dimensions to be metaphorically similar to each other (Such as bubbles or other structures that appear similar in size), and most importantly, at least one of those individual worlds/dimensions has shown enough evidence to consider them a Universe level+ sized spacetime continuum, then the conclusion is to consider all of those individual worlds/dimensions universes and that the entire collection is a multiverse.

LloydBlitzed showed the scan of infinite size; in Ninjago DR, we see the Realms being identical size of each other, and since Ninjago itself has a strong evidence of being a universe (called space-time and universe as was shown earlier) and other Realms are parallel to it, it is undeniable that these are separate universes.

The debate was never on if the dimensions were universe sized, just the realms (which is the main subject of the merge, and has conflicting info)

Ye, that's just explaining what's on the main planet, doesn't disprove the fact they are Universes. Since they are parrallel to Ninjago, it does include the outer space aspect

Why would it only refer to one planet out of an entire infinite universe when describing the realm?

The description calls it the Ninjago Universe, it should be safe to say Wu was linking Ninjago to the Universe

Or it could just be the universe that Ninjago exists in

Not what the dictionary says

“From or in another dimension”
Great, doesn’t confirm Djinnjago is a dimension, but “from” or “in” one, not an exoneration of universal Djinnjago

There's no statements saying FSM created those Realms with the GWs, that's a big assumption

Except that the golden weapons are seen spinning around and glowing right before the realms appear in the flashback showing the realm disks, or the fact that it was stated the FSM used the golden weapons to create Ninjago (which already has an existing universe before the FSM arrived)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

He doesn’t call Ninjago a universe, he just says “the universe is out of balance”

No? He literally says that Time Twins threaten the universe.

How exactly does that prove that space is part of the realms? Moreover, the realms are in separate dimensions, not across space, so this is kind of irrelevant, they’re not exploring space by going to other realms no matter what.

Precisely. So these are not the planets in one universe. These are parallel dimensions, and since Ninjago was called space-time and universe, as well as shown to have a space and stated to have infinite size, other Realms are same in size and are their own space-times.

Eh, they were melted by something less than universe creation was my point

They were melted due to flying at extreme speeds into the cosmos. Golden Weapons never created anything bigger than star by the way.

The debate was never on if the dimensions were universe sized, just the realms (which is the main subject of the merge, and has conflicting info)

Realms are dimensions. These are just synonymous words to describe same thing.

I already showed evidence of why these universes are a multiverse anyways.

 

[JJSliderman]

No? He literally says that Time Twins threaten the universe.

Okay, you repeated what I just said, he mentioned the “universe” was threatened, not “Ninjago, the universe”

Precisely. So these are not the planets in one universe. These are parallel dimensions, and since Ninjago was called space-time and universe, as well as shown to have a space and stated to have infinite size, other Realms are same in size and are their own space-times.

I never said that the realms were in the same universe, I always acknowledged they were in different universes, just that the realms were arguable in terms of being universe sized.

Golden Weapons never created anything bigger than star by the way.

I think an entire universe is slightly bigger than a star, personally.

Realms are dimensions. These are just synonymous words to describe same thing.

The secret dimension is my main acknowledgement of realms being dimensions, so yeah that’s fine.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Also just wanted to say that what OP said:

Harumi: I'm sorry, Lloyd. The only way this will ever end is for one side of the balance to win. And you're just not strong enough.

This leads into the next point on what The Overlord actually wanted to do

Wu: How could I have been such a fool? The Overlord doesn't want to destroy you. He wants to corrupt the powers of Creation!

Now, this is an INDIRECT means of “destroying” The Balance and not affecting it directly. The Overlord would corrupt the Golden Weapons, therefore shifting the balance over to darkness. (Quote ended)

@Minaaaa never actually proves that corrupting the powers of Creation is the cause of destruction of the Balance. There was no established cause-effect relationship between those, it was just assumed that one causes another.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I personally don't see any point on this OP continuing since Overlord's existance itself affects the Realms

Also, as explained earlier, Overlord is part of the Balance. The same Balance affects and holds the Realms intact, where Light and Dark must always exists, so he directly affecting those Realms along with FSM, as they are the ones who represents the Balance

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Okay, you repeated what I just said, he mentioned the “universe” was threatened, not “Ninjago, the universe”

Time Twins affect only one space-time though and their powers are always depicted as working in NInjago only.

I never said that the realms were in the same universe, I always acknowledged they were in different universes, just that the realms were arguable in terms of being universe sized.

That's alright, but those Realms were depicted the same size in DR as I showed + smth smth Realms are parallel so...

I think an entire universe is slightly bigger than a star, personally.

GWs helped creating the continent Ninjago, FSM created the universe, as far as I recall.

