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Nasuverse Discussion Board 17

I was referring to her almost instantly killing Gawain with a casual attack. After KH blocked his sun boosted strike that's when Gawain said "wtf he's as powerful as the Lion King" he didn't say "he's as powerful as the Light of Judgement" so he's clearly referring to her powerlevel and not the power of the Light of Judgement/Rhon.

It doesn't make sense to scale an attack with firepower that is equal or above the strongest Noble Phantasms to KH's physical stats.
 
I know we talking another issue, but Lancer Diarmuid need the swords that Saber Diarmuid uses on his profile. Gen stated that he could use the swords, but chose not to for the sake of his class
 
Questions 14: Is the reason Lancer didn't bring Moralltach and Beagalltach this time also because he (Kayneth) didn't listen to his wife? Would Beagalltach even be of use this time? [ Ireland ┬À Pig of Ben Bulben ]

Gen: Diarmuid is a nice guy who can read a situation. It would be a bit too much to bring out a sword as a Lancer. This time there was no advice from the wife. At the most she's just a fiancé. To Kayneth, that is.

(On mobile, so excuse it if the format may have gotten messed up)
 
Seems to be contradicted in the Fate/Zero material.

"In battle, he wields two Noble Phantasms: the Crimson Rose of Exorcism (Gae Dearg) which temporarily nullifies the effects of magical energy, and the Yellow Rose of Mortality (Gae Buidhe) which inflicts cursed wounds that cannot be healed by any means. "

"Also, while he was summoned as a Lancer this time, and therefore carried the twin demonic spears Gae Dearg and Gae Buidhe, his legends also speak of a pair of demonic swords: Moralltach and Beagalltach. So, there was actually a decent chance he could have been summoned as a Saber."
 
That doesn't seem like a contradiction, it more just seems like Gen was explaining why he didn't use them, when other heroes that wield multiple weapons can pull them out even when they're not in that class container.
 
Ramesses the Sun King said:
Seems to be contradicted in the Fate/Zero material.
"In battle, he wields two Noble Phantasms: the Crimson Rose of Exorcism (Gae Dearg) which temporarily nullifies the effects of magical energy, and the Yellow Rose of Mortality (Gae Buidhe) which inflicts cursed wounds that cannot be healed by any means. "

"Also, while he was summoned as a Lancer this time, and therefore carried the twin demonic spears Gae Dearg and Gae Buidhe, his legends also speak of a pair of demonic swords: Moralltach and Beagalltach. So, there was actually a decent chance he could have been summoned as a Saber."
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That doesn't contradict. It says he carries the spears because he is a Lancer. That's doesn't mean he can't use his swords just means that he doesn't. Gen, in the quote I provided, is essentially saying this is a choice. They aren't sealed or anything, he just doesn't use them.

Saber Gilles could pick up his book and use his magic at any time, but he never would in character. Its the same with Diarmuid. He presumably would not draw his spears when summoned as a Saber either
 
Gen in that Quote seems to be making a joke about Diarmuid's wife not giving him advice based on old discussions on BL. The actual mats only says that he has two nps as well.

Plus if Diarmuid could whip out his swords as a Lancer you'd think that Lancer Diarmuid would do that in Saber Diarmuid's interlude instead of needing Saber Diarmuid to take control of his Saint Graph to do it.
 
Ramesses the Sun King said:
It doesn't make sense to scale an attack with firepower that is equal or above the strongest Noble Phantasms to KH's physical stats.
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He's a Grand Servant in this scenario is he not? That automatically puts him on a qualitative level above any normal Servant
 
He is a Grand Servant yes. That's due to their Saint Graphs being higher than normal Servants, to the point of being able to stomp A ran Servants like Gawain. It doesn't mean that their Saint Graphs gives them enough power to deliver normal attacks on par with the strongest nps of Servants.
 
What contradicts the word of Merlin?

Merlin knows Rhon. Merlin knows its power. Gawain does not. Like you said, he only got hit by a casual attack. Bediverse got his info from Merlin, and I'd trust the Grand Caster over Gawain.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
What contradicts the word of Merlin?
Merlin knows Rhon. Merlin knows its power. Gawain does not. Like you said, he only got hit by a casual attack. Bediverse got his info from Merlin, and I'd trust the Grand Caster Candidate over Gawain.
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The fact that Merlin never said that King Hassan could easily defeat the Lion King? Serenity said it and Bedivere backed her up by talking about his death hax not his raw power. The only comparison we got of his power was when Gawain compared him to the Lion King.
 
Servants should IMO have a lot more resistances from things like only being slowed by Jack's mist which can corrode and poison normal people, not being instantly killed by Serenity's poisons which can instantly kill normal people, not being instantly killed by Loptr which holds Authority over all life due to not being true life, not being soul ripped by Goetia, etc etc.
 
Well just make a CRT, I think most people here would agree. There's already a CRT for the mages anyway.
 
Just watched Gilgamesh getting nom'd. That scene with the Shadow appearing all over Fuyuki should warrant an increase in her range, shouldn't it? At least several kilometres. Maybe Teleportation too, depending on how we interprate the Shadow appearing all over the place at approximately the same time.
 
I kinda want to see a Berserker version of Shirou with Body of Swords as an NP that gives him an hp per turn demerit in exchange for giving a good chance to give random debuffs per attack.
 
Ahh, yes. The one with the oppai Liz.

Caster Shirou from the Prillyaverse would be cool too, yeah. We need a Shirou for all classes.

Saber Shirou is Muramasa, obviously.

EMIYA and EMIYAlter are Archers.

Lancer Shirou would be the "Jam it in!" guy.

Caster Shirou is from the Miyuverse.

Berserker is Body of Swords.

Assassin Shirou would be Shirou in a trench coat with a sniper rifle.

Rider Shirou would summon Tohsaka as his NP. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Caster 5* Zelrich Scwienorg ( second magic master)

Code: 
Np : He who see all and observes all World at once. Deck (QAABB)
Skills Unlimited mana production Ex Outside knowledge A~Ex Magical Girl creation Ex

Passive Item construction Ex Territory creation Ex Vaparism c-( gains 3% np charge every turn)

Code: 
Caster 4*
Rin Tohsaka (Second practitioner of second magic) Np: she who saw the truth. Deck (QAABB)

Code: 
Skills
Jewel Magecraft A~EX Unlimited Mana supply A Cheerful Magical Girl C~A (depends on which Kaleid Stick she uses)

Passive skills Flow of Mana A Item Construction B+~A+ Financial Problems A (A curse that decreases any master or servants luck and skills when associated with her and increases her parameters and wealth gain)

Great hidden Skill: Tohsaka Thighs and An*s are Great and defenseless Ex
 
Ramesses the Sun King said:
Gen in that Quote seems to be making a joke about Diarmuid's wife not giving him advice based on old discussions on BL. The actual mats only says that he has two nps as well.
Plus if Diarmuid could whip out his swords as a Lancer you'd think that Lancer Diarmuid would do that in Saber Diarmuid's interlude instead of needing Saber Diarmuid to take control of his Saint Graph to do it.
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I get that part, but that is a seperate thing to him having access to his swords. The mats not having NP that they hadn't thought of yet has happened before in fate. This is neither the first nor the last time this has happened

There are many cases of PIS and CIS, and this is easily another one. I have not encountered the interlude yet, if you have the link, would you mind sending that over?
 
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