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DISCLAMER: Althought this CRT seems very big, its actually very simple (plz don't get discouraged)
Ok so many characters in the Ninjago (all have them) have been really ditched in terms of Attack Potency, Strength and Durability (the WHOLE VERSE IS DEPENDENT ON ONE MORRO FEAT) and there are some feats that massively upscales the Ninjas
I'll make another CRT for Strength and Durability tho
Attack Potency:
Ok so I'll seperate it this section in 2 parts here bc Dragon Rising really affects their AP
A Mergequake is an aftermath of the Merge (which, in short, merged all the Realms togheter) where 2 entire Realms tries to share the same space
Supported by this statement too
But that's not it!
Mergequakes have been stated multiple times to be able to affect the realms and even destroy them (Context: The world is clearly referring to the Merged Realms)
This means that a single Mergequake affects 2 Universal+ sized Realms and cause them to try and share a same space, thus closing one should give Kai and Lloyd (Post Power Drain form) Universal+ Attack Potency, as they are stopping 2 Universal+ sized realms to collide with each other.
"But how are the Realms Universal+ sized"
The Realm of Ninjago is referred as a dimension
The Ninjago Realm contains a Space Time
As well as being infinite in size via this statement from Way of the Departed (Source: Way Of Departed Chapter 9, from Twitter)
Way Of Departed can be considered canon via these tweets
(Sources: First tweet | Second Tweet)
All Realms are equal in size via this statement from the Cloud Kingdom, which means the previous scans applies to all the other Realms
This is overall is acceptable by VSBW's standarts: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Universe#Universe-sized_Realms_Guidelines
Now back to Attack Potency, Kai closing a mergequake would also scale to Nya and Zane's AP. Here is why:
Nya was able to knock away and harm the Earth Dragons here, who tanked a fire blast from Kai. This would scale Nya's AP to Universal+ too
Zane was able to neutralize and overpower Kai's fire in this clip , giving him Universal+ Attack Potency too
P.S: U could argue Cole has Universal+ AP too since he could one shot Sora who is comparable to Nya
I also think we should add a seperate key for their Dragon Rising selves within their profiles to avoid some confusions in the website (More specifically, for Cole, Lloyd, Kai, Zane and Nya)
"B-but this was 8 weapons not 4"
It was stated that a set of 4 golden weapons were needed to destroy the other set of 4 golden weapons since they had equal power. Thismeans that they did not fuse and it would also mean that a set of 4 golden weapons would scale to Star
This feat should scale to the Ninjas Attack Potency via:
Jay's lightning harming the Ninjas
Cole overpowering and harming Jay
Nya harming and overpowering Jay
Kai equalizing with Jay's lightning
Lloyd would also scale to the weapons by fightning on par with Reborn Garmadon who is stronger then his past self who tanked an explosion from the 4 Golden Weapons and can wisthand their power too
"B-but that makes no sense, OUTLIERRRR!!"
Well suprise suprise....we got other ways to get the Ninja's AP to Star:
As we know it, Lloyd was able to fight off Garmadon, who already scale to the Golden Weapons, which made a star
Lloyd should scale to the 4 Golden Weapons, as stated here that he have the powers of the 4 Golden Weapons, and this even before he obtained the Ninja's true potential at the Temple of Light. This Season 11 scan also supports that he can still use all the main 4 powers (in the form of energy ofc)
Its also to not he did not loose that power after he gave the Ninjas their powers back, but only gave back the rest of his GOLDEN POWER
And Lloyd can still harness the main elemental powers like Zane said via these statements (Keep in mind this statement was made after Seabound)
He is also the only one STRONG ENOUGH to fight S8 Garmadon, supporting my arguments even more, and indicating that Lloyd would still scale to the Golden Weapons via Garmadon
So with all this, we can confidently say Post Power Drain Lloyd is Star
"Ok that's cool, but why would it scale to the other ninjas?" Well the answer is pretty simple (its not)
Grief-Bringer could wisthand a full blast from Lloyd back in S13 before eventually getting destroyed (he still regenerated afterwards anyways)
This feat would scale to all the Ninjas (specifically Cole and Jay here) since:
Cole could harm Kalmaar, who can harm Kai, who tanked an hit from Grief-Bringer
Jay could harm Kai, who tanked an hit from Grief-Bringer
P.S: the reason Jay isn't getting any Universal+ scaling or stuff is because he has no feats in Dragon Rising at the moment
We could also apply the Star rating to the villains as they can all fight off and harm the Ninjas. Additionally, I think we should add the Ice Emperor form to Zane's profile (he easly scale off Lloyd) and the Spinjitzu Burst form to Cole (Would scale to Lloyd too via Vangelis scaling off to Lloyd who scale to Grief - Bringer)
FSM AND OVERLORD
Ok so the FSM and Overlord page should be massively updated via some feats.
