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[Pepper14832]

Lapis' is a gem made to terraform entire planets, I don't see why her tier can't "At least be High 6-A"

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Ant Sapphire created a horizon to horizon blizzard in spain in summer by being sad, Aquamarine was able to restrain Alexandrite with her wand, etc.

Lapis is a glass cannon Gem, plus she exists to terraform planets

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I was thinking of calling it out as an outlier myself, although I was unsure if anyone would be amiable to that.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Ant Sapphire created a horizon to horizon blizzard in spain in summer by being sad

Uh

That feat barely went over Tier 7

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Yeah, Yellow literally states in "What's the Use of Feeling Blue" that, "An army has a use, they can go and fight a war, a Sapphire has a use, she can tell you what it's for. An Agate terrifies, a Lapis terraforms, where's their Diamond when they need her Blue?"

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Variable...I'm actually perfectly fine with. Probably would've suggested that myself if I remembered that we had that tier.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Cool

Lapis exists to terraform planets and is consistently portrayed as a glass cannon, calling it an outlier just because she has higher AP with her water powers than her physical AP and durability is ridiculous

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Also, does anyone wanna fix Aqua's page to scale to Steven? Pretty sure that was agreed upon.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Terraforming with no timeframe isn't a High 6-A feat, though.

Heck, it's in the realm of scientific possibility for us.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Fact of the matter is some Gems are meant to be glass cannons, like Sapphire, Aquamarine, and Lapis. Them having feats with their powers that is higher than their physical feats is fine.

 

[Antvasima]

@Weekly

None of those feats anywhere remotely approach tier High 6-A.

I think that we should either count this as an outlier or not scale it to any character's physical statistics, similarly to how we treat Storm (Marvel Comics).

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Fact of the matter is some Gems are meant to be glass cannons, like Sapphire, Aquamarine, and Lapis. Them having feats with their powers that is higher than their physical feats is fine.

Being a glass cannon doesn't mean you aren't subject to having outliers.

 

[Pepper14832]

Before we even knew Lapis' purpose was to terraform entire worlds by Yellow Diamond we already seen her manipulating the entire Earth's oceans. This is a High 6-A feat and backs up Yellow's statement.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Ant We dont scale Lapis' AP to her physical stats and no one is arguing that we should.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Yeah, Lapis is pretty consistent. Casual High 6-A feat, stated to be a terraformer, and being depicted as being far stronger than most other characters when given access to water makes it perfectly reasonable in my mind.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Ant We dont scale Lapis' AP to her physical stats and no one is arguing that we should.

Ant is talking about scaling it to other people as well.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

TBH I think we can assume a timeframe of a few hours for the feat. It was evening when Steven released Lapis from the mirror and morning by the time they noticed the ocean was gone.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dargoo Malachite directly tanked Lapis crushing her with the entire weight of the ocean for months, alexandrite scales to her

 

[Pepper14832]

Yeah, Lapis is pretty consistent. Casual High 6-A feat, stated to be a terraformer, and being depicted as being far stronger than most other characters when given access to water makes it perfectly reasonable in my mind.

Lapis is also the only Crystal Gem strong enough to temporaily restrain a Diamond that is rated High 6-A. I doubt Amethsyt could do it with her whip.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

TBH I think we can assume a timeframe of a few hours for the feat. It was evening when Steven released Lapis from the mirror and morning by the time they noticed the ocean was gone.

Thats what her current calc already does

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Alright, I cede on it being an outlier.

Variable tier still solves most of my issues with it, so we'll go with that.

 

[Tsubasa16]

Lapis is also the only Crystal Gem strong enough to temporaily restrain a Diamond that is rated High 6-A. I doubt Amethsyt could do it with her whip.

She didn't really actually restrain her, she tried to, yes, but after a while she noticed it was useless so she stopped trying to lol. Blue snapped the chains as if they were made of paper.

 

[Pepper14832]

What about Peridot/Bismuth being possibly High 6-A?

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Also, I have a question, and maybe this is because I don't understand the math, but the calc for the Roaming Eye that hit the Rubies put the KE of the ship at over 6 gigatons, and yet the force it hit the Rubies with was only calced at 218 megatons, why is the force they got hit with so much lower than the actual force of the ship?

Also, anyone have an answer for me on this? The answer's probably really obvious and I'm probably just an idiot but I genuinely don't get how this works.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

She didn't really restrain her, she tried to, yes, but after a while she noticed it was useless so she stopped trying to lol.

