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CinnabarManx421 said:
Tsubasa16 said:
Steven shouldn't really scale to the Diamonds, Specially with Blue's attacks since none of them is mean to actually harm him considering how she views Pink, her attacks on him are extremely restricted at best.
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Even tho she hit him seriously in Reunited before she knew he was Pink and he was equally as unhurt?
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It was more of a warning than serious attack.

You have to remember every single Blue Diamond feat in Reunited is extremely restriced, remember that she said she wanted them to suffer instead of just shattering them and be done with it.
 
Even tho she hit him seriously in Reunited before she knew he was Pink and he was equally as unhurt?

She outright admitted she wanted the CGs to suffer at that point, she was dragging things out on purpose there.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Also who wants to make the downgrade for gurren lagann?
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If this is about the ME thing I will legit get to this at some point but I would need to know both the character and key that scale off the result since I don't know the anime

I also may take forever or may get it done immedately who even knows
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yeah no he took hits from a bloodlusted Blue and was only knocked out by a bloodlusted Yellow
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Blue was never really bloodlusted, and again, if you're using Reunited, she was restricing herself on purpose.

About Yellow (i don't think bloodlusted, mostly just angry as she almost always it), you say as if he took her stomp head-on, Steven only didn't die because the shield managed to reduce the impact of the stomp, and even then the shield was utterly destroyed.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Pepper Steven was never hit by their hax, only their AP
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Steven was once hit with a Gem destablizer which did nothing. The destablizer is based off Yellow's ability. If he was hit by Yellow directly he would not get poofed. Possibly paralyzed however.

Also when Blue Diamond used her empathic manipulation, Steven now has notable resistence to it since the reunited episode.
 
I will say I agree wholeheartedly with Steven scaling to the Diamonds. He uses the power of Pink Diamond after all, and the entire series is about him tapping into his true potential. We see that potential in Pink Steven, which nopes pretty much everything White threw at it.

However it is hard to say when he should be considered as peers with the Diamonds. Right now it's very blurry. It's certainly not any time in Seasons 1-4, and Season 5 seems to be building up to but not reaching that point.
 
Steven was once hit with a Gem destablizer which did nothing. The destablizer is based off Yellow's ability. If he was hit by Yellow directly he would not get poofed. Possibly paralyzed however.

Also when Blue Diamond used her empathic manipulation, Steven now has notable resistence to it since the reunited episode.

Yellow never hit him with her electrokinises tho. She ran up and stomped on him and he only got knocked out.
 
@Pepper Cool, Steven took physical and energy attacks from then and harmed them with his own attacks, him scaling has nothig to do with hax
 
Pink Diamond herself was always seen as equal in name with the other Diamonds but in terms of actual strength that is debatable.

Also when Steven first meets Blue and Yellow he admits they're both stronger than him.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Pepper Cool, Steven took physical and energy attacks from then and harmed them with his own attacks, him scaling has nothig to do with hax
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Actually he never directly harms the Diamonds excluding Pink Steven, he mostly just moves/staggers them.

He does block hits on occasion, though.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
I will say I agree wholeheartedly with Steven scaling to the Diamonds. He uses the power of Pink Diamond after all, and the entire series is about him tapping into his true potential. We see that potential in Pink Steven, which nopes pretty much everything White threw at it.
However it is hard to say when he should be considered as peers with the Diamonds. Right now it's very blurry.
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He uses Pink's powers, but that doesn't mean he uses them to the same extend Pink did. Just like how Pink used her powers as Rose Quartz but to a lesser extent
 
I am personally reluctant to scale characters from each other if they are not clearly demonstrated as equal in terms of raw power, and only cause minor inconveniences. It is a common western comicbook convention to be able to do so despite vast power differences.
 
Actually he never directly harms the Diamonds excluding Pink Steven, he mostly just moves/staggers them.

Not even Pink Steven really hurt then, just staggering as well, tho to a much greater extend.
 
Tsubasa16 said:
He uses Pink's powers, but that doesn't mean he uses them to the same extend Pink did. Just like how Pink used her powers as Rose Quartz but to a lesser extent.
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Causing the Gems, Diamonds, and White Diamond to collapse with a gesture as Pink Steven seems like his full potential taps into that quite a bit.

Human Steven even comments that he's hurting them.
 
Also, I have a question, and maybe this is because I don't understand the math, but the calc for the Roaming Eye that hit the Rubies put the KE of the ship at over 6 gigatons, and yet the force it hit the Rubies with was only calced at 218 megatons, why is the force they got hit with so much lower than the actual force of the ship?
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Tsubasa16 said:
He uses Pink's powers, but that doesn't mean he uses them to the same extend Pink did. Just like how Pink used her powers as Rose Quartz but to a lesser extent.
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Causing the Gems, Diamonds, and White Diamond to collapse with a gesture as Pink Steven seems like his full potential taps into that quite a bit.
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That's Steven's potential,Yes, but we have never seen him do that. That was his "Gem" side while his human side was on the verge of death.

