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Are you still able to agree with the topic? If so, I'd like to see an explanation for the 2-C on the back, I'm kind of confused.
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Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm Profiles ARE DONE (kind of)
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Well, I've just read it all and I agree with it, it does seem true that the verse reaches low 2-CPart 3 of this: https://vsbattles.com/threads/databooks-naruto-ultimate-ninja-storm-profiles-crt-2-5.138372/
This took way longer than I expected, but considering work, university and moving around, and the fact that I had to go through all 5 games including side missions, around 10 hours per game, I think I did a decent job.
So far I was able to make sandboxes for Naruto and Mecha-Naruto
However, the issue here is that for Naruto, we need calcs for the some of Naruto's keys including AP, Speed and Lifting Strength, these are the feats, though not all of them need to be calced, only the ones that look calc worthy.
The next discussion is for the High and God Tier feats, namely for Naruto's Storm 3, 4 and Road to Boruto key. In which case, we have databook statements.
All sources are taken from the V-Jump Magazine
Mecha-Naruto
Let’s start with the game-only character, Mecha-Naruto. As he is a good starting point for the High Tiers considering his battle with KCM2 Naruto. His base state is nothing too special, he is somewhat comparable to Base War-Arc Naruto. It’s his Kyubi Mode that is worth discussing.
On 4 separate occasions, Kyubi Mode was stated as being a threat to the Ninja World. Stated twice by himself and was backed up twice by the other Kage. This likely isn’t a flowery language, as the only times that “Threat to the Ninja World” is brought up, is when they brought up the God Tiers. An example:
This isn’t to say that he is on those levels, but his statements are backed up by other characters in the game, so it shouldn’t be dismissed. This is likely where we can give a High 6-A rating, since even after some time has passed, the planet is still in one piece, so it could be referring to Surface Wiping at most. With Mecha-Kurama surpassing that as Mecha-Naruto believed no one would stand a chance against him. Naruto is able to defeat Mecha-Kurama after using KCM2 so Naruto would be High 6-A as well or 646.57 Petattons as the Wiki’s accepted value for Surface Busting.
Madara and Hashirama
A supporting feat for the previous brought-up case. Alive Madara and Hashirama’s battle is described as Earth Shattering, which based on the scaling to Kyubi Mode and Mecha-Kurama, can be interpreted as High 6-A as well, but it’s even higher. Be aware that just half the Nine-Tails are able to battle Mecha-Kurama, and Madara used full power Nine-Tails, so the value is doubled to 1.29 Exatons. And then multiply by 2 for the Majestic Attire Susano’o since that is the one who is being referred in the scan, and you get 2.58 Exatons or High 6-A+. And all this is nothing in comparison to the Ten-Tails.
The Ten-Tails
(Top left) The above source states that the Juubi in the past created the world, this is backed up by the fact that in Madara’s story, people worshipped the God Tree (which is the Juubi), most logical conclusion would be they also believed that God Tree was responsible for creating the world, hence why they worship it. This would be outright 5-B and the feats performed and statements later on would prove it.
Juubito
The scan has another supporting feat for the Juubi who is stated to lead to the end of the world. Obito is stated to have absorbed all of the Ten-Tails chakra, which should make him 5-B, but only when he is serious (his Truth Seeking Arms). KCM2 Sage Mode Naruto and Curse Mark Susano’o Sasuke are able to break these arms of his, so they should scale, but it doesn’t end there. (Top left) It is stated that his Sword Of Nunoboko in just one swing, can lead the ninja world to complete destruction. This is used in countering Majestic Attire Susano’o, a form that combines Naruto and Sasuke’s power, meaning Obito’s sword would be 2x Planetary or 118.88 Zettatons
Juubidara
No surprise here, just like the manga, he’s much stronger than Juubito, which would place him > 118.88 Zettatons. (Bottom right) It states that after attaining a Rinnegan and Six Paths power, Madara can destroy the Ninja World, and also mentions Might Guy in the same sentence, meaning it's referring to just One Rinnegan Madara that fought Guy. And Hagoromo states that if Madara continues to attain power, he would obtain a level of power similar to that of Kaguya. And be aware, that this is before he absorbs the God Tree and attains his second Rinnegan. Madara states that even fighting 8th Gate Guy, he didn’t feel an inkling of a threat, yet felt intimated by Base Naruto after he attained Six Paths. This implies that even in base, Naruto would be > 118.88 Zettatons.
