Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[SlendVeny]

What chapter was it that BZ interfaced with the Tree’s underground? That might be where Matsuri’s ability stems from…

I think BZ says, “I am the world!” Or something.

Madara: "Genjutsu o, rest of the speech."

Black Zetsu: "I am all, I am all of me."

 

[HelloThere1089]

Do we think Jura has balls?

I don't know. But he certainly has big wood.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

So… BZ is > Mei, 1-on-1? He stalemated her + Daimyo defense company & KCM Naruto when he arrived, only being defeated by a mental amped Chojiro.

 

[Nierre]

The last thing Daemon is gonna see before a long naptime:

where've you been

 

[HelloThere1089]

where've you been

Just busy with sum irl stuff.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So… BZ is > Mei, 1-on-1? He stalemated her + Daimyo defense company & KCM Naruto when he arrived, only being defeated by a mental amped Chojiro.

I'd say ~> since the others r jonin level and Naruto only joined after like half a day's battle

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Based on Naruto’s statement here and the picture presented, is it implied that the 3rd Raikage is relative to the 4th’s V1 Cloaked Form in speed?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Based on Naruto’s statement here and the picture presented, is it implied that the 3rd Raikage is relative to the 4th’s V1 Cloaked Form in speed?

Possible but vague

 

[AnimesFreak2]

i still found ridiculous that people think Naruto was gay (or bisexual), or at least there was gay subtext or whatever...am, i am sorry, how?I know that Naruto was obsessed with bringing Sasuke back, but at no point did it feel like it was because he was secretly in love or had minimal romantic feelings, rather it seemed like he wanted to make a friend come back because he cared about his only friend (sorry shikamaru)

Look Naruto ain't gay or Bi but to say there was never anything showing this is CRAZY work

Kishimoto def at times felt like he wanted to write a yaoi manga lmfao

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Grown ass man

 

[Alexander]

Look Naruto ain't gay or Bi but to say there was never anything showing this is CRAZY work

Kishimoto def at times felt like he wanted to write a yaoi manga lmfao

It is all the time

 

[Alexander]

Grown ass man

He is just wondering if he is fine

 

[KaydeeX]

He is just wondering if he is fine

Naruto had several sus moments, you can’t even defend ts

 

[SlendVeny]

Grown ass man

Literally not a grown ass man.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

 

[MinatoSparkle]

3rd's my favourite probably

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Literally not a grown ass man.

Old enough to kill for his village

Grown ass man

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

mini rant about the wiki

It’s a concern I had that’s been really demotivating me from making CRTs, a lot of the times I’ve noticed people have selective standards when evaluating different things, they’ll say yes to one thing and then reject the other or simply avoid addressing the point, the lack of consistency gets confusing people will either be lenient or needlessly scrutinise things. “authors intent” literally what are we doing? Why’s that magically relevant now? Why’s author intent not brought up in the 7000 other CRTs, Calcs, do people not get the fact that death of the author/multiple interpretations can exist, you can’t even gauge what they think, it’s all assumptions

For context this rant was born from me pondering about my last crt, Isshiki wasn’t able to scale above First Gate Kakashi’s 50c cuz he doesn’t use it enough, which is a poor reason because it doesn’t take away from Kakashi having gates it just means he has better alternatives or doesn’t feel like it’s substantial of a buff, Isshiki being above the hypothetical version of Kakashi logically passes but it got rejected because mods simply “disagree” How are you gonna be okay with Kakashi getting 50c and Isshiki being lower despite him being superior to the whole verse, Shibai can be theoretically above uzuhiko and ETSO even tho there’s no author statements simply cuz the logic is sound, why can’t the same apply here?

Why not remove rasengan barrage and asura avatar, Naruto doesn’t use them ever after first use, there should be no reason for us to index the MAS using those multipliers by their logic, why not stop the dragon ball verse from using speed multiplier chains in super since the multipliers are decades old. Why does it stop being true after a few years? Does everything in a large running shonen need to be repeated for people to accept them as truth?
“If you want your verse to scale high just make better arguments” what the point? When people can be hypocritical and ignorant during evaluation

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Before you come at me, yes I can take rejections as long as the reasoning behind it is sound or consistent, I had no issues withdrawing the naruto 9x rasenshuriken multiplier when it got dismissed for good reasons

 

[Nierre]

It’s a concern I had that’s been really demotivating me from making CRTs, a lot of the times I’ve noticed people have selective standards when evaluating different things, they’ll say yes to one thing and then reject the other or simply avoid addressing the point, the lack of consistency gets confusing people will either be lenient or needlessly scrutinise things

I agree tbh

might be a hot take but I'm still of the opinion of MAS scaling above ETSO due to that one statement, and I still very much disagree with the scrutiny used against it. it's easy for someone to say you only feel that way bc majority staff disagree, but as someone who's made a couple of CRTs for the verse (although tame comparatively), I still see that.

In regards to the Kakashi multiplier scaling to Isshiki, I don't remember my stance within that thread but I definitely agree with you there. I don't see why we don't accept that for Isshiki yet we currently index multipliers for Boruto Era Naruto which he hasn't used most of em since the War Arc. Just because it's more recent doesn't make it more valid than the other.