In Dragon Rising it was revealed The First Spinjitzu Master created multiples Realms which is an easy 2-C for FSM
This would scale to the Overlord's Golden Master form too as he absorbed 90% of Ultimate Spinjitzu Master Lloyd's power (who are obviously comparable to the FSM and he was also stated to be above his Dragon Form), to Overlord's Dragon Form (as he could fight USM Lloyd) and Crystal King (As he stated he acheived the "perfect vessel")
Oni Lloyd
Lloyd should get a seperate key for his Oni form since he could harm down the Crystal King, which would put him at 2-C
Wojira and Merged with Sea Nya:
I think we should add a profile for Wojira and add a Merged with Sea key for Nya. Wojira is capable of flooding the entire planet in water (She used to rule over the world using it), which should put her at least Country Level. (via this calc) She would even scale higher since she created and lifted the Moon (offscreen) as said in Way of Departed (Class Z Lifting Strength feat btw)
This would put Wojira to at least Moon Level, and up to Star Level, since she could fight reletive to Nya, who at the time scaled to Star (due to reasons explained above) . Its also stated by the author that Nya in her Merged with Sea Form is 42x stronger then Wojira
This would put Merged with Sea Nya to Large Star Level
Comic Garmadon + Moon Tea Multiplier
Ok so I think we should add a seperate key for Comic Garmadon in the Lord Garmadon profile. In the Garmadon Comics (which are canon), Garmadon was able to one shot Mogra, who already drank 5 Moon Tea by then
A single Moon Tea cup has a x10 multiplier
The Moon Tea is also shown to consistanly boost the user's powers, making this multiplier valid and consistant
"B-but Mogra is not a ghost, Djinn, Oni or Dragon, its inconsistant"
The x10 amp scan specified that the amp works on OTHERWORDLY creature, meaning Mogra is not human, bc its even said the multiplier doesn't work on humans but it did on Mogra
So: 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 100 000x
This would make Comics Garmadon 100 000 times stronger then his Reborn Form (more precisely his S8 self before his power peak who scale to Star because of the Golden Weapons), putting his AP to Solar System Level
Reborn Garmadon
Reborn Garmadon should be upgraded to 4-C (via the arguments for the Golden Weapons) at base and up to 2-C at his peak (Emperor Garmadon states he could battle back entire Oni Army, who can cover all the Realms in darkness and destroy everything. He couldn't do it in S10 because he was far weakened and lost that power)
Sensei Wu
In Virtues of Spinjitzu, which can be considered canon via the fact the events does not contradict canon and takes place between The Island and Seabound, Sensei Wu could create a pocket dimension containing a Sun and obviously an Earth like planet (which according to the reference for common feats, is a 4-C feat, and would scale to Wu and to the Ninjas due to being reletive to him).
"Ok, but with what evidence?"
