Naruto Uzumaki vs Ash Ketchum

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ash retains his MFTL reactions

That's not ash I think.... He would have FTL reaction probably

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah he can send out a lot of pokemon at once but he might get overwhelmed by naruto's clones, Also once Naruto gets overwhelmed he'd go into KCM 1 and by then I think he'd be able to hit the real ash and win, First off KCM 1 is a speed amp so he will be faster than ash's pokemon, His chakra arms give him better mobility and maneuverability, He can predict his opponent's next move so the chances of him getting hit while trying to take out the real ash is unlikely. Also when its speed equalized and the other character gets an amped he gets an amp relative to how much faster the amped speed was to his un equalized self? If so then he'd be way faster, Sage naruto is MHS+ and kcm 1 is at least sub-rel

Amps are something the Pokémon can perfectly do in all the stats, meaning they can still have the upper hand in stats. Plus yeah there's the full range, I said the Pokémon center thing as an example.

 

[StrymULTRA]

That's not ash I think.... He would have FTL reaction probably

Ye, he'll still have FTL reactions here.

 

[Razor]

So does naruto have any wincons? Ash would be reacting to all of his attacks with his ftl reactions, pikachu negs shadow clone spam and ash's pokemons are also stronger than naruto

 

[Razor]

That's not ash I think.... He would have FTL reaction probably

Was supposed to say FTL not MFTL my bad

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Actually never mind only the faster character will have the multiplier reduced... Tho ash did have the faster reaction speed so I'm not sure

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

• The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
  • Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.

 

[StrymULTRA]

• The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.
  • Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.

It doesn't cover the slower in combat and higher in reactions, so I'll assume Ash has his reactions just fine.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Probably fine but asking someone is safer

 

[Razor]

Yeah from what I can understand the only person getting his speed reduced is the normally faster one

 

[Rez]

It doesn't cover the slower in combat and higher in reactions, so I'll assume Ash has his reactions just fine.

It covers everything except for stat amps and decreases

 

[Loyd]

whats the rule regarding reactions? pretty sure the match won't work if ash has reactions far greater than naruto

 

[Razor]

It covers everything except for stat amps and decreases

It says that only the faster character is getting reduced tho

 

[Razor]

whats the rule regarding reactions? pretty sure the match won't work if ash has reactions far greater than naruto

Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It covers everything except for stat amps and decreases

Ash had the faster reaction speed before speed equal... Does that mean his reaction will be reduced to the same multiplier or equalized?

 

[Rez]

Ash had the faster reaction speed before speed equal... Does that mean his reaction will be reduced to the same multiplier or equalized?

I think it will be equalised

 

[Razor]

Naruto had better movement speed but ash had better reaction speed, Will ash be lowered to naruto's reaction and naruto lowered to ash's movement or only one?

 

[Rez]

Naruto had better movement speed but ash had better reaction speed, Will ash be lowered to naruto's reaction and naruto lowered to ash's movement or only one?

I think the former will happen

 

[Razor]

Hmm alright, I still stick to my vote for ash (if this isn't a stomp)

I think the former will happen

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It would be quite unfair tho if ash's reactions gets equalized

 

[Razor]

It would be quite unfair tho if ash's reactions gets equalized

imo its the opposite, Superhuman vs Superhuman with FTL reactions

 

[Rez]

It would be quite unfair tho if ash's reactions gets equalized

How? Anyway voting Ash fra

 

[Loyd]

how much faster would Ash's Reactions be? this could go both ways depending honestly

 

[Razor]

how much faster would Ash's Reactions be? this could go both ways depending honestly

I think it gets down to naruto's which is I think mhs, So both have superhuman movements with MHS reaction

 

[Regice]

Shouldn't this match be Ash's pokemon vs naruto? How is he allowed to kill Ash?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

How? Anyway voting Ash fra

Because if the faster reaction speed gets equalized he would be at a disadvantage or get downgraded speed everytime in speed equal even tho the character has faster reaction speed

