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Nasuverse Discussion Board 20

Paul Frank said:
Yikes I can't help then sorry
I need to get friends with Skadi so I can do double Skadi with my Jack
I use 20 tix and 200+ SQ.....didn't get her....
 
That's my experience trying to get Saber Shiki,Sitonai and Summer BB

I got my Skadi with 3 sq though
 
I am pretty sure all of the servants who fought the demon gods who govern the trash heap need "possible resistance to power null" since everything that is described about the place heavily implies power nullification and they may even need resistance to will power manip as well, and the ones who are divine definitely need resistance to power null since it is outright stated that the place has a field that cuts off influence of the divine.
 
Also, why are we assuming Goetia's Ten Crown works differently from BB when we don't do that with anyone else?
 
Ten Crowns: A skill that bears the same name as the one BB possesses. However it's unknown whether or not they have the same effects.

From the page.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Guys, I was discussing with someone on how Nega Summon works and we disagreed.

Nega-Summon: A skill that negates and demolishes any attack from Servants by completely nullifying their Noble Phantasms through invulnerability, invalidation, absorption and reduction. It's effective against any Noble Phantasm owned by the Servants recorded in the Throne of Heroes with the exception of Solomon's Ars Nova.

I was arguing because it specifies that it demolishes Servant's attacks by nullifying their Noble Phantasms and that it repeats again that it works on any Noble Phantasm recorded in the Throne of Heroes, it's something that only works on Servants. Because a Noble Phantasm and being recorded in the Throne of Heroes is something only Servants have. I felt like my argument was supported by the fact that it only talks about Servants and not any of the other beings in Nasuverse that are strong, such as the TYPES, Divine Spirits, or the higher tier Phantasmal Beasts. He argued that Servants would be equalized to everyone because of SBA but I disagree because there are plenty of other abilities on this wiki that only work on a certain thing (such as Dragon Slayers working on Dragons specifically and Holy things working on demonic/dark things) that aren't equalized to everyone by SBA. I wanted to know what you guys thought about this.

Edit: I know this is a name fallacy on it's own but I also thought that the name of the skill being Nega Summo aso has the implication of it only working on Servants.
bumping this for more opinions
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
You know my opinion on that already. Also, let me reminder you that Nega Saver doesn't only work on Savers
I mean a hero is someone who saves someone.
 
Between Master and Servant or just in general?

Both

How many Servants have shown enough general telepathy for them all to have it?
 
In apocrypha alone theres over a dozen instancrs of servants using telepathy to both talk to their masters and to talk to each other
 
@Iapitus

Nega-Saver:

A skill of a Beast that had the potential to become a Saver-class Servant but chooses to only care about their own pleasure. As a result, the special passive skills of anyone recognized as a saint or enlightened one are negated and resistance to her charming and mind manipulation plummets while her victims remain in her presence. In addition, the effectiveness of all skills that bolster her powers increases dramatically.

Nega Saver if it was described like Nega Summon:

Code:
A skill of a Beast that had the potential to become a Saver-class Servant but chooses to only care about their own pleasure. As a result, the special passive skills of any Servant that was recognized in the Throne of Heroes as a saint or enlightened one are negated and resistance to her charming and mind manipulation plummets while her Servant victims remain in her presence. In addition, the effectiveness of all skills that bolster her powers increases dramatically.
 
Why do we even have the 10 rings listed as seperate things when we don't know the canon effects and know what he can do with them as a collective
 
And yeah, she was able to create a nightmarescape of london in the fight against jeanne and seig where she forced them to witness hundreds of children being murdered over and over again, she demonstrated full control over this area, and both astolfo and charon could no longer sense seig after he had been trapped in it
 
@Yobo

I agree. The other uses of 10 crowns have been the same as BB's just on a modified scale. There is no reason to assume his is any different
 
WeeklyBattles said:
And yeah, she was able to create a nightmarescape of london in the fight against jeanne and seig where she forced them to witness hundreds of children being murdered over and over again, she demonstrated full control over this area, and both astolfo and charon could no longer sense seig after he had been trapped in it
Can't you can still sense people that are in RWs since Rin kept sending Shirou mana while he was in his?

Was it described as a RM? It could be something else. I agree that the technique should be added on her page though.
 
It's not a Noble Phantasm or a Skill Jack has and is not mentioned in any Material or in FGO, basically she did it once and it's never metion again, beats me if such a thing should be added.
 
@Iapetus can't we just use the effects each ring has in game but generalize them for the profile?
 
Oh, another thing for Goetia. Shouldn't he be capable of using Prellati's Illusionism, thus further solidifying his reality warping?
 
I meant like generalize the effects for the p&a

For instance, powernull via the 2nd ring statistics reduction via rings 3 5 and 7, invincibility via the 8th ring immunity to status effects via the 9th ring (by cleansing them) etc
 
So, what are we gonna do about Ten Crowns

@Iapitus

Isn't Preilati's magic from Belzeboul tho
 
Probably change it to BB's, but we should probably get a staff member's opinion on that because Ten Crowns is no joke as an ability goes

Oh shit, I forgot about that part
 
What's the difference between FGO Ten Crowns and CCC Ten Crowns, because this looks like the former.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
book Dantès is clearly said to have jet black hair so Avenger Edmond's design is obviously trash
I doubt there's more then 5 servants in all of the Nasuverse who look like their historical/mythological counterpart
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
BB holds back using the previous lol
So the only difference is she weakened it voluntarily rather than some sort of self-modification, right?
 
It's one of his passive skills

In the game it negs class advantage when he is king of humans
 
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