Naruto Uzumaki vs Ash Ketchum

[Razor]

Think of it like this... Someone has FTL movement vs Superhuman movement... That FTL movement gets equalized and so does his reactions speed even tho it's higher than his movement speed... That's nearly the same thing that's happening here... to me at least

I cant understand but were derailing, we should probs stop

 

[Loyd]

how many pokemon can ash summon or is it just pikachu?
in character/lore wise how many has ash used at once?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

how many pokemon can ash summon or is it just pikachu?
in character/lore wise how many has ash used at once?

If I remember correctly all of them can if ash gets in danger

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Why's everyone arguing about Naruto and Ash and their speed when Ash isn't the one fighting?

It's either Ash's Pokemon that get their speed equalized to Naruto or Naruto's speed that gets equalized to Ash's Pokemon.

After that just scale Ash's to reactions to his Pokemon's Speed or Naruto's Speed.

 

[Rez]

how many pokemon can ash summon or is it just pikachu?
in character/lore wise how many has ash used at once?

6 at once but since the op didn't specify a team idk

 

[Popted2]

Wait he can summon gamabunta and the other frog dudes? Aren't they 6-C?

well Ash himaself has 6-C dura and the pokemons so why not?

and these are his analytical predicticions
(Can sense attacks without directly seeing them, allowing him to dodge appropriately and can detect targets over great distances),(He can sense incoming danger and dodge accordingly)
, Emotion Detection (Can sense hatred and other forms of negative intents and emotions), Analytical Prediction (He can predict the next move of his opponent by sensing their negative emotions),

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

6 at once but since the op didn't specify a team idk

Just go with the High 7-A Notable Pokemon in Ash's Profile

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

well Ash himaself has 6-C dura and the pokemons so why not?

and these are his analytical predicticions
(Can sense attacks without directly seeing them, allowing him to dodge appropriately and can detect targets over great distances),(He can sense incoming danger and dodge accordingly)
, Emotion Detection (Can sense hatred and other forms of negative intents and emotions), Analytical Prediction (He can predict the next move of his opponent by sensing their negative emotions),

Yee presence sensing and danger sensing...

Danger sense... So he can predict movement by sensing very fast making him see or sense where they might move.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

What are the win conditions for both?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What are the win conditions for both?

Find them

 

[Razor]

Why's everyone arguing about Naruto and Ash and their speed when Ash isn't the one fighting?

It's either Ash's Pokemon that get their speed equalized to Naruto or Naruto's speed that gets equalized to Ash's Pokemon.

After that just scale Ash's to reactions to his Pokemon's Speed or Naruto's Speed.

Ash is the combatant, he has his pokemon to aid him, wouldnt his pokemon count in the equalization as well?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ash is the combatant, he has his pokemon to aid him, wouldnt his pokemon count in the equalization as well?

Depends if ash is the slower or faster character...

 

[Razor]

Depends if ash is the slower or faster character...

both, he has faster reactions but slower movement

 

[Loyd]

Oh man matches with summons are also aids i learnt that the hard way, if its just pikachu naruto stomps after a quick skim thrs 10 6? notable pokemon that can viably be summoned on his page.

wincons

Naruto's pretty crafty and going by pains fight its more in character here, Naruto starts with rasen shuriken whether they block or dodge really won't matter cause they don't know it expands or the dura neg properties.

naruto spams shadow clones that surround and rush > whether Ash's pokemon has the aoe like pains shinra tensei to knock them all out and survive idk.

but the evaporating clones makes a smoke field(or naruto can use smoke bombs) surprise ash with a clone in the air or spam more and transform them into pebbles
bait his pokemon out or wait for the right moment to gang rush.

 

[Razor]

naruto spams shadow clones that surround and rush > whether Ash's pokemon has the aoe like pains shinra tensei to knock them all out and survive idk.

Pikachu has tens of kilometers of range, as for the rest of your points the pokemon supporters might have a counter idk

 

[Loyd]

Pikachu has tens of kilometers of range, as for the rest of your points the pokemon supporters might have a counter idk

can pikachu fire that lightning like pains shinra?

 

[Razor]

can pikachu fire that lightning like pains shinra?

uhhh idk, I just got that from pikachu's profile (the tens of kilometers range)

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Pikachu has tens of kilometers of range

Range is not Area of Effect

 

[Razor]

Range is not Area of Effect

oh yeah myb

 

[Loyd]

the other pokemon blocking made that aoe not a feat for pikachus aoe and a lightning charge sounds like a bad idea when naruto surrounds them with mass shadow clones and rushes ash from all directions.

