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^ pretty much this.
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Necrozoma: Absorbing the light of the universe
- Thread starter Iamunanimousinthat
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Ah, okay. Nice.
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Yeah, something like that.
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Ok all, but
We go by numbers, we can't make an exception here. If is clearly below a character which is baseline, then is just an extremely high tier of the tier before
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Except, we can. Because Zygarde isn't baseline.
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I remember it being like x2.5, then what about making Mega Mewtwo just baseline and call it a day?
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Thats kinda what we were agreeing on. The downscaling makes Mega Mewtwo and the others not named the Light Trio around Baseline 3-C.
And they're getting a "likely" instead of an outright 3-C.
And they're getting a "likely" instead of an outright 3-C.
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That makes non sense, if the gap wasn't that big, then just baseline should be good then.
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So certain Pokémon will join the ranks of 4-As that are borderline 3-C in terms of AP?
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Thing is, the gap was big enough to only temporarly knock out M2, that's why just baseline should be good, as there's not such a massive difference to determine a likely.
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But at the same time, that doesn't mean its 100% meaning its 3-C. Which is why the "likely" is used as it acknowledges the possibility of it being 3-C while also specifying that being absurdly high into 4-A is possible as well.
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Wasn't it approved to be a x2-3 times Necrozma's feat?
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Ultra Necrozma was the one who was approved to be x2-3 times above the feat. Perfect Zygarde downscales from Ultra Necrozma, and 50% is half of perfect.
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They'd get the same thing as Mega Mewtwo, just at a higher end.
Black/White Kyurem >> Reshiram and Zekrom >> Base Kyurem > Genesect, who = Mega Mewtwo.
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Basically the same scaling form Mega Mewtwo.
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I thought at it better, and no, just got confused and I agree with Cal here. If Mewtwo was 3-C, the gap between it and Zygarde would've been too small to let Zygarde knock it like that. Just 4-A+ should be better tbh.
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And again, I already debunked that argument before.
The "gap" between them being lower than 3-C is extremely arbitrary and the fact that 50% Zygarde is higher above baseline due to downscaling from Ultra Necrozma, it still leaves room for 3-C to be in the scaling.
Hence, the "likely" instead of an outright 3-C.
The "gap" between them being lower than 3-C is extremely arbitrary and the fact that 50% Zygarde is higher above baseline due to downscaling from Ultra Necrozma, it still leaves room for 3-C to be in the scaling.
Hence, the "likely" instead of an outright 3-C.
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Barely, is like x1.77, the likely would mean that is likely that Mewtwo is just 1.77 times weaker and is completely nonsense due of how significant the gap is.
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Define "Significant" when in this case, this "gap" was only "big" enough for Mewtwo to be knocked out for, like, a matter of minutes.
And this isn't factoring in Blaine's sync with Mewtwo being exploited by Lysander at the same time.
And this isn't factoring in Blaine's sync with Mewtwo being exploited by Lysander at the same time.
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I mean, dude, you really think that just x1.5 times weaker allows a knock out after such a short time?
Doesen't matter.
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I agree with Kukui, but I'm also OK with either being implemented.
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Why wouldn't it? Again, the knock out being low enough to be dropped out of a tier is very arbitrary, especially when it did no notable damage and Mewtwo got up immediately afterwards in the very next chapter to continue fighting.
Uh, exploiting a link to cause indirect harm to someone kinda very much does matter.
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4-A+ and Baseline 3-C are basically in the same range tho.
Issue is that Mewtwo could barely stop Zygarde physically, with the latter even being able to overpower it.
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Can someone explain where this comes from? Neither Zekrom nor Reshiram’s profiles explain what makes them superior to base Kyurem.
Same thing with 50% Zygarde and Xerneas/Yveltal, there’s no explanation as to why they scale the way they do.
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Which gives more basis to why "likely" is to be used instead of directly going for either or.
I already accounted for this before. We know Zygarde is stronger than Mega Mewtwo at the end of the day. But this isn't evidence of there being any big gap at all.
The "could barely stop" comes before the fact that Blaine and Mewtwos link was already exploited by Lysandre to cause indirect harm to Mewtwo (which is why its Mega Y Evolution form vanished). And between Mewtwo stopping Zygarde's crunch and getting knocked out by a Dragon Pulse in the following chapter, there's more fighting between them off panel, which gives more basis to say Mega Mewtwo isn't that much weaker than Zygarde.
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Well Base Kyurem needs to absorb their power in order to get its Black/White Kyurem forms, so from what I know, it needing their power is the basis for why its weaker.
Zygarde IIRC is for matching both Yveltal and Xerneas, along with the fact that its half of Perfect who's vastly superior to them.
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Doesn't it just give more basis to just 4-A+?
I mean, just a Dragon Pulse after a Crunch shouldn't be able to knock out with just x1.5 difference
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That... doesn’t necessarily mean it’s weaker though.
Wouldn’t that mean Zygarde is stronger than them and not slightly weaker like the profiles say?
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Well for one, it was just a single Dragon Pulse. Lysandre told Zygarde to use Dragon Pulse "once more" before the knockout happened, which indicates that Zygarde already used the move against Mega Mewtwo off panel and it didn't do anything of the sort between then. Which is viable since Blaine getting hit with the move is an attributing factor to Mewtwo getting knocked out.
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Maybe but it can be argued the other way too seeing as Base Kyurem is the form he takes when losing the sum of it's parts.
IIRC that part needs to be removed. Someone here, I could've sworn, debunked this part of the justification.
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Still doesen't make the situation any better, 2 attacks can't knock out with just x1.5 difference
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And again, what's the basis for this in the first place? Why can't it?
This is being arbitrary about the small difference between them, and all over a knockout that barely did anything to Mewtwo all together.
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How can such a minor difference in strength cause such a major impact in a physical contest?
It really is that simple, sure, you can strike a weak point with with a physical blow and knock someone out, but Zygarde overpowering Mewtwo physically doesn't match that
It really is that simple, sure, you can strike a weak point with with a physical blow and knock someone out, but Zygarde overpowering Mewtwo physically doesn't match that
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What major impact? Thats not what im seeing here.
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Especially when it was stated that the X form focused on physical strength
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That’s fair, although I don’t really see how it would inherently make Zekrom/Reshiram superior as opposed to just comparable. Plus Kyurem is stated to have power that surpasses the two, but it’s bound by the extreme cold.
Okay, cool.
