Narutoverse Scaling: Kazekage Rescue Mission - Pain's Assault arcs

[KingTempest]

We're not talking about unrelated things M3X, we're talking about their AP and Dura.
We're referring to Newton's 3rd Law and seeing if it works with these striking feats.

And no, we didn't do nothing, we have a perfectly fine scaling chart throughout everybody from all of these arcs we're discussing. We've discussed who scales to what, we even have the links to the feats.

All we're waiting for is the feats and the profiles in Tracer's sandbox and a calc that gets evaluated that doesn't bring too low results (like KN4's Bijuudama) and such.

But you're right, it's unnecessary at the moment, so @Metalija and @Omimi, we can drop the striking and dura discussion for now. I agree with Damage and that we should work on something that's easier until the profile sandboxes are done

 

[M3X_2.0]

Tracer sandbox

The one where all characters are 7-B+? No, you guys don't have a scaling or a sandbox. Even if you do have one, it's heavily incompleted. Everything needs to be redone.

 

[KingTempest]

1. Sakura: Physically stronger than Naruto and Kakashi
2. Kakashi:
   1. Part 1: Matched Shark Bomb with Kisame
   2. Part 2: Fought Hidan hand in hand
   3. Blocked Kakuzu's lightning style
3. Neji destroys 30% Kisame's Water Sphere
4. 6th Gate Might Guy violates 30% Kisame
5. All the Sannin scale to each other
6. Gaara's sand scales above Deidara's dura and his AP (crushed his arm, tanked his explosions)
7. Kankuro and Temari scale to Sakon/Ukon and Tayuya
   1. Sakon/Ukon and Tayuya scale above Kidomaru (those 2 are the 2 strongest in the sound 4)
   2. Kidomaru scales above KN0 Naruto (Neji states Kidomaru is the strongest opponent he's ever fought, including KN0 Naruto)
8. Sasuke > KN3 Naruto, scales to Itachi.
   1. Chapter 364 cover page shows CS2 and KN3, so maybe those forms
9. Non enhanced Suigetsu scales to Partially transformed Jugo (they clashed twice)
10. Hidan and Kakuzu scale to Kakashi and Asuma (fought them hand in hand)
    1. Hidan cut off regular Kakuzu's arm and fought Kakashi hand in hand
    2. Kakuzu kicks Kakashi into a tree.
11. Kakuzu tanked Choji's spiked roll.
12. Obito can block Suigetsu's blade with his bare arm.
13. Sasori can harm Sakura with iron sand.
14. Deidara can hurt CS2 Sasuke with large explosive clay
15. Kisame's main feats are in the next arc so we'll discuss that later
16. Itachi scales to Hebi Sasuke, w/ Susanoo he scales above Hydra Orochimaru for cutting his heads off
17. Konan scales to Obito by destroying his arm
18. Pain scales to Sage Mode (10x+ Base) Jiraiya

add this to your list if u agree
19. part2 kn0 scale to 30% itachi
20. kn0 physical ap> Deidara's dura
1 2 3 4 5
and 6
remember rasengan didn't hurt him since he use substitution jutsu to replace himself with a clone
+Deidara was hurt by naruto punch

I agree the sandboxes can be redone, but to say that nothing has been done in these 15 pages is blasphemy, since we've had a shit ton of debates about over 20 feats, how to scale, what to take into consideration, and so on

 

[LordTracer]

The one where all characters are 7-B+? No, you guys don't have a scaling or a sandbox. Even if you do have one, it's heavily incompleted. Everything needs to be redone.

Oh hell yeah, 7-B+ Sound Four uwu

 

[BlackeJan]

I honestly think their just should scale to their physicals. Isshiki chakra is stronger then both Naruto and Sasuke and he was throwing out kicks and punches and doing amazing damage to them even though they transformed. Thats a prime example that their chakra lvl should scale to their ninjutsu's for the exception (ofc) with a few of them

 

[KingTempest]

Bro, did you forget that base Naruto kicked Isshiki?

Let's not bring Boruto into this, plus I don't even think he got solid hits in on them.

Rock Lee's chakra level isn't even close to Naruto and pre TS Lee could smack him around.

Scaling chakra w/ other uses of chakra is just, wrong

 

[BlackeJan]

Im bringing it up because Isshiki is the reason how chakra lvl = power. Im giving an example using him now wanting to start something. I mean there are more evidence as well but yeah

Imma be honest but with what Isshiki proved and this shit about Lee (yes I knew about his chakra lvl) makes me want to go to Kishimoto and fight him however there is still the amount of chakra + chakra control = power so imma assume is Lee is a taijutsu master when he's NOT using chakra but if someone else had chakra and fought like him then Lee would lose

 

[KingTempest]

Blackejan, try to start a conversation w/ me about this topic (hover above my name and press start conversation). We've already derailed this thread too much.

 

[fandom_100th_Hokage]

Iirc in the weekly run pain was stated the strongest Akatsuki member and at fp to have powers that surpass sage Naruto.
He could take hits from v2 6tails Naruto whom should be superior to sage Naruto.
And was stated unstoppable compared to Tsunade twice and obito called him unstoppable however that one is more contentious.
zetsu also stated sage Naruto is superior to ms sasuke at the time purely based on the fact pain was defeated. Ms Sasuke scaling to A and B.
Akatsuki members are stated superior to jinchuriki but in pairs beyond Bijuu in the databook.
pain with his other paths usually fights bijuu and his deva path at fp should surpass all of them.
Then theres the entire saiken thing. Which it should go along with unless there’s gonna be anime profiles.