 

[Popted2]

Naruto for Loyd reasons

 

[Popted2]

the other pokemon blocking made that aoe not a feat for pikachus aoe and a lightning charge sounds like a bad idea when naruto surrounds them with mass shadow clones and rushes ash from all directions.

don't forget he can use his summonings and anaytical predict too

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Ash is the combatant, he has his pokemon to aid him, wouldnt his pokemon count in the equalization as well?

Tell me who is doing the literal fighting Ash or the Pokemon?

Ash is just a spectator issuing commands to his Pokemon

 

[Razor]

Naruto FRA too

 

[Loyd]

Tell me who is doing the literal fighting Ash or the Pokemon?

Ash is just a spectator issuing commands to his Pokemon

its Ash and his pokemon gang but Naruto is allowed to attack ash i think.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Ash's Notable Pokemons'

Combat Speed: Varies from Relativistic up to FTL.

Lifting Strength: Varies from as low as Class 100, Class M (Majority), up to Class T.

 

[Razor]

Tell me who is doing the literal fighting Ash or the Pokemon?

Ash is just a spectator issuing commands to his Pokemon

So are you saying that ash should still have superhuman speed and FTL reactions while naruto and his pokemons just get equalized? if so that just makes it easier for naruto to kill ash

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

its Ash and his pokemon gang but Naruto is allowed to attack ash i think.

I know that already but it's Ash's Pokemon who are the ones doing the actual fighting not Ash, so the speed that should matter should be the Pokemon and Naruto as they're the ones directly interacting.

Ash should just scale to whatever speed his Pokemon would scale under speed equalization.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So are you saying that ash should still have superhuman speed and FTL reactions while naruto and his pokemons just get equalized? if so that just makes it easier for naruto to kill ash

.......

 

[Razor]

I know that already but it's Ash's Pokemon who are the ones doing the actual fighting not Ash, so the speed that should matter should be the Pokemon and Naruto as they're the ones directly interacting.

Ash should just scale to whatever speed his Pokemon would scale under speed equalization.

So we equalize the speed of naruto and pokemon then equalize ash to whatever the speed they are all on after speed equalization? Speed equalization equalizes to the slowest character, so either you dont treat ash as a combatant so he wouldn't scale to his pokemons and naruto's speed cause like you said he isn't a combatant or you do treat him as one and you equalize to him as he is the slowest. I really dont get what you're trying to say here

 

[Loyd]

you guys can work that out, so long as Ash doesn't get the massively greater reactions then naruto my point still stands.

 

[Razor]

From what I can understand you want to equalize naruto and the pokemon's speed then equalize ash to the speed they got equalized too which isn't how it works cause ash is slower than them, and speed equalization says the speed gets equalized to the slowest character.

 

[Razor]

Wait does all of this matter? Either way they'd all be equal in speed, Either the speed they have is the equalized speed of naruto and pokemon or ash. regardless they're all equal no matter which one you choose, so nothing would change

 

[Popted2]

yeah everyone would be speed equalized

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Then why was there a discussion about how Ash would retain his Reaction Speed Advantage even under Speed Equalization?

 

[Razor]

Then why was there a discussion about how Ash would retain his Reaction Speed Advantage even under Speed Equalization?

Confusion. Thats why, We were confused if his reactions would get equalized, But thats been cleared up

 

[Loyd]

Then why was there a discussion about how Ash would retain his Reaction Speed Advantage even under Speed Equalization?

pretty sure we concluded it a couple of posts back but you bought it up again.

also just to clarify my point, in sage mode i think he can have like 5 clones max? awkward. but OP clarified he has access to kcm1 so maybe kyuubi chakra lets him spam possibly

and if in character ash uses his entire arsenal of pokemon thrs to many variables for me to consider, so good luck guys.

 

[Razor]

also just to clarify my point, in sage mode i think he can have like 5 clones max? awkward. but OP clarified he has access to kcm1 so maybe kyuubi chakra lets him spam possibly

I think thats for clones that has sage mode activated, I dont think thats for regular shadow clones

 

[Loyd]

I think thats for clones that has sage mode activated, I dont think thats for regular shadow clones

Apparently ash already has the 2x Durability against Sage mode naruto so jumping Ash with tons of normal clones eh.