Source Dragon
I think we should add a Source Dragon profile (since they are OP as hell new characters) to the website. The Source Dragons are stronger then the First Spinjitzu Master (explained here) since he required their assistance to stop the Merge, which affected the entire cosmology of Ninjago, including the Ethereal divide, which basically represent the space between the Realms. They would be baseline Low Multiversal, but we could argue them being Low Complex Multiversal, since the Ethereal Divide represent the space between the Realms, who as we remember from earlier, are Universal+ and is used to travel between the Realms, meaning it has to be a Higher Dimensional Space (as it follows these VSBW standarts ), putting the Source Dragons at Low 1-C and at least 2-C. (Tho Low 1-C is a bit high balled, so 2-C would fit bettah)
P.S: We should add a new key in Lloyd's profile for Source Dragon Power Lloyd, since he obtained this new form by gaining all the Source Dragon's powers in Dragon Rising Episode 20
Just in case
A very very very mad lowball for the Ninjas would scale them to Continental Level via this scan which scale the Scythe of Quake to continental (since the ninjas can spar with each other with the weapons, it scales to them)
Using this scale, this would scale Comic Garmadon to Moon Level
Laslty, I think we should add a profile for: Aspheera, Sora, Arin, Vangelis, Acronix, Krux, Kalmaar, Wojira, Unagami, Omega, Wyldfyre, Mr E and Beatrix based of the new infos from this CRT
Conclusion:
Agree: @LifeRiderthe1 @MrUnderlord (agree with everything except Low 1-C Source Dragon) @Dark-Carioca @Dinoanime7 @Starbrand_Fan (Agrees with everything except Low 1-C Source Dragon) @MKF4 (Only disagree with Low 1-C Source Dragon) @GarrixianXD @DarkDragonMedeus @FinePoint (Agrees with Tier 4 and Tier 2. Neutral on Low 1-C stuff) @TheOrangeGuy09
Neutral: @Grand_Astartes @Qawsedf234 (Agrees with the Tier 2 part, disagree with the Tier 4 stuff) @Agnaa (On Mergequake part, hasn't evaluated anything else)
Disagree: @Alus83 @Jirachi_the_real_93 @Minaaaa @Zacisawesome101
Ok so many characters in the Ninjago (all have them) have been really ditched in terms of Attack Potency, Strength and Durability (the WHOLE VERSE IS DEPENDENT ON ONE MORRO FEAT) and there are some feats that massively upscales the Ninjas
I'll make another CRT for Strength and Durability tho
Attack Potency:
Ok so I'll seperate it this section in 2 parts here bc Dragon Rising really affects their AP
- Dragon Rising (Specifically for Kai, Zane, Lloyd and Nya)
A Mergequake is an aftermath of the Merge (which, in short, merged all the Realms togheter) where 2 entire Realms tries to share the same space
Supported by this statement too
But that's not it!
Mergequakes have been stated multiple times to be able to affect the realms and even destroy them (Context: The world is clearly referring to the Merged Realms)
This means that a single Mergequake affects 2 Universal+ sized Realms and cause them to try and share a same space, thus closing one should give Kai and Lloyd (Post Power Drain form) Universal+ Attack Potency, as they are stopping 2 Universal+ sized realms to collide with each other.
"But how are the Realms Universal+ sized"
The Realm of Ninjago is referred as a dimension
The Ninjago Realm contains a Space Time
As well as being infinite in size via this statement from Way of the Departed (Source: Way Of Departed Chapter 9, from Twitter)
Way Of Departed can be considered canon via these tweets
(Sources: First tweet | Second Tweet)
All Realms are equal in size via this statement from the Cloud Kingdom, which means the previous scans applies to all the other Realms
This is overall is acceptable by VSBW's standarts: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Universe#Universe-sized_Realms_Guidelines
- If the size of the realms described has having infinite sizes or other synonyms, that should strongly indicate them being universes.
- If there is shown to be a collection of multiple alternate worlds/dimensions that are either stated to be parallel and/or there are visual depictions resembling each of those worlds/dimensions to be metaphorically similar to each other (Such as bubbles or other structures that appear similar in size), and most importantly, at least one of those individual worlds/dimensions has shown enough evidence to consider them a Universe level+ sized spacetime continuum, then the conclusion is to consider all of those individual worlds/dimensions universes and that the entire collection is a multiverse.
Now back to Attack Potency, Kai closing a mergequake would also scale to Nya and Zane's AP. Here is why:
Nya was able to knock away and harm the Earth Dragons here, who tanked a fire blast from Kai. This would scale Nya's AP to Universal+ too
Zane was able to neutralize and overpower Kai's fire in this clip , giving him Universal+ Attack Potency too
P.S: U could argue Cole has Universal+ AP too since he could one shot Sora who is comparable to Nya
I also think we should add a seperate key for their Dragon Rising selves within their profiles to avoid some confusions in the website (More specifically, for Cole, Lloyd, Kai, Zane and Nya)
- Pre Dragon Rising (For Jay, Cole and everyone else except Overlord and FSM who has feats before Dragon Rising)
"B-but this was 8 weapons not 4"
It was stated that a set of 4 golden weapons were needed to destroy the other set of 4 golden weapons since they had equal power. Thismeans that they did not fuse and it would also mean that a set of 4 golden weapons would scale to Star
This feat should scale to the Ninjas Attack Potency via:
Jay's lightning harming the Ninjas
Cole overpowering and harming Jay
Nya harming and overpowering Jay
Kai equalizing with Jay's lightning
Lloyd would also scale to the weapons by fightning on par with Reborn Garmadon who is stronger then his past self who tanked an explosion from the 4 Golden Weapons and can wisthand their power too
"B-but that makes no sense, OUTLIERRRR!!"