I think Possibly High 6-A is fine. But as scaling to the same as the Diamonds themsevles should be up to debate.
 
Pepper14832 said:
I think Possibly High 6-A is fine. But as scaling to the same as the Diamonds themsevles should be up to debate.
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Yeah, I'm not saying he can currently fight the Diamonds, I'm saying it isn't in the realm of fantasy that he can reach that power some day.

Season 5 is more the show saying "yeah, he ca get there, he just isn't there yet".
 
He uses Pink's powers, but that doesn't mean he uses them to the same extend Pink did. Just like how Pink used her powers as Rose Quartz but to a lesser extent.Causing the Gems, Diamonds, and White Diamond to collapse with a gesture as Pink Steven seems like his full potential taps into that quite a bit.
That's Steven's potential,Yes, but we have never seen him do that. That was his "Gem" side while his human side was on the verge of death.

I think Possibly High 6-A is fine. But as scaling to the same as the Diamonds themsevles should be up to debate.

Possibly I can agree with. Now we'll wait for another 2000 years for the movie and Season 6 for ether confirmation or denial.
 
Human Steven even comments that he's hurting them.

I am pretty sure he says it because of they falling hard to the ground since the shockwave that made them fall didn't really do any actual damage to them, or at least to White.
 
eh

why is High 6-A still on the table

The Cluster Quakes?

That calc falsely assumes the earthquakes hit the whole planet.

We agreed Lapis' tower feat was Environmental Destruction from what I gathered.
 
Would it at all be possible for the Diamond Attack to be High 6-A? Assuming that they all 3 hit the planet equally, that could count for High 6-A.
 
I still don't know why High 6-A is being discussed when the two feats that were brought up have issues.
 
Yeah, I'll have to definitely side with Weekly when it comes to Lapis's feat. Environmental destruction is way too nitpicky for my liking, and it's not even a classically environmental destruction-y feat. Even storms are given less scrutiny.
 
The real cal howard said:
Yeah, I'll have to definitely side with Weekly when it comes to Lapis's feat. Environmental destruction is way too nitpicky for my liking, and it's not even a classically environmental destruction-y feat. Even storms are given less scrutiny.
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  • She has never used that much water to attack someone.
  • When using less water, her attacks can be survived by the base Gems, implying she can't exert that much force on smaller areas of water.
Seems like textbook ED to me.
 
I think High 6-A should scale to Diamonds as every other Gem pales in comparison to their power. So logically, they should be capable of exerting more force that Lapis to an insane degree.

That being said, Lapis did that feat using the full extent of her abilities and it should not scale to her using it on a lesser scale.
 
The real cal howard said:
When someone's in control of the world's oceans, we give them High 6-A. When someone is in control of planets, we give them 5-B. Lapis is also stronger than all the other Gems at that. She one-shot Jasper for all it's worth.
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That line of thinking doesn't really make sense.

The concept of ED is that not all largescale feats have combat implications. A character making a storm with an ability unrelated to what they usually attack with doesn't get that for their AP.

We don't scale one attack to every other attack the fighter has for no reason. She isn't implied to have that level of strength when not manipulating such large quantities of water.

I don't remember her one-shotting Jasper. In fact, Jasper seemed perfectly fine after Lapis uppercutting her, and didn't even poof.
 
The real cal howard said:
When someone's in control of the world's oceans, we give them High 6-A. When someone is in control of planets, we give them 5-B. Lapis is also stronger than all the other Gems at that. She one-shot Jasper for all it's worth.
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Not to derail this thread. But then I don't understand why Aquaman isn't High 6-A. (DCEU)
 
We're giving Lapis a Varies tier with High 6-A as her current cap regarding her water manipulating abilities but i see no reason why it should be ED
 
WeeklyBattles said:
We're giving Lapis a Varies tier with High 6-A as her current cap regarding her water manipulating abilities but i see no reason why it should be ED
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Hm.

Actually, I'm fine with that. Lapis being Variable in tier based on her acess to water solves some of my qualms with her feats.

That said, it also means we shouldn't scale her High 6-A feat to every attack she uses, although I would be fine with it being used for the Diamonds.
 
Technically, she should actually be stronger since when she did that she had a cracked gem and was very weak, so she is likely even more powerful than what we've seen, either way I think she'd be higher than the normal gems anyway.
 
Personally, I think that Lapis controlling the water of the world seems like an outlier compared to the other feats in the series. As such, rating it as hax or environmental destruction inapplicable for regular combat purposes seems more reasonable to not get exaggerated results.
 
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