Madara then proceeds to absorb the God Tree, which Kaguya describes as containing Infinite Power, (3-A Madara lol), and proceeds to fight Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke. Remember, the game is treating the God Tree as a big amp. According to the scan, Sasuke can multiply the power of his Chidori with Six Paths and Madara’s Limbo Clone can survive a direct hit from Sasuke’s Chidori, the lowest possible assumption can be 2x. So God Tree Absorbed Madara would be 237.76 Zettatons.
He then proceeds to get his second Rinnegan and is stated to have surpassed Hagoromo, the same Hagoromo who created the moon alongside Hamura which would yield these results based on what timeframe we choose. This would be another 2x multiplier since after gaining both Rinnegans, he can survive an attack from Six Paths Majestic Attire Susano’o, which is pretty much Six Paths Naruto (237.76) + Sasuke (237.76), so 475.52 Zettatons for Dual Rinnegan Madara.
Kaguya
First thing first, Naruto and Sasuke believed Kaguya was far stronger than Madara, this is while Black Zetsu is stating that she isn’t even using half her power. So her full power would be 2x stronger, so she’d scale to 951.04 Zettatons. Or would she?
The game makes it abundantly clear that Kaguya’s chakra is on a completely different level than Madara, and that they don’t even compare, with Naruto and Sasuke’s chakra being called tiny. In which case, the best feat she would scale to is her own ETSB.
But, this is where it gets a bit tricky since this is based entirely on how we interpret her ETSB feat. In this case, do we accept that the ETSB is following the same narrative as the manga (aka dimensions busting)? For one, unlike the manga, Kaguya performs the feat with just her own chakra instead of absorbing chakra from the Shinobi Alliance, meaning she would scale to it completely and so would characters who scale above, since the databooks have statements of characters with attacks surpassing the ETSB.
So how strong is her ETSB?
According to the databook, her ETSB can destroy the world. However, the raw uses the word ‘世界’ which can mean world, universe or society. In which case, we’ll have to see how the other databooks talk about her dimensions.
Her realms are all described as dimensions, as seen in the above scan, which uses the terms Lava Dimension, Storm Dimension and Ice Dimension.
Use of dimensions again.
(Top right) Battles in Space, not just the world. (Top middle) Naruto is required to ‘float’ around through ‘space’ to take on Kaguya, not just the world. This is also supported when Sasuke says she’s changing the space around them at will.
Her dimensions are likely space-times as the scan states that Kaguya and Team 7 are jumping through space-time to battle in an alternate dimension. This also proves that Kaguya’s dimensions are separate space-times instead of being in the same universe.
Databook references Kakashi vs Kaguya inside Kaguya’s dimension, and that Kakashi is cutting through time and space. To cut through time and space, logically, time and space should be present, which imply that Kaguya’s dimension is just that.
The above scan talks about the “Fate Of The Ninja World” despite their battle taking place in an alternate dimension. This could imply that her ETSB was a danger to not just her dimension, but also to Naruto’s world. In which case, she would possibly be destroying her dimension to reach Naruto’s world. Also, ‘begins and ends with her’ could be referencing her ETSB destroying and recreating.
Size of Kaguya’s Dimension.