 

[Popted2]

just want to say that Naruto can use his summoning too
and has analytical prediction

 

[Rez]

Because if the faster reaction speed gets equalized he would be at a disadvantage or get downgraded speed everytime in speed equal even tho the character has faster reaction speed

The whole point of speed equalising is to make sure both characters have same speed by this logic I can say this match is unfair for Naruto because his movement speed is being downgraded despite being faster

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

analytical prediction

Danger sense... So he can predict movement by sensing very fast making him see or sense where they might move.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The whole point of speed equalising is to make sure both characters have same speed by this logic I can say this match is unfair for Naruto because his movement speed is being downgraded despite being faster

Not the same thing... They are still equal... If ash gets equalized while having the faster reaction and not keeping the reaction is unfair since that's .... I can't explain it but I know it is unfair...

 

[Razor]

Shouldn't this match be Ash's pokemon vs naruto? How is he allowed to kill Ash?

No? Its naruto vs ash, not naruto vs all of ash's pokemon. I think the question should be why is he not allowed to kill ash? I don't see anything in the rules that contradicts him being able to kill ash, Ash is ash, If he manages to kill ash he wins, His pokemon are there to aid him not to become more targets that naruto needs to kill to win

 

[Razor]

Not the same thing... They are still equal... If ash gets equalized while having the faster reaction and not keeping the reaction is unfair since that's .... I can't explain it but I know it is unfair...

Superhuman vs superhuman with FTL reactions seems pretty unfair to me

 

[Rez]

Not the same thing... They are still equal... If ash gets equalized while having the faster reaction and not keeping the reaction is unfair since that's .... I can't explain it but I know it is unfair...

If you can't give a proper explanation for your reasoning then it's most definitely wrong

 

[Razor]

just want to say that Naruto can use his summoning too
and has analytical prediction

Wait he can summon gamabunta and the other frog dudes? Aren't they 6-C?

 

[Razor]

No? Its naruto vs ash, not naruto vs all of ash's pokemon. I think the question should be why is he not allowed to kill ash? I don't see anything in the rules that contradicts him being able to kill ash, Ash is ash, If he manages to kill ash he wins, His pokemon are there to aid him not to become more targets that naruto needs to kill to win

Also sorry if this sounded aggressive

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

No? Its naruto vs ash, not naruto vs all of ash's pokemon. I think the question should be why is he not allowed to kill ash? I don't see anything in the rules that contradicts him being able to kill ash, Ash is ash, If he manages to kill ash he wins, His pokemon are there to aid him not to become more targets that naruto needs to kill to win

I think pokemon will defend ash and get out from the pokeball themselves

Superhuman vs superhuman with FTL reactions seems pretty unfair to me

You are talking about this match up.... Not in general

 

[Rez]

Wait he can summon gamabunta and the other frog dudes? Aren't they 6-C?

How in character is it for him to use his summons

 

[Razor]

I think pokemon can will defend ash and get out from the pokeball themselves

You are talking about this match up.... Not in general

Yeah, I was just denying the fact that naruto killing ash isn't a wincon, I'm aware that they are there to defend himself

Idk, I feel like its fair, It def isn't fair to lower one's movement speed to another person and then not do the same for the other person

 

[Razor]

How in character is it for him to use his summons

I'd say he'd use it if he gets pressed, Its def not a forgotten move in his arsenal that he just uses in a specific situation, He used it before entering the fight with pain, if ash summons his pokemon naruto might summon toad too, I think he uses it if he's against multiple people he didn't use it against sasuke in the final valley fight so maybe he doesn't use it in 1v1s He used it against the pains and he also summoned gamabunta's son in the war, Its not a right off the bat move but he will use it

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Think of it like this... Someone has FTL movement vs Superhuman movement... That FTL movement gets equalized and so does his reactions speed even tho it's higher than his movement speed... That's nearly the same thing that's happening here... to me at least