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Well then, here we go. First of all, let's introduce some terms for the conditional designation for this thread:
1) Our Universe is a kind of cosmic structure mentioned by the Demon-God Raum, which includes, at least, all parallel and adjacent worlds located inside the Nasuverse.
2) The Outer Universe is a structure that is located outside of parallel and adjacent worlds. Little is known about cosmology, but at least there are higher dimensions inside this Outer Universe, the seas of which are ruled by Cthulhu (but we'll talk about it a little bit later).
'- Even if there are universes outside our own, you have no means of reaching them, and no attunement to them.
- Indeed. But by sheer, mad coincidence, I won't have to reach it myself. Humans, Zepar. Humans have already taken care of everything. Happily, a fictional mythology describing the fever dreams of a single man just so happened to also describe a higher being from the outer universe.' - Demon-God Raum and Demon-God Zepar
Now we understand one VERY important thing: Cthulhu Mythos in Nasuverse exist as well as in the real world: they were written by Lovecraft at the beginning of the twentieth century and at the same time describe a higher being from another universe. This tells us two things: first, we can use the Cthulhu Mythos to refer to the cosmology of the Lovecraft universe inside the Nasuverse, and second, the entire outer universe is an Outer God, who is called All-in-One, One-in-All, and this guy acts not just as the outer universe, but also as our universe:
'...The Outer God is...the god of the great gate...and the key. The six doors...up, down, left, right, front, and back...represent all possible...dimensions. And...this Outer God... ...is enshrined beyond the ultimate gate... The outside of our universe...where light can never reach. But despite that...he also borders all possible dimensions...and is tied to all possible things.' - Lavinia describing Yog-Sothoth
The scans show that the following is said: Yog-Sothoth IS a great gates that represents all possible dimensions, Yog-Sothoth is enshrined outside of the universe and Ultimate Gate, Yog-Sothoth borders all possible dimensions and tied to everything;
the Ultimate Gate acts as something that has not yet been described completely: all that we know that this thing is outside of all possible dimensions and Yog, despite encompasses Ultimate Gate just as all other Gates, resides beyond it. In addition, Abigail Williams, with her NP, opens a portal not beyond the Ultimate Gate, but to them, cause she acts as guardian of this gate:
'...Moving beyond the sleep of roses, the realm of dreams, we arrive at the final gate!;
Those Who Guide: A
A servant of the otherworldly God who guards the ultimate gate. When one bearing the silver key arrives at the gate, she offers them their final trial.'
In addition to words of Demon-God Raum we also have words of Kiara about Outer God:
'It may not be my place to say this, but...a Foreigner?
My understanding is that consorting with Servants of that sort is dangerous.
And I sense something especially sinister from that Abigail girl. A remote universe beyond even the Buddha's reach... I cannot help but to be intrigued...
Oh, no, I am absolutely not saying that because I am envious of her swimsuit that absolutely screams "cute!"' - Kiara (Assassin) about Abigail (Summer)
And now the most interesting thing begins: the intersection of two universes and their rules. Summer Abigail introduced us to a dream world called Dreamlands. Based on what we saw in the Servant summer camp 2020, we can say that this world exists outside the physical universes (Parallel Worlds and the Outer Universe), thereby connecting them. That's also why Prelati could access the Outer Universe through his dreams and write his spellbook and that's why Cthulhu wished to access Our Universe through Ritsuka dreams. That's tells us that Dreamland must be much larger and a level higher than physical existence in order to connect two separate universes. By the way, the laws of the Our Universe do not allow Outer Gods to manifest themselves in the world personally.. Which we will also return to a little later, since this is a separate topic.Here's a description of this dream world:
'The world surrounding the target is smoothly transformed.
The target is invited to a world of dreams without being aware of its boundaries.
Those who witness the true form of the world hidden on the other side of everyday life with its overwhelming resolution and mass, lose their fighting spirit and will even struggle to maintain their ego.' - Abigail (Summer) NP description
Moreover, we also have to remember that just arriving at the Ultimate Gate (that exist beyond even the Dreamlands) is already a phenomenon that bound by no limits:
'...As it is a phenomenon bound by no limits, it would normally be considered an Anti-World Noble Phantasm.' - Abigail NP description
However, we know that only Yog-Sothoth resides beyond Ultimate Gate unlike other Outer Gods:
'And...this Outer God... ...is enshrined beyond the ultimate gate...'