The secret dimension is my main acknowledgement of realms being dimensions, so yeah that’s fine.

So you agree?

 

[JJSliderman]

So you agree?

Yeah I think the secret dimension being equated to the realm of madness presents a, decent case.

 

[Minaaaa]

bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ah gree wi' this downgrade, reading thro' a' o' it!

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I’mma copy-and-paste myself as this was completely ignored:

Also just wanted to say that what OP said:

Harumi: I'm sorry, Lloyd. The only way this will ever end is for one side of the balance to win. And you're just not strong enough.

This leads into the next point on what The Overlord actually wanted to do

Wu: How could I have been such a fool? The Overlord doesn't want to destroy you. He wants to corrupt the powers of Creation!

Now, this is an INDIRECT means of “destroying” The Balance and not affecting it directly. The Overlord would corrupt the Golden Weapons, therefore shifting the balance over to darkness. (Quote ended)

@Minaaaa never actually proves that corrupting the powers of Creation is the cause of destruction of the Balance. There was no established cause-effect relationship between those, it was just assumed that one causes another.

 

[Minaaaa]

Its simply putting 2 and 2 together. The overlord's whole character is wanting darkness to rule over ninjago. Every instance of the balance being affected is through darkness overtaking light, using this, we come to the conclusion in the OP. Unless you have any other way hes "destroying" the balance, the explanation stands

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Its simply putting 2 and 2 together. The overlord's whole character is wanting darkness to rule over ninjago. Every instance of the balance being affected is through darkness overtaking light, using this, we come to the conclusion in the OP. Unless you have any other way hes "destroying" the balance, the explanation stands

The important thing is that Overlord realizes this, and which is why he wanted to “end conflict between Light and Darkness” — by destroying the very thing that keeps it going: the Balance. You got it correct that all previous instances of affecting Balance were indirect: however, they never, NEVER turned into full destruction of it, regardless of which side one and how heavily. Which already implies that Overlord planned to destroy the Balance very, very literally.

Also I will repeat my another argument again (which you gladly dismissed by “hyperbole”):

In the DR we see visually he creates them all at the same time. Nothing indicates otherwise.

Also, Lloyd and Harumi were afraid that Overlord was going to destroy “everything”. The reason it does not apply to Ninjago only is due to the fact that Harumi is actually fine with Overlord’s offer (regardless of whether it is his true intention or not) of destroying Balance and permanently setting all of the Realms into the darkness. Thus meaning that “destroy everything” > “all of Realms in Darkness”, so assuming that he is capable of destroying all of the Realms is fair given the narrative.

Past Harumi: You — you're the Overlord!

Past Overlord: I have had many names. Dark Lord. Golden Master. Crystal King. And yes, Overlord.

Past Harumi: I can't serve you. You'll destroy everything.

Past Overlord: Destruction comes from conflict, from the eternal struggle between light and dark. I will end that struggle. If you serve me, I will destroy the Balanceand end the conflict once and for all. There will be peace in the dark.

Past Harumi: I will serve you.

Source: Ninjago; Crystalized: A Sinister Shadow.

Also, the reason why Balance affects all of the Realms:

Khanjikhan: As you know, the Sixteen Realms are interconnected and the balance affects us all. When one falls, another falls apart. Every action has a consequence.

Source: Ninjago: Masters of Spinjitzu; Season 6 Episode 3: Enkrypted


Basically: “Destroy everything” > destroy the Balance = put all of the Realms into the permanent darkness.


This in detail explains why it is NOT a hyperbole.

 

[Minaaaa]

Harumi's statement about having one side of the balance win already proves he isnt literally destroying it, just having his side win so he can rule.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Harumi's statement about having one side of the balance win already proves he isnt literally destroying it, just having his side win so he can rule.

She never says Balance will remain. Just like if two parties fight over the country and then country collapses but first party dies, then second party is a winner regardless. Same case here: Overlord would be a side of Balance that won regardless even if the Balance is destroyed.

 

[Minaaaa]

This even further disproves your point. If light and dark are the balance and dark wins, then theres no more balance. Again, he isn't physically destroying the conceptual balance, rather corrupting the powers of creation so he can rule

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This even further disproves your point. If light and dark are the balance and dark wins, then theres no more balance. Again, he isn't physically destroying the conceptual balance, rather corrupting the powers of creation so he can rule

It does not disprove anything. I already proved that one-sided wins do not result in the destruction of Balance. See Season 2, Season 3 and everything after it.
The whole point of Overlord’s “I’ll destroy Balance” was the fact that he decided to make actually something new and not just make Evil win, but rather destroy what causes the eternal conflict and thus make a perma-win for himself.
Denying that is just going against the narrative.


