Necrozoma: Absorbing the light of the universe

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

So it would be removing them from Yveltal, Xerneas, Diancie, etc.?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mhm.

 

[Waka1979]

I agree with removing 5-A. No one uses those keys anyways.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

But now I no longer have a tier 5 soccer team for Pokemon

 

[Waka1979]

I'm just sad this 3-C upgrade happened right after digimon got downgraded

 

[GyroNutz]

While we're here, I kinda wanna remove the "likely/possibly" for those that scale to 50%. It was done for conservatism but it's very blatant that it scales to the Light Trio. They should just be a solid tier.

There's enough evidence to show that Zygarde 50% is half of Zygarde 100%'s power, along with the Necrozma downscaling. I agree with this.

 

[Schnee_One]

There's enough evidence to show that Zygarde 50% is half of Zygarde 100%'s power, along with the Necrozma downscaling. I agree with this.

As for Ultimate's suggestion?

 

[theultimate5105]

I just put 5-B+ because nobody talked about removing it but it makes sense to remove it

 

[GyroNutz]

For mewtwo both seem equally viable so mega mewtwo could be at least 5-B+ likely 4-A+ to 3-C or something like that

This? I think 4-A+, likely 3-C is fair, yeah.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Why removing Tier 5 tho

 

[StrymULTRA]

No one uses those keys anyways.

Tf? Lol, is the opposite

 

[GyroNutz]

Actually yeah, it'd be best to keep the tier 5 removal to a separate thread, and just focus on applying the 4-A/3-C stats

 

[Waka1979]

Fair enough

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Why removing Tier 5 tho

Because as Cal put it, the “Likely” isn’t needed. We have enough to say they definitely scale to the Light Trio.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Tho, I don't agree with "4-A+ likely 3-C" for those who downscale from 50% Zygarde, the gap us pretty solid enough to say just 4-A+

 

[Waka1979]

I mean I think 4-a+ is more accurate too but I think there's enough of an argument to justify the likely bit.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Tho, I don't agree with "4-A+ likely 3-C" for those who downscale from 50% Zygarde, the gap us pretty solid enough to say just 4-A+

Well I disagree for the reasons I have before.

3-C should still be within reach in the scaling. Just no more than a possibly/likely.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean I think 4-a+ is more accurate too but I think there's enough of an argument to justify the likely bit.

Zygarde is baseline 3-C

Mega Mewtwo downscales

So...

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

No, he isn't. Zygarde downscales from Ultra Necrozma, who's 2 to 3x stronger than Base Necrozma, who does the baseline 3-C feat.

 

[theultimate5105]

Zygarde is baseline 3-C

Mega Mewtwo downscales

So...

Zygarde is not baseline

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

50% is only 1.77x baseline, and that’s at maximum.

 

[StrymULTRA]

No, he isn't. Zygarde downscales from Ultra Necrozma, who's 2 to 3x stronger than Base Necrozma, who does the baseline 3-C feat.

Still doesen't change that Mewtwo was knocked out, even if not to the point of make it return to base. The gap is still pretty big.

 

[Waka1979]

But the fact that we don't see mewtwo get knocked out and it doesn't have any visible damage means there's the possibility that it wasn't greatly injured, as unlikely as that is, hence the rating.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Still doesen't change that Mewtwo was knocked out, even if not to the point of make it return to base. The gap is still pretty big.

And I debunked this above. Mewtwo being knocked out (which he then got up from very quickly afterwards) doesn't negate the scaling.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So both Mewtwo and Base Necrozma should be baseline then?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Pretty much. And the 3-C is getting a "Likely" instead of a flat out 3-C rating.

 

[Garchomp777]

Wait, why likely? Is the calc like, not that accurate?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wait, why likely? Is the calc like, not that accurate?

It doesen't work like that. Is coz scaling

 

[Garchomp777]

It doesen't work like that. Is coz scaling

What scaling?

 

[Thelastmlg]

100% zygarde is close to baseline
50% zygarde > mega mewtwo

So they are debating if the gap is big enough to leave at baseline or just high end 4-A

 

[Garchomp777]

How many times below baseline 3-C would mewtwo be? His stats amp could just increase it and current Mewtwo has grown far stronger than before
I think baseline 3-C should be fine

 

[Thelastmlg]

Agreed, strength gaps are arbitrary, i mean in dbz we accept how getting 2x stronger makes you utterly stomp people snd stuff like that, here is a lesser stomp from what i heard so it should be fine as baseline.

Idk how this works tbh, like, would he be 99.99..999% 3-C or what?

Plus, was the necrozma feat casual or something?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Plus, was the necrozma feat casual or something?

Not “casual”, but rather, the feat was performed by Base Necrozma. Ultra Necrozma is a form that’s recognized as being far superior to his base self, so Ultra Necrozmas a good amount above the feat.

Zygarde starts downscaling from Ultra Necrozma.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

So Necrozma will be finally 3-C or do we still need to put together a CRT to show which profiles the upgrades apply to?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I don't think a new thread for that will be necessary since its clear who will be scaling to what.

 

[Garchomp777]

Wait, Mew can transform into tapu koko and Mewtwo is stronger than Mew in base... So... Base mewtwo 3-C?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

No because Mewtwo doesn't scale to Mew's transformations.

 

[LordTracer]

If I’m understanding correctly here, Necrozma, Solgaleo, Lunala and 100% Zygarde would be straight 3-C, and 50% Zygarde and Mega Mewtwo downscale to 4-A+?

 

[Schnee_One]

I’m hearing people agreeing with 4A+ likely 3C but it seems that’s a bit more up in the air

Other then that yeah

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

If I’m understanding correctly here, Necrozma, Solgaleo, Lunala and 100% Zygarde would be straight 3-C, and 50% Zygarde and Mega Mewtwo downscale to 4-A+?

Zygarde and the others are becoming 4-A+, Likely 3-C since the scaling still makes 3-C possible.