Ness vs Son Goku ~ The Final Redux

[Therefir]

The final redux of Goku vs Ness. Goku has become much stronger since then.

The fight takes place on an indestructible planet. They start at ten meters away from each other.

Ness: 2 (The real cal howard, Arrogant Schmuck)

Son Goku: 12 (GreyFang82, Geova2507, Stryk3r1337, Poinciana1971, Gargoyle One, Quantu, Dragonmasterxyz, TISSG7Redgrave, Theglassman12, Lightbuster30, DarkDragonMedeus, SomebodyData)

Inconclusive:

Post-Magicant Ness vs Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku. Speed is equalized. Who wins?

 

[GreyFang82]

I have to be honest here, considering how much stronger Goku has gotten here... I think he takes it. Ness's only hope is the Status + One Hit KO but Goku has Ness beat in everything else, Goku likely one-shots even with Ness stacking his Shield twice so I don't think Ness can out last him like he can with others he's fought... Yeah I think Goku takes this because of superior AP and Durability.

 

[Geova2507]

I have to be honest here, considering how much stronger Goku has gotten here... I think he takes it. Ness's only hope is the Status + One Hit KO but Goku has Ness beat in everything else, Goku likely one-shots even with Ness stacking his Shield twice so I don't think Ness can out last him like he can with others he's fought... Yeah I think Goku takes this because of superior AP and Durability.

This ^^^^^

 

[Therefir]

@Geova2507 Are you voting for Goku I guess?

 

[Stryk3r1337]

Goku FRA

 

[Lightbuster30]

Jiren Glares

 

[TheRustyOne]

Goku for reasons above.

 

[Schnee_One]

Goku FRA

 

[Quantu]

'''''Kakarotto FRA'''''

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Goku still gets crippled by paralysis or put to sleep...

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

cal how far is the range of paralysis?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Enough, given that Goku's not one to spam beams and goes in melee. Ness however, uses his PSI to do those things normally. So, like I said the first time, Ness paralyzes him (or puts him to sleep) and wins from there or waits out UI as he's trying to figure out a way to beat Goku and then Goku randomly explodes.

 

[Quantu]

Can Goku just one shot Ness given that's how he beat him in their old 3-A matchup? Since he has gotten considerably stronger since their first Low 2-C matchup

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Goku was literally hundreds of times above baseline back then. Not the case in Low 2-C, where each boost has been unquantifiable.

Don't get me wrong, Goku is hilariously stronger than Ness in this matchup.

 

[Quantu]

But it doesn't matter if he is hundreds of times above baseline or 5 times above, If he oneshots he oneshots. So what I'm trying to figure out is if Goku is above Ness in terms of AP?

Besides, from what we learned, this UI version will stay calm and attack Ness instanty like he did vs Jiren.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yes, Goku is strong enough to heavily cripple, if not outright beat Ness in one attack. Problem is, Goku needs to hit Ness before Ness pulls a Beerus vs Vegeta against him.

 

[Quantu]

"Besides, from what we learned, this UI version will stay calm and attack Ness instanty like he did vs Jiren."

I'm sticking with old Kakarotto here.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

he can air punch doe no?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not when his muscles are too numb to even move. And before anyone says kiai, when has he ever used that in combat?

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

i mean does he do paralysis or sleep of the bat? I just meant he can try that from a certain distance before paralysis and could break ness down

 

[Mania568]

im sure this was mentioned on previous thread about this match, but what stops him by doing explosing wave when everything implies goku learns ki attacks by watching once and he even has them in movies, he might not use it on the anime but it was by the lack of need, to the point he has explosion as ss4 but doesnt on the cannon show, again assuming he doesnt when the author made the movies with him using it, i might be wrong, but its something to consider, not something that needs lots of skills to pull of, it just uses a lot of energy so people avoid doing it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Because doing an explosive wave that would be strong enough to take out Ness (because while shockwaves aren't out of the normal, using them as attacks are) is out of character.

 

[Mania568]

if fhe cant win with anything other than that and he knows how to perform it, you are saying hed rather lose than use it? not in character doesnt mean he wont use it if its his only answer, it was brought in the past with goku and single ki blasts and debunked since if the need arises and nothing else works he will use it.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Ness has skills that can cripple Goku yes. However, they have to first hit. While Goku can certainly not dodge everything, MUI is still very good at evasion. Goku in character does a barrage of shots and so can overpower Ness. Also Ness actually has to use them as well.

 

[Schnee_One]

So let's see.

Ness either uses Paralysis first and hopes it hits and works.

Or Goku dodges and kills him.

Seems simple really:

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

If my comment wasn't clear, I am going for Goku.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

welp goku for dragon's reasoning

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

PSI isn't a projectile, guys...

 

[Quantu]

Whats the vote count? yes ik its a small thread and by the time I finish typing this I couldve counted myself but eh xD

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

we already have 7 votes really.... Then it proceeds to turn into a storm of hell not even MUI can dodge

 

[Quantu]

The last thing Goku needs is more concluded matchups that will never be added-added to the pile tbh

 

[Overlord775]

Didn't MUI get retconned so it is only slitly above GoD tier ?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Probably not. But Goku still has to cross quite a distance (and Goku, while he has IT, doesn't use it instead of rushing an opponent 9 times out of 10) before Ness unleashes an array of PSI attacks that, because they're not projectiles, will hit.

 

[Overlord775]

@Cal didn't Whis say that Goku only surpassed GoD tier as MUI ?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Feats>Statements

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

not that i heard of. Jiren was stated to be above a GoD and MUI kept up and defeated limit-breaker jiren when casual jiren iirc was freaking the GoDs so there is that. I don't think its slightly but its a respectable amount? Even then GoDs are not baseline

 

[Overlord775]

Feats>Statements

em, Goku and Jiren are Low 2-C because of statements

time to dowgrade them to high 3-A ovo

 

[TheRustyOne]

Infinite Zamasu is Baseline for a obvious reason.

The GoDs are stronger then him and so is First UIO Goku.

So Infinite Zamasu<<<Heavily Suppressed Jiren=UIO Goku (First)<<Kefla<=UIO Goku (Second)<<<<<<SSBKKX20 Goku<<GoD Toppo<=Other GoDs<<<Jiren's Full Power<<<Limit Breaker Jiren=MUI Goku<<MUI Goku (Rage Boost)

This all comes from the reactions of everyone to Jiren's Suppressed power.

Beerus was in absolute shock at Jiren's power apporaching GoD level while he was... something with Zamasu. Shin then stated that a Heavily Suppressed Jiren was the strongest enemy.

Vegeta backs this up by saying he's never felt a energy as powerful and heavy as Jiren's.

 

[Theglassman12]

goku should take this for the reasons stated above.

 

[Quantu]

8 votes. This seems to be decisive so maybe it can be added immediately. Unless Cal has any more objections