And, again, destroying everything point was ignored. Can’t find proper refutation?

 

[Minaaaa]

The whole point of Overlord’s “I’ll destroy Balance” was the fact that he decided to make actually something new and not just make Evil win, but rather destroy what causes the eternal conflict and thus make a perma-win for himself.

Again, we already know the overlord is just corrupting the powers of creation. He isnt physically nor directly affecting the conceptual balance. None of this matters

And, again, destroying everything point was ignored. Can’t find proper refutation?

You dont have to take everything hyper literally, even when the context proves otherwise. "destroying everything" in this context just means corrupting everything and turning everyone into crystal zombies

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Again, we already know the overlord is just corrupting the powers of creation.

And you have yet to prove that this would cause the destruction of the Balance, otherwise it is just your headcanon. Moreover, the entire city and three elemental powers of Creation corruped did not do ANYTHING close to destroying the Balance in Season 2 and Lloyd easily got his USM form. Moreover, even the fact that Golden Weapons were corrupted in the Crystalized did not destroy the Balance and Ninjas were still able to uncorrupt them and make GUD.
So, it is, in fact, just your personal headcanon. I would appreciate if you kept them to yourself.

He isnt physically nor directly affecting the conceptual balance. None of this matters

He does. Already proved that.

You dont have to take everything hyper literally, even when the context proves otherwise. "destroying everything" in this context just means corrupting everything and turning everyone into crystal zombies

Again? Like, genuinely? I already asked you to stop naming everything you can’t refute “a hyperbole”. Please stop doing that.
My explanation already gives an answer to why it is more than just corrupting everyone or even putting all of the Realms into the permanent Darkness. You just ignored it. Good job.

 

[Minaaaa]

And you have yet to prove that this would cause the destruction of the Balance, otherwise it is just your headcanon.

If you provide no other alternative, this is the explanation we go with.

Moreover, the entire city and three elemental powers of Creation corruped did not do ANYTHING close to destroying the Balance in Season 2 and Lloyd easily got his USM form.

He corrupted the ninja, not the powers themselves. they exist seperatly from each other.

Moreover, even the fact that Golden Weapons were corrupted in the Crystalized did not destroy the Balance and Ninjas were still able to uncorrupt them and make GUD.

again, not the powers themselves, he affected the shell.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If you provide no other alternative, this is the explanation we go with.

It is not how it works. You just assume one causes another, non sequitir fallacy.

He corrupted the ninja, not the powers themselves. they exist seperatly from each other.

He literally wanted to do the same thing in Crystalized and that’s what Wu was afraid of. He wanted to corrupt Ninjas.

again, not the powers themselves, he affected the shell.

These weapons do have those powers. Also, again, he wanted to do same thing to Ninjas as in Season 2 (corrupt them).

As result, you still have not proven that corrupting Ninjas would destroy the Balance and I have even shown the contradiction to it. Simply non sequitir.

 

[Minaaaa]

It is not how it works. You just assume one causes another, non sequitir fallacy.

No, this explanation is consistent with his entire character. This is what he wanted when he first showed up and this is what he wanted as the golden master.

• Harumi: It's not a mistake, Lloyd. I thought about it carefully. Balance is the problem. It results in strife. True peace will only be achieved when one side wins, and darkness is stronger than light.
• Harumi: Crystal King, my lord. Follow my voice. It is I, Harumi. I summon you forth. Break free of your bonds. Take form! I summon you back to your rightful place as supreme ruler of Ninjago!
• Overlord: Silence! Nevertheless, this presents an opportunity. I was trying to destroy the ninja, but that would only unleash their powers, which, in time, might find new champions. But if I corrupted them instead, then the very powers of creation would be mine!
• Overlord: Fool. Your father never won. All he did was maintain the balance by dividing the island in two. He only delayed the inevitable. But now, the end is upon you. No more delays. No more balance.

Again, this has ALWAYS been the overlord's thing. Getting rid of the balance by getting rid of light so darkness can rule, even guides back this up. Unless you have a better explanation with back up, i see no reason as to why this is invalid

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Harumi's statement about having one side of the balance win already proves he isnt literally destroying it, just having his side win so he can rule.

One side of the Balance win = Imbalance = u messed up the Balance.
And still, Overlord existence itself is affecting the Realms as explained earlier

No, this explanation is consistent with his entire character. This is what he wanted when he first showed up and this is what he wanted as the golden master.