Well, let's return to the laws of Our Universe, which do not allow outer gods to freely manifest in the universe. Do you remember that Yog-Sothoth is both outer and our universe? Well, he isn't only one who ignores that rules. Another funny guy is Nyarlathotep, who freely manifest himself and gave powers to BB. At the same time, Cthulhu and other low-power Outer Gods can't manifest themself as Yog and Nyarl. That leads us to conclusion that true Outer Gods is things that can ignore basic rules of Our Universe. However, the cases of Yog-Sothoth and Nyarlathothep are different: Yog-Sothoth, being an entity that encompasses everything within itself (which is very important, since it doesn't say something like "Everything in existence" or "Everything within [limitation by any term]"), also contains the limiting rules, while Nyarlathotep, being an entity lower in its powers than a Yog-Sothoth, is still able to ignore these limiting rules.
And now all of this leads us to question "What about the Root?" And the answer is... We have no piece of info about that. All that we know, that Root is supreme force all over the dimensions within Our Universe, but it wasn't said anything about Outer Universe.
So now we will discuss what is so strenuously cited as an example, specifically the statements of Gilles de Rais. he said that Outer Gods not conceptually or metaphysically indestructible and that they posses flesh. Well, that's true for guys like Cthulhu cause we know that he trapped within the Sunken Spiral Castle of the Abyss (refers to R'lyeh) that located somewhere in seas of dimensions of Outer Universe. We need to understand that Prelati's Spellbook is text that Cthulhu contained and that spellbook refers to R'lyeh Text. However, we know almost nothing about Nyarlathotep and Shub-Niggurath tiers and what they are truly is. But despite that we know what is it Yog-Sothoth and this guy very poorly fits the words Gilles de Rais, so it can be argued that Gilles de Rais' statements concern only those Outer Gods about which he has an understanding thanks to his Prelati's Spellbook.
@CrimsonStarFallen @Apeironaxim @ImmortalDread @Pokemonfan807 @Veloxt1r0kore @Maxeez
1) Our Universe is a kind of cosmic structure mentioned by the Demon-God Raum, which includes, at least, all parallel and adjacent worlds located inside the Nasuverse.
2) The Outer Universe is a structure that is located outside of parallel and adjacent worlds. Little is known about cosmology, but at least there are higher dimensions inside this Outer Universe, the seas of which are ruled by Cthulhu (but we'll talk about it a little bit later).
'- Even if there are universes outside our own, you have no means of reaching them, and no attunement to them.
- Indeed. But by sheer, mad coincidence, I won't have to reach it myself. Humans, Zepar. Humans have already taken care of everything. Happily, a fictional mythology describing the fever dreams of a single man just so happened to also describe a higher being from the outer universe.' - Demon-God Raum and Demon-God Zepar
Now we understand one VERY important thing: Cthulhu Mythos in Nasuverse exist as well as in the real world: they were written by Lovecraft at the beginning of the twentieth century and at the same time describe a higher being from another universe. This tells us two things: first, we can use the Cthulhu Mythos to refer to the cosmology of the Lovecraft universe inside the Nasuverse, and second, the entire outer universe is an Outer God, who is called All-in-One, One-in-All, and this guy acts not just as the outer universe, but also as our universe:
'...The Outer God is...the god of the great gate...and the key. The six doors...up, down, left, right, front, and back...represent all possible...dimensions. And...this Outer God... ...is enshrined beyond the ultimate gate... The outside of our universe...where light can never reach. But despite that...he also borders all possible dimensions...and is tied to all possible things.' - Lavinia describing Yog-Sothoth
The scans show that the following is said: Yog-Sothoth IS a great gates that represents all possible dimensions, Yog-Sothoth is enshrined outside of the universe and Ultimate Gate, Yog-Sothoth borders all possible dimensions and tied to everything;
the Ultimate Gate acts as something that has not yet been described completely: all that we know that this thing is outside of all possible dimensions and Yog, despite encompasses Ultimate Gate just as all other Gates, resides beyond it. In addition, Abigail Williams, with her NP, opens a portal not beyond the Ultimate Gate, but to them, cause she acts as guardian of this gate:
'...Moving beyond the sleep of roses, the realm of dreams, we arrive at the final gate!;
Those Who Guide: A
A servant of the otherworldly God who guards the ultimate gate. When one bearing the silver key arrives at the gate, she offers them their final trial.'