Well suprise suprise....we got other ways to get the Ninja's AP to Star:
As we know it, Lloyd was able to fight off Garmadon, who already scale to the Golden Weapons, which made a star
Lloyd should scale to the 4 Golden Weapons, as stated here that he have the powers of the 4 Golden Weapons, and this even before he obtained the Ninja's true potential at the Temple of Light. This Season 11 scan also supports that he can still use all the main 4 powers (in the form of energy ofc)
Its also to not he did not loose that power after he gave the Ninjas their powers back, but only gave back the rest of his GOLDEN POWER
And Lloyd can still harness the main elemental powers like Zane said via these statements (Keep in mind this statement was made after Seabound)
He is also the only one STRONG ENOUGH to fight S8 Garmadon, supporting my arguments even more, and indicating that Lloyd would still scale to the Golden Weapons via Garmadon
So with all this, we can confidently say Post Power Drain Lloyd is Star
"Ok that's cool, but why would it scale to the other ninjas?" Well the answer is pretty simple (its not)
Grief-Bringer could wisthand a full blast from Lloyd back in S13 before eventually getting destroyed (he still regenerated afterwards anyways)
This feat would scale to all the Ninjas (specifically Cole and Jay here) since:
Cole could harm Kalmaar, who can harm Kai, who tanked an hit from Grief-Bringer
Jay could harm Kai, who tanked an hit from Grief-Bringer
P.S: the reason Jay isn't getting any Universal+ scaling or stuff is because he has no feats in Dragon Rising at the moment
We could also apply the Star rating to the villains as they can all fight off and harm the Ninjas. Additionally, I think we should add the Ice Emperor form to Zane's profile (he easly scale off Lloyd) and the Spinjitzu Burst form to Cole (Would scale to Lloyd too via Vangelis scaling off to Lloyd who scale to Grief - Bringer)
FSM AND OVERLORD
Ok so the FSM and Overlord page should be massively updated via some feats.
In Dragon Rising it was revealed The First Spinjitzu Master created multiples Realms which is an easy 2-C for FSM
This would scale to the Overlord's Golden Master form too as he absorbed 90% of Ultimate Spinjitzu Master Lloyd's power (who are obviously comparable to the FSM and he was also stated to be above his Dragon Form), to Overlord's Dragon Form (as he could fight USM Lloyd) and Crystal King (As he stated he acheived the "perfect vessel")
Oni Lloyd
Lloyd should get a seperate key for his Oni form since he could harm down the Crystal King, which would put him at 2-C
Wojira and Merged with Sea Nya:
I think we should add a profile for Wojira and add a Merged with Sea key for Nya. Wojira is capable of flooding the entire planet in water (She used to rule over the world using it), which should put her at least Country Level. (via this calc) She would even scale higher since she created and lifted the Moon (offscreen) as said in Way of Departed (Class Z Lifting Strength feat btw)
This would put Wojira to at least Moon Level, and up to Star Level, since she could fight reletive to Nya, who at the time scaled to Star (due to reasons explained above) . Its also stated by the author that Nya in her Merged with Sea Form is 42x stronger then Wojira
This would put Merged with Sea Nya to Large Star Level
Comic Garmadon + Moon Tea Multiplier
Ok so I think we should add a seperate key for Comic Garmadon in the Lord Garmadon profile. In the Garmadon Comics (which are canon), Garmadon was able to one shot Mogra, who already drank 5 Moon Tea by then
A single Moon Tea cup has a x10 multiplier
The Moon Tea is also shown to consistanly boost the user's powers, making this multiplier valid and consistant
"B-but Mogra is not a ghost, Djinn, Oni or Dragon, its inconsistant"
The x10 amp scan specified that the amp works on OTHERWORDLY creature, meaning Mogra is not human, bc its even said the multiplier doesn't work on humans but it did on Mogra
So: 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 100 000x
This would make Comics Garmadon 100 000 times stronger then his Reborn Form (more precisely his S8 self before his power peak who scale to Star because of the Golden Weapons), putting his AP to Solar System Level
Reborn Garmadon
Reborn Garmadon should be upgraded to 4-C (via the arguments for the Golden Weapons) at base and up to 2-C at his peak (Emperor Garmadon states he could battle back entire Oni Army, who can cover all the Realms in darkness and destroy everything. He couldn't do it in S10 because he was far weakened and lost that power)
Sensei Wu
In Virtues of Spinjitzu, which can be considered canon via the fact the events does not contradict canon and takes place between The Island and Seabound, Sensei Wu could create a pocket dimension containing a Sun and obviously an Earth like planet (which according to the reference for common feats, is a 4-C feat, and would scale to Wu and to the Ninjas due to being reletive to him).