? No, Blue broke out and then carpet bombed them. She continues to try throughout the fight but Blue keeps breaking out.

 

[Pepper14832]

Lapis is also the only Crystal Gem strong enough to temporaily restrain a Diamond that is rated High 6-A. I doubt Amethsyt could do it with her whip.

She didn't really actually restrain her, she tried to, yes, but after a while she noticed it was useless so she stopped trying to lol. Blue snapped the chains as if they were made of paper.
She restrained her well enough to stop her Emptahetic Manipulation and let Steven go on a pep talk. I think that's good enough.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Cinnabar For some reason inverse square was used despite it not being an explosion

 

[Sir_Ovens]

While it is true that Lapis controlling all the world's oceans could be considered outlier, it has been consistently shown that if Lapis puts her heart and soul into it, she can do it.

The 2 times she has used the world's oceans have been when she desperately wanted to get back to Homeworld, and when she wanted to keep Jasper at the bottom of the ocean to protect Steven.

These are two examples of Lapis exerting herself to perform tier 6 feats. She very clearly can't do these casually, and I'm certain that given enough resolve, she can perform these feats again.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

What about Peridot/Bismuth being possibly High 6-A?

With prep or what?

 

[Tsubasa16]

? No, Blue broke out and then carpet bombed them. She continues to try throughout the fight but Blue keeps breaking out.

Like i said, she keept trying, but near the end of the fight she stopped trying to (the moment they launch themselves on her)

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

What about Peridot/Bismuth being possibly High 6-A?

The Diamond Ships scaling to anyone but the most powerful fusions and the diamonds is PIS.

Off the top of my head it would just be Alexandrite, Diamonds, Malachite, Obsidian, and the Partially-formed Cluster.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

@Cinnabar For some reason inverse square was used despite it not being an explosion

Should it be recalced then or something?

 

[Tsubasa16]

She restrained her well enough to stop her Emptahetic Manipulation and let Steven go on a pep talk. I think that's good enough.

Blue was more surprised than anything else because Lapis resisted her Empathic Power (which no one at this point had done), and as we saw being surprised sometimes makes their power stop for a bit.

And the "time for pep talk" thing is just the standard for this kind of situation, it almost felt like Blue just stopped to listen since she casually snapped the chains right after Steven was done talking and the chains never held her again for that amount of time, which again proves she was simply surprised.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Sir the former was done while she was weakened with a cracked Gem and the latter was while she was in the middle of a mental battle with Jasper

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Diamond ships should only scale to Obsidian, as even Opal couldn't stop a regular ship.

 

[Pepper14832]

What about Peridot/Bismuth being possibly High 6-A?

With prep or what?

If the Diamond Warships are at least High 6-A for fighting The Cluster in the Diamond Days finale Bismuth, Lapis, and Peridot got slapped by them and didn't get poofed. Is this not a durability feat?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

While it is true that Lapis controlling all the world's oceans could be considered outlier, it has been consistently shown that if Lapis puts her heart and soul into it, she can do it.

The 2 times she has used the world's oceans have been when she desperately wanted to get back to Homeworld, and when she wanted to keep Jasper at the bottom of the ocean to protect Steven.

These are two examples of Lapis exerting herself to perform tier 6 feats. She very clearly can't do these casually, and I'm certain that given enough resolve, she can perform these feats again.

Also, there's a difference between Lapis normally and Lapis with literally the entire ocean. Both those feats she had the entire ocean at her disposal and she only needed significant effort because of outside circumstances. (Her gem being cracked and being fused to Jasper respectively)

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If the Diamond Warships are at least High 6-A for fighting The Cluster in the Diamond Days finale Bismuth, Lapis, and Peridot got slapped by them and didn't get poofed. Is this not a durability feat?

Plot-Induced Stupidity

Outlier

 

[The_Wright_Way]

With prep or what?
If the Diamond Warships are at least High 6-A for fighting The Cluster in the Diamond Days finale Bismuth, Lapis, and Peridot got slapped by them and didn't get poofed. Is this not a durability feat?

They're called outliers friend. They're what allow a 9-A to survive a hit from a High 6-A.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

ehhhh Peridot being 9-A in dura is a bit much, considering Steven is surprised by her durability and Peridot calling her type of gems comparatively more durable to regular gems. I feel like she should at least be as durable as a Ruby.

So, I'm going to make a summarization of the conclusions up to this point, if that's okay. It will take a bit since a lot was discussed.