In addition to words of Demon-God Raum we also have words of Kiara about Outer God:
'It may not be my place to say this, but...a Foreigner?
My understanding is that consorting with Servants of that sort is dangerous.
And I sense something especially sinister from that Abigail girl. A remote universe beyond even the Buddha's reach... I cannot help but to be intrigued...
Oh, no, I am absolutely not saying that because I am envious of her swimsuit that absolutely screams "cute!"' - Kiara (Assassin) about Abigail (Summer)
And now the most interesting thing begins: the intersection of two universes and their rules. Summer Abigail introduced us to a dream world called Dreamlands. Based on what we saw in the Servant summer camp 2020, we can say that this world exists outside the physical universes (Parallel Worlds and the Outer Universe), thereby connecting them. That's also why Prelati could access the Outer Universe through his dreams and write his spellbook and that's why Cthulhu wished to access Our Universe through Ritsuka dreams. That's tells us that Dreamland must be much larger and a level higher than physical existence in order to connect two separate universes. By the way, the laws of the Our Universe do not allow Outer Gods to manifest themselves in the world personally.. Which we will also return to a little later, since this is a separate topic.Here's a description of this dream world:
'The world surrounding the target is smoothly transformed.
The target is invited to a world of dreams without being aware of its boundaries.
Those who witness the true form of the world hidden on the other side of everyday life with its overwhelming resolution and mass, lose their fighting spirit and will even struggle to maintain their ego.' - Abigail (Summer) NP description
Moreover, we also have to remember that just arriving at the Ultimate Gate (that exist beyond even the Dreamlands) is already a phenomenon that bound by no limits:
'...As it is a phenomenon bound by no limits, it would normally be considered an Anti-World Noble Phantasm.' - Abigail NP description
However, we know that only Yog-Sothoth resides beyond Ultimate Gate unlike other Outer Gods:
'And...this Outer God... ...is enshrined beyond the ultimate gate...'
Well, let's return to the laws of Our Universe, which do not allow outer gods to freely manifest in the universe. Do you remember that Yog-Sothoth is both outer and our universe? Well, he isn't only one who ignores that rules. Another funny guy is Nyarlathotep, who freely manifest himself and gave powers to BB. At the same time, Cthulhu and other low-power Outer Gods can't manifest themself as Yog and Nyarl. That leads us to conclusion that true Outer Gods is things that can ignore basic rules of Our Universe. However, the cases of Yog-Sothoth and Nyarlathothep are different: Yog-Sothoth, being an entity that encompasses everything within itself (which is very important, since it doesn't say something like "Everything in existence" or "Everything within [limitation by any term]"), also contains the limiting rules, while Nyarlathotep, being an entity lower in its powers than a Yog-Sothoth, is still able to ignore these limiting rules.
And now all of this leads us to question "What about the Root?" And the answer is... We have no piece of info about that. All that we know, that Root is supreme force all over the dimensions within Our Universe, but it wasn't said anything about Outer Universe.
So now we will discuss what is so strenuously cited as an example, specifically the statements of Gilles de Rais. he said that Outer Gods not conceptually or metaphysically indestructible and that they posses flesh. Well, that's true for guys like Cthulhu cause we know that he trapped within the Sunken Spiral Castle of the Abyss (refers to R'lyeh) that located somewhere in seas of dimensions of Outer Universe. We need to understand that Prelati's Spellbook is text that Cthulhu contained and that spellbook refers to R'lyeh Text. However, we know almost nothing about Nyarlathotep and Shub-Niggurath tiers and what they are truly is. But despite that we know what is it Yog-Sothoth and this guy very poorly fits the words Gilles de Rais, so it can be argued that Gilles de Rais' statements concern only those Outer Gods about which he has an understanding thanks to his Prelati's Spellbook.
@CrimsonStarFallen @Apeironaxim @ImmortalDread @Pokemonfan807 @Veloxt1r0kore @Maxeez
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