 

[KingTempest]

Strength ≠ AP. Powers ≠ Strength.
He did not take a single hit from him. The fight went like this.

• Naruto transformed and breaks seal.
• Naruto rushes him, Pain uses Almighty Push and gets shoved back with the recoil and sent flying.
• Naruto charges a bijuudama and Pain uses a jutsu to pull it, but it missed Pain.
• Pain survives the explosion (or whatever part of the explosion hit him) and ran away.
• KN6 Naruto follows and Pain uses Chibaku Tensei.
• KN6 is on the edge of the Chibaku Tensei, when he goes KN8 he digs himself out of that small bit.

Throw away the anime confrontation, he didn't take any hits.

Unstoppable can just be ability wise and that no one that they know of can handle 6 pains, mind you, Obito was the same one warning him that he better not fail him.

Sasuke got manhandled by B and only scales to A from cutting attacks and Amaterasu.
Jinchuriki pre war arc are trash.

• Alive Roshi got manhandled by Kisame who KCM Naruto bullied with one punch, then Edo Roshi burnt him.
• Pain got kicked around by Sage Naruto, KCM Naruto should be superior off of statements, and Utakata's bubbled threw him around.

Anime profiles are useless, there needs to be a huge change from versions to get different profiles, check out the Xeno Gohan thread.

 

[KingTempest]

@Damage3245 what do you have in mind for the lifting strength?

 

[Damage3245]

Wrath of Itachi has a large number of Lifting Strength calcs gathered together. A new thread will likely be made for the topic of Lifting Strength so that all character's profiles can be improved (since most of them have little to no justifications for lifting strength).

 

[BlastX]

Anime profile aren't off the table given all the movies, filler stuff and differences from the manga, Dragon Ball got anime profiles for that same reason.

At the very least you can make a profile for Naruto's anime version.

 

[Metalija]

Lets not talk about anime for now

 

[BlastX]

Probably for the best, that can be done for the far future

 

[KingTempest]

Wrath of Itachi has a large number of Lifting Strength calcs gathered together. A new thread will likely be made for the topic of Lifting Strength so that all character's profiles can be improved (since most of them have little to no justifications for lifting strength).

Gotcha.

In the mean time, I'll made another sandbox just to get this stuff going so we can move on to lifting and speed.

 

[LordTracer]

Yeah why don’t we put AP on pause for a little bit and sort out LS and speed?

 

[KingTempest]

That'll be good, I have no issues w/ putting this thread on pause until we get those 2 sorted out.

 

[Metalija]

Lets do it.

 

[KingTempest]

All in favor? I'll make the new thread if we agree to it.

Also, should it be Lifting and Speed in 1 thread? Or split it up into 2 separate threads.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

All in favor? I'll make the new thread if we agree to it.

Also, should it be Lifting and Speed in 1 thread? Or split it up into 2 separate threads.

At the rate we're going, we need to focus on one thing at time so we go on less Tangents and Rants.

 

[LordTracer]

I think they should be different threads. I imagine LS will be easier, so let’s close this thread and do that first.

 

[Damage3245]

We're only going to do Lifting Strength in one thread.

I'll check with Wrath of Itachi to see if he wants to write the OP for it.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Just a heads up guys.

I'd REALLY appreciate it if you all leave speed alone for the time being. I'm working on quite a big CRT regarding speed, and a few members are helping me (including potentially one or two staff members).
I know you don't really have to wait, but I'd sure as hell appreciate it.

 

[KingTempest]

AP And Dura is on hold now.

Damage is checking in w/ Wrath to see if he wants to start the lifting.

UchihaSlayer and some others working on speed.

So until Wrath replies, go crazy

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Now, did I ever tell you guys how Lord Itachi stomps Juubidara?

 

[KingTempest]

Tier 0 Itachi has been put on hold for far too long

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Tier 0 Itachi has been put on hold for far too long

PREACH, BROTHER!!

 

[Damage3245]

@KingTempest; if you want to have some fun, try and put together a compilation of all explicit Striking Strength feats from the beginning of Shippuden through to the war.

It'd be good to have a huge compilation to examine - even if most of them will be predictably mediocre.

 

[KingTempest]

@KingTempest; if you want to have some fun, try and put together a compilation of all explicit Striking Strength feats from the beginning of Shippuden through to the war.

It'd be good to have a huge compilation to examine - even if most of them will be predictably mediocre.

VS Battle homework, I'll see what I can do.

 

[Damage3245]

If you put them in a sandbox, I'll help you out and add what I can find.

 

[KingTempest]

Yk what, I'm bored.

I'll do both striking, cutting, and piercing attacks just to get everything.

I'll do the striking first though.

 

[KingTempest]

Progress

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Nice. So Lifting strength for now?
The thread spiraled in so many directions it was a bit hard to keep up

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah we're gonna move on lifting strength.

Damage and Wrath got lifting,
UchihaSlayer and some got speed,
I got striking.

But the thread after this is gonna be lifting strength.

 

[M3X_2.0]

You are a monster Tempest

 

[KingTempest]

You are a monster Tempest

I try

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Progress

"Sakura slams iron sand (not clear)" that's just Sakura dodging/ being pulled away by Chiyo

What about KN4 Naruto ripping Orochimaru in half?

 

[KingTempest]

"Sakura slams iron sand (not clear)" that's just Sakura dodging/ being pulled away by Chiyo

What about KN4 Naruto ripping Orochimaru in half?

Noted and revised

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Noted and revised

Maybe you should note that Sakura only punched a stationary Iron Sand Block