"Ok, but with what evidence?"
- Wu clearly explained here that he designed each places to train the ninjas
- The places does not already exist, as the Ice Emperor's castle was turned back to normal in Season 11 and the Re-Awakened were all already defeated and killed by Cole in Season 13
- Wu explains that reality is all in one's perspective, indicating that he created those realities
Source Dragon
I think we should add a Source Dragon profile (since they are OP as hell new characters) to the website. The Source Dragons are stronger then the First Spinjitzu Master (explained here) since he required their assistance to stop the Merge, which affected the entire cosmology of Ninjago, including the Ethereal divide, which basically represent the space between the Realms. They would be baseline Low Multiversal, but we could argue them being Low Complex Multiversal, since the Ethereal Divide represent the space between the Realms, who as we remember from earlier, are Universal+ and is used to travel between the Realms, meaning it has to be a Higher Dimensional Space (as it follows these VSBW standarts ), putting the Source Dragons at Low 1-C and at least 2-C. (Tho Low 1-C is a bit high balled, so 2-C would fit bettah)
P.S: We should add a new key in Lloyd's profile for Source Dragon Power Lloyd, since he obtained this new form by gaining all the Source Dragon's powers in Dragon Rising Episode 20
Just in case
A very very very mad lowball for the Ninjas would scale them to Continental Level via this scan which scale the Scythe of Quake to continental (since the ninjas can spar with each other with the weapons, it scales to them)
Using this scale, this would scale Comic Garmadon to Moon Level
Laslty, I think we should add a profile for: Aspheera, Sora, Arin, Vangelis, Acronix, Krux, Kalmaar, Wojira, Unagami, Omega, Wyldfyre, Mr E and Beatrix based of the new infos from this CRT
Conclusion:
- Lloyd should have new keys (Dragon Rising, Oni Form and Source Dragon Power) where his Dragon Rising form is Low 2-C and the Source Dragon power one is at least 2-C (possibly Low 1-C)
- Garmadon should get new keys (Comics Garmadon) which should get an upgrade to 4-A
- Cole and Jay should be upgraded to 4-C
- Source Dragon, Aspheera, Sora, Arin, Vangelis, Acronix, Krux, Kalmaar, Wojira, Unagami, Omega, Wyldfyre, Mr E and Beatrix should all get a profile of their own using the infos discussed in the CRT
- Nya, Kai and Zane should be upgraded to Universal+
- Post Power Drain Lloyd should be upgraded to 4-C
- Wu should get upgraded to 4-C via the new Star level feats from the Ninjas
- Reborn Garmadon should be upgraded to 4-C, with specification he could go up to 2-C with his full powers
Agree: @LifeRiderthe1 @MrUnderlord (agree with everything except Low 1-C Source Dragon) @Dark-Carioca @Dinoanime7 @Starbrand_Fan (Agrees with everything except Low 1-C Source Dragon) @MKF4 (Only disagree with Low 1-C Source Dragon) @GarrixianXD @DarkDragonMedeus @FinePoint (Agrees with Tier 4 and Tier 2. Neutral on Low 1-C stuff) @TheOrangeGuy09
Neutral: @Grand_Astartes @Qawsedf234 (Agrees with the Tier 2 part, disagree with the Tier 4 stuff) @Agnaa (On Mergequake part, hasn't evaluated anything else)
Disagree: @Alus83 @Jirachi_the_real_93 @Minaaaa @Zacisawesome101
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