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Post First Timeskip Lightning Flame Dragon Mode Natsu
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Who wins and why?
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Natsu Dragneel vs. Gray Fullbuster
- Thread starter SuperKamiNappa
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Post First Timeskip Lightning Flame Dragon Mode Natsu
Post First Timeskip Devil Slayer Gray
Who wins and why?
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Natsu he would have better control of his LFDM while Gray just got his Devil Slayer magic
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Gray doesn't even know that Natsu is END and that's silver who has waaayyyy more experience in using Ice Devil Slayer Magic compared to Tartarous Gray who just received the power and it showed that Natsu was still his equal even after he received the power and it might not work as effectively since you don't even know if Natsu is a Full Demon you can't even say 2nd timeskip Gray is superior I'm sticking with NatsuNachi117 said:
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So it's LFDM Natsu vs Ice Devil Slayer Gray? Probably a tie. Natsu's LDFM attack did nothing on Mard Geer, while Grau injured him with his IDS magic. Even though IDS magic wo'nt be so effective against Natsu, Gray's power-up was quite big, so i think it's a draw.
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IDS Will be super effective against Natsu considering his true race (artifical human made from mixing demon etherious with child corpse that got Dragon powers) Natsu is weak both to demon and dragon slaying (as some parts of his organs were described as dragon like)
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Natsu is weak to dragon slaying magic and ice-demon slaying magic... since when? Has it ever been stated? For all we know, Natsu is different to the other Etherious. Demon Slaying magic might not be more effective to him, than let's say Laxus. I get that line of thought, but until it is shown that Natsu takes more damage than a normal human by demon slaying magic, then we can't assume that Gray has an advantage like this.
But the other one, that Natsu is weak to dragon slaying magic is very inaccurate. Not true at all. 1st of all, all dragon slayers have dragon like organs and body constitution, since that's what their magic does. Overuse of this magic turns you into a dragon. But, Dragons themselves are not weak to dragon slaying magic, like demons are to demon-slaying magic, as it has been implied in the series. Actually, dragon scales, or skin, or whatever, is just strong enough to shrug off all attacks, bar dragon slaying magic. Dragon slaying magic, is actually the magic the dragons use. It was named dragon slaying by humans who used it to slay dragons. But the thing is that dragon magic=dragon slaying magic. It's not that dragons are weak to their magic, it's just that only this type of magic can actuaaly hurt them.
Also, one more thing. Natsu has fought numerous Dragon Slayers. He defeated all of them. If he was truly weak to DS magic he would have been killed many times during the series. Only one battle between Dragon Slayers has been concluded by ones death and that was God Serena vs Acnologia. But in that case, Acnologia would have actually killed anyone, not just God Serena.
But the other one, that Natsu is weak to dragon slaying magic is very inaccurate. Not true at all. 1st of all, all dragon slayers have dragon like organs and body constitution, since that's what their magic does. Overuse of this magic turns you into a dragon. But, Dragons themselves are not weak to dragon slaying magic, like demons are to demon-slaying magic, as it has been implied in the series. Actually, dragon scales, or skin, or whatever, is just strong enough to shrug off all attacks, bar dragon slaying magic. Dragon slaying magic, is actually the magic the dragons use. It was named dragon slaying by humans who used it to slay dragons. But the thing is that dragon magic=dragon slaying magic. It's not that dragons are weak to their magic, it's just that only this type of magic can actuaaly hurt them.
Also, one more thing. Natsu has fought numerous Dragon Slayers. He defeated all of them. If he was truly weak to DS magic he would have been killed many times during the series. Only one battle between Dragon Slayers has been concluded by ones death and that was God Serena vs Acnologia. But in that case, Acnologia would have actually killed anyone, not just God Serena.
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It was stated that only Dragonslayers could damage dragon, it even worked vs Dorma Anim (Mystogan stronger than Wendy at given time coundt leave a scrath on it while she could slighly damage it). It also was shown that it has bigger impact on Acnologia during Tenrou island arc (well none of attacks damged him but combined roar moved him slightly)
"Dragon Slayer Magic is the only way to kill, or even hurt Dragons, who are shown to be mostly unaffected by other forms of Magic" (extract from FT wiki)
In slayer vs slayer case that weakness is irrevelnat isnt it? As both combatants are just having lesser dura/bigger ap for such a fight.
Additionaly it can be seen that any dragon slayer couldnt rally damage actual dragon but they were much closer to achieve that than other stronger mages. That bonus is quite small or Dragons are just so many leagues above. In case of Mard Geer the additional effect was shown very straight. It was first hit to actually do smoething. Only Natsu Dragon force could really damage Mard compred to Gray casually freezing his arm with unnamed attack.. However it may be true because Dragons are >>>>>>Etherious..
"Dragon Slayer Magic is the only way to kill, or even hurt Dragons, who are shown to be mostly unaffected by other forms of Magic" (extract from FT wiki)
In slayer vs slayer case that weakness is irrevelnat isnt it? As both combatants are just having lesser dura/bigger ap for such a fight.
Additionaly it can be seen that any dragon slayer couldnt rally damage actual dragon but they were much closer to achieve that than other stronger mages. That bonus is quite small or Dragons are just so many leagues above. In case of Mard Geer the additional effect was shown very straight. It was first hit to actually do smoething. Only Natsu Dragon force could really damage Mard compred to Gray casually freezing his arm with unnamed attack.. However it may be true because Dragons are >>>>>>Etherious..