We see numerous stars and nebulae in her dimension. But there could be more to this. We see various redshifts in her dimensions (implies universal expansion like our own), and even a blueshift, which could imply a collision course with another galaxy similar to the Andromeda and Milky Way Galaxy (not stars, since we already see stars). So not only do they appear and have same properties as a universe with red and blueshifts, but along with statements of it being separate space-times due to only being able to move there by jumping through space and time, and requiring space-time ninjutsu. It could be its own universe.
Even the databooks use the term “universe”, so Sekai translating to ‘universe’ may not be a stretch.
This could easily go from 4-A (starry sky and nebulae), 3-C (blueshift) to even Low 2-C (redshifts and space-time) based on how we interpret the size of her dimension. Though if Low 2-C is accepted, I think this would likely fall under a Possibly rating instead of outright Low 2-C.
Miscellaneous
Dual Kamui is stated to transcend space and time. This could be a supporting feat in case we accept that Kaguya was going to wipe out a universal time-space. Especially since a drained DMS Obito could stall Kaguya and DMS Kakashi can harm her with just his Susano’o physical attacks. This can also be supported by the God Tree’s Infinite Power statement from Kaguya.
The Last Naruto and Sasuke
Here’s where things get freaky. Naruto and Sasuke in just their base states during The Last, are stated in the databook as having “Histories Strongest Ever Attack”. It is also stated as being the strongest Ougi, which would put it above Kaguya’s ETSB as that is her Ougi in the game. If we go with just the Planetary scaling for Kaguya, this would mean that just Base The Last Naruto and Sasuke are > 951.04 Zettatons. This is later proven later on with the introduction of Momoshiki and Kinshiki.
Fused Momoshiki
When Momoshiki and Kinshiki invade the Chuunin Exams and fight Base Hokage Naruto and New Era Sasuke, Naruto believed that they were as strong as Kaguya, with Momoshiki later commenting that he and Kinshiki are actually stronger. The game also has Sasuke deciphering the scroll where it says that Kaguya was creating an army to prepare for Momoshiki and Kinshiki. So Momoshiki and Kinshiki are also > 951.04 Zettatons.
Fused Momoshiki would obviously double this as his strength is combined with Kinshiki, so Fused Momoshiki would scale to 1.9 Yottatons, which Hokage Six Paths Naruto and New Era Sasuke scale too. Finally, Naruto and Sasuke’s Majestic Attire Susano’o would double that value and scale to 3.8 Yottatons or 5-A.
If we accept Kaguya busting a dimension, this could go even higher.
Agree: Halkum145, KleinMoretti07, NaruRiasUzumaki, WellHelloThere, Tdjwo, MrKerf, emircaw, GokuSparkle, ssgengar, ninjaking21, LordGriffin1000, Shadowbokunohero, samlex
Disagree: Reio35
Neutral: Vilsky24 on Low 2-C, LordGriffin1000 on Low 2-C, Shadowbokunohero on Low 2-C
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We got the green light to make the profiles. I'm just waiting for calcs so I can put these up.
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Shmeaty is currently doing them, AP and speed have been handled, I just need Lifting Strength
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Would you give me the LS feats again? Sorry I have posted calcs in multiple of your threads and it's hard to keep up sometimes.
Also if one of them is the feat where he pulls all his clones in the forest then that unfortunately is un-calcable because the angles change to fast in order to reliably count all them as well as the number of clones changing based on the scene.
The Gamabunta one I may be able to do though
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No problem, I’ll list them here.
Choza throws Kurama
Kurama and Gyuki force open 10 Tails mouth
I can work with the Gamabunta one, since the number of clones seem more visible there.
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Bumping this since there are calcs I evaluated
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The purpose of this thread (Whether Low 2-C is viable) has been completed
I suggest we wait for Ranna to make a new thread with all the profiles created
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yes it should be closed
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not sure but probably yes
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I will write to Rana, it is possible that we will finish it today
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Sorry this took a while, but the next thread is done: https://vsbattles.com/threads/naruto-the-last-ultimate-ninja-storm-crt.148763/
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