• Harumi: It's not a mistake, Lloyd. I thought about it carefully. Balance is the problem. It results in strife. True peace will only be achieved when one side wins, and darkness is stronger than light.
• Harumi: Crystal King, my lord. Follow my voice. It is I, Harumi. I summon you forth. Break free of your bonds. Take form! I summon you back to your rightful place as supreme ruler of Ninjago!
• Overlord: Silence! Nevertheless, this presents an opportunity. I was trying to destroy the ninja, but that would only unleash their powers, which, in time, might find new champions. But if I corrupted them instead, then the very powers of creation would be mine!
• Overlord: Fool. Your father never won. All he did was maintain the balance by dividing the island in two. He only delayed the inevitable. But now, the end is upon you. No more delays. No more balance.

Again, this has ALWAYS been the overlord's thing. Getting rid of the balance by getting rid of light so darkness can rule, even guides back this up. Unless you have a better explanation with back up, i see no reason as to why this is invalid

He is affecting the Balance by directly getting rid of Light. May I remind you he is also PART of that Balance, and that he evidently needs one side to win to create imbalance?

again, not the powers themselves, he affected the shell.

That's the biggest lie ever

 

[Minaaaa]

He is affecting the Balance by directly getting rid of Light.

He's indirectly doing it. Through his corruption, hes shifting the balance. He isnt directly interacting with it

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He's indirectly doing it. Through his corruption, hes shifting the balance.

My point remains

 

[GarrixianXD]

Disagree FRA.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

No, this explanation is consistent with his entire character. This is what he wanted when he first showed up and this is what he wanted as the golden master.

• Harumi: It's not a mistake, Lloyd. I thought about it carefully. Balance is the problem. It results in strife. True peace will only be achieved when one side wins, and darkness is stronger than light.
• Harumi: Crystal King, my lord. Follow my voice. It is I, Harumi. I summon you forth. Break free of your bonds. Take form! I summon you back to your rightful place as supreme ruler of Ninjago!
• Overlord: Silence! Nevertheless, this presents an opportunity. I was trying to destroy the ninja, but that would only unleash their powers, which, in time, might find new champions. But if I corrupted them instead, then the very powers of creation would be mine!
• Overlord: Fool. Your father never won. All he did was maintain the balance by dividing the island in two. He only delayed the inevitable. But now, the end is upon you. No more delays. No more balance.

I don’t see how any of this supports your argument, as nothing here says corrupting Creation = destruction of Balance.

Again, this has ALWAYS been the overlord's thing. Getting rid of the balance by getting rid of light so darkness can rule, even guides back this up. Unless you have a better explanation with back up, i see no reason as to why this is invalid

And what did it do? Only shifted the Balance. Never destroyed it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Again? Like, genuinely? I already asked you to stop naming everything you can’t refute “a hyperbole”. Please stop doing that.

My explanation already gives an answer to why it is more than just corrupting everyone or even putting all of the Realms into the permanent Darkness. You just ignored it. Good job.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Its simply putting 2 and 2 together. The overlord's whole character is wanting darkness to rule over ninjago. Every instance of the balance being affected is through darkness overtaking light, using this, we come to the conclusion in the OP. Unless you have any other way hes "destroying" the balance, the explanation stands

Overlord's goal is simple: rule over everything, not only Ninjago, not only Ninjago City but over EVERYTHING in the most vast sense it has in Ninjago Verse. Here's script from Season 3:

Overlord: We know where the Golden Ninja is, so why are we doing nothing about it? I must escape this wretched digital prison!

Stranger: Patience. The Golden Ninja won't go down without a fight, and we've already depleted our Electro-Cobrai. Before we take his Golden Power, we need more power of our own.

Overlord: Then find more. Once I become physical again, and rid the scourge that is the ninja, I will walk Ninjago with the power to rule this world, and beyond!

So Overlord's desire to rule is not abide only by Ninjago Realm. That's why his goal in Season 16 is also to rule over all of the Realms in eternal darkness (interesting words from Overlord I think).

Also, Balance is a conceptual force which is why I wanted Concept Manip added to Overlord's profile and Overlord shown that his actions (corrupting something, destroying something e.t.c.) is direct way to affect The Balance at least in terms of Ninjago Realm as a whole cosmological structure. Scans from Dark Island trilogy makes this feat even more global, affecting whole other Realms.

So disagree with removal of Concept Manip and downgrade.

 

[Minaaaa]

I don’t see how any of this supports your argument, as nothing here says corrupting Creation = destruction of Balance.

If the overlord says he can destroy the balance and we hear from himself that his plan is to corrupt the powers of creation then that makes a connection between those two things

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If the overlord says he can destroy the balance and we hear from himself that his plan is to corrupt the powers of creation then that makes a connection between those two things

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc/Non-sequitir​

I'm waiting for an actual proof that one would cause another.

 

[Minaaaa]

none of these apply here. its a simple conclusion given the evidence, instead of saying hes destroying it by destroying it