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Natsu did actually set up the final blow for Natsu and Grey vs Mad geer. Grey never would have gottten the final shot in if Mad Geer was moving. So saying Natsu did nothing its very noticable you didnt catch the part where Mad Geer couldnt fight back against Natsu's only part Dragonized form.
Its still funny that Tartarus guild didnt know Natsu is their guild leader already reborn.
Its still funny that Tartarus guild didnt know Natsu is their guild leader already reborn.
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It was in Tartarous that Gray who gained Ice Devil Slaying Magic and Natsu was still equal to Gray in Tartarous who if he overuses IDSM he starts to demonize while Natsu has more experience using LFDM and since Gray doesn't even know any Secret Arts, Natsu can still empower his previous ones therefore Natsu wins due to experience P.S. you can always click "quote" under someones reply to direct it to themNachi117 said:
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It was in Tartarous that Gray who gained Ice Devil Slaying Magic and Natsu was still equal to Gray in Tartarous who if he overuses IDSM he starts to demonize while Natsu has more experience using LFDM and since Gray doesn't even know any Secret Arts, Natsu can still empower his previous ones therefore Natsu wins due to experience P.S. you can always click "quote" under someones reply to direct it to them
You do know right Silver was able to freeze Natsu so why wouldnt Gray be stronger.
That was SILVER who has better control, experience and more than likely stronger than Gray at the moment Unless Gray froze Natsu then it doesn't count as a feat for Gray like for example when Igneel fired his FDR which is absolutely stronger than Natsu's just because it's the same magic doesn't mean they are automatically as strong as the predecessor Gray Tatarous arc = no experience in Ice Devil Slayer mode Natsu Tartarous = Massive experience in LFDM thus Tartarous Natsu LFDM > Tartarous Gray IDSM
You do know right Silver was able to freeze Natsu so why wouldnt Gray be stronger.
That was SILVER who has better control, experience and more than likely stronger than Gray at the moment Unless Gray froze Natsu then it doesn't count as a feat for Gray like for example when Igneel fired his FDR which is absolutely stronger than Natsu's just because it's the same magic doesn't mean they are automatically as strong as the predecessor Gray Tatarous arc = no experience in Ice Devil Slayer mode Natsu Tartarous = Massive experience in LFDM thus Tartarous Natsu LFDM > Tartarous Gray IDSM
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You do know right Silver was able to freeze Natsu so why wouldnt Gray be stronger. That was SILVER who has better control, experience and more than likely stronger than Gray at the moment Unless Gray froze Natsu then it doesn't count as a feat for Gray like for example when Igneel fired his FDR which is absolutely stronger than Natsu's just because it's the same magic doesn't mean they are automatically as strong as the predecessor Gray Tatarous arc = no experience in Ice Devil Slayer mode Natsu Tartarous = Massive experience in LFDM thus Tartarous Natsu LFDM > Tartarous Gray IDSMHst master said:
Hiro has already shown multiple times that even if you dont know how to use it it can be powerful and OP AF. Like the first time Natsu LFDM'ed
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It was in Tartarous that Gray who gained Ice Devil Slaying Magic and Natsu was still equal to Gray in Tartarous who if he overuses IDSM he starts to demonize while Natsu has more experience using LFDM and since Gray doesn't even know any Secret Arts, Natsu can still empower his previous ones therefore Natsu wins due to experience P.S. you can always click "quote" under someones reply to direct it to themYou do know right Silver was able to freeze Natsu so why wouldnt Gray be stronger. That was SILVER who has better control, experience and more than likely stronger than Gray at the moment Unless Gray froze Natsu then it doesn't count as a feat for Gray like for example when Igneel fired his FDR which is absolutely stronger than Natsu's just because it's the same magic doesn't mean they are automatically as strong as the predecessor Gray Tatarous arc = no experience in Ice Devil Slayer mode Natsu Tartarous = Massive experience in LFDM thus Tartarous Natsu LFDM > Tartarous Gray IDSM
Hiro has already shown multiple times that even if you dont know how to use it it can be powerful and OP AF. Like the first time Natsu LFDM'ed
But he's even more powerful in it thanks to experience unlike Gray who just used it dead out of the pan which in case would be weaker
Hiro has already shown multiple times that even if you dont know how to use it it can be powerful and OP AF. Like the first time Natsu LFDM'ed
But he's even more powerful in it thanks to experience unlike Gray who just used it dead out of the pan which in case would be weaker
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You do know right Silver was able to freeze Natsu so why wouldnt Gray be stronger.That was SILVER who has better control, experience and more than likely stronger than Gray at the moment Unless Gray froze Natsu then it doesn't count as a feat for Gray like for example when Igneel fired his FDR which is absolutely stronger than Natsu's just because it's the same magic doesn't mean they are automatically as strong as the predecessor Gray Tatarous arc = no experience in Ice Devil Slayer mode Natsu Tartarous = Massive experience in LFDM thus Tartarous Natsu LFDM > Tartarous Gray IDSMHiro has already shown multiple times that even if you dont know how to use it it can be powerful and OP AF. Like the first time Natsu LFDM'ed But he's even more powerful in it thanks to experience unlike Gray who just used it dead out of the pan which in case would be weakerHst master said:
Experince does not win its perserverance and the ability to keep dishing out huge amounts of power while in pain.
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Gray damage Mard more than DF Natsu only because Devil Slayer magic cheat agains demons. So it's mean DS Gray = Base Natsu in 791 so it's mean that LFDM Natsu > DS Gray