Similarly, while I do think Uzuhiko is a cap (as in, it is the "strongest" move we've seen in the series but in terms of DC, isn't even the strongest thanks to the ETSO), I HEAVILY disagree with how I've seen alot of people argue it as a cap. I can go on with this topic specifically but Uzuhiko arguments are a drag and it's been done too many times before, and ultimately I don't disagree with Uzuhiko being a cap so to keep the peace I keep it to myself.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I agree tbh

might be a hot take but I'm still of the opinion of MAS scaling above ETSO due to that one statement, and I still very much disagree with the scrutiny used against it. it's easy for someone to say you only feel that way bc majority staff disagree, but as someone who's made a couple of CRTs for the verse (although tame comparatively), I still see that.

In regards to the Kakashi multiplier scaling to Isshiki, I don't remember my stance within that thread but I definitely agree with you there. I don't see why we don't accept that for Isshiki yet we currently index multipliers for Boruto Era Naruto which he hasn't used most of em since the War Arc. Just because it's more recent doesn't make it more valid than the other.

Similarly, while I do think Uzuhiko is a cap (as in, it is the "strongest" move we've seen in the series but in terms of DC, isn't even the strongest thanks to the ETSO), I HEAVILY disagree with how I've seen alot of people argue it as a cap. I can go on with this topic specifically but Uzuhiko arguments are a drag and it's been done too many times before, and ultimately I don't disagree with Uzuhiko being a cap so to keep the peace I keep it to myself.

Maybe I should re attempt it someday, since aside 4 people everyone else fully agreed with the Isshiki stuff

And pin opposers to provide solid reasoning, even if I don’t get a yes it’ll be an example of ignorance and hypocritical judgement

 

[Damage3245]

Why not remove rasengan barrage and asura avatar

Personally I think it'd make a lot more sense for the profiles from an aesthetic point of view to only have mention of those in the actual keys where he uses them, but I doubt that'd be a popular take for most people.

It's like in the powers section, we don't repeat the powers every single time in a new tab for a new form that the character has already, because we know the character already has them so they don't need to be repeated.

 

[Nierre]

Maybe I should re attempt it someday, since aside 4 people everyone else fully agreed with the Isshiki stuff

And pin opposers to provide solid reasoning, even if I don’t get a yes it’ll be an example of ignorance and hypocritical judgement

remind me what was the argument against it again? was it because he's only used it once?

also another hot take, but unless Asura Avatar actually has a statement that his power is multiplied by 3, he shouldn't have it by Wiki standards. I think it's just a (reasonable) assumption we made that it's a 3x multiplier but I genuinely don't recall any statements by Naruto or Kurama in that fight that mentioned that he multiplied his power x3.

Personally I think it'd make a lot more sense for the profiles from an aesthetic point of view to only have mention of those in the actual keys where he uses them, but I doubt that'd be a popular take for most people.

It's like in the powers section, we don't repeat the powers every single time in a new tab for a new form that the character has already, because we know the character already has them so they don't need to be repeated.

normally I'd agree, but this is different bc it's a multiplier so it sorta needs to be indexed in every key so people can know where the values are coming from. If you had ur way (without axing the multiplier) how would you go about doing that? because I share the exact same opinion on this here lol but it's the multipliers that get me stuck

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Personally I think it'd make a lot more sense for the profiles from an aesthetic point of view to only have mention of those in the actual keys where he uses them, but I doubt that'd be a popular take for most people.

This take assumes he does not have them anymore, that you need to repeatedly show something to be true which is illogical

You have giants rasengans you can casually shoot out, why would you consider the much weaker RSB?

 

[Damage3245]

This take assumes he does not have them anymore, that you need to repeatedly show something to be true which is illogical

What...? No.

I explained in the follow up line:

It's like in the powers section, we don't repeat the powers every single time in a new tab for a new form that the character has already, because we know the character already has them so they don't need to be repeated.

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normally I'd agree, but this is different bc it's a multiplier so it sorta needs to be indexed in every key so people can know where the values are coming from. If you had ur way (without axing the multiplier) how would you go about doing that? because I share the exact same opinion on this here lol but it's the multipliers that get me stuck

Yeah, that's why I haven't proposed actually doing that. Although some keys don't have a difference in all stats all the time, so sometimes it's a bit redundant.

 

[SlendVeny]

It's like in the powers section, we don't repeat the powers every single time in a new tab for a new form that the character has already, because we know the character already has them so they don't need to be repeated.

But we do. We specify "all previous"

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

remind me what was the argument against it again? was it because he's only used it once?

also another hot take, but unless Asura Avatar actually has a statement that his power is multiplied by 3, he shouldn't have it by Wiki standards. I think it's just a (reasonable) assumption we made that it's a 3x multiplier but I genuinely don't recall any statements by Naruto or Kurama in that fight that mentioned that he multiplied his power x3.

normally I'd agree, but this is different bc it's a multiplier so it sorta needs to be indexed in every key so people can know where the values are coming from. If you had ur way (without axing the multiplier) how would you go about doing that? because I share the exact same opinion on this here lol but it's the multipliers that get me stuck

To Quote their exact words of the four mods

I'm fine with the Kakashi multiplier but not with Isshiki scaling as it hinges on an assumption

I fully disagree with scaling over hypothetical First Gate Kakashi here for speed. Kakashi almost never uses the First Gate, and never in an actual significant battle scene

I disagree with scaling Isshiki to a hypothetical First Gate Kakashi, unless you can show he actually used the technique against him.

(I don't wish to talk like I'm badmouthing them behind their back but when given a counter they simply responded with a "yeah no" no rebuttals or attempt at understanding, just a straight up no simply because everything isn't explicitly spelled out)

Ehhh, like honestly, I don't like upgrading the verse's speed roughly 50x above the best calcable feat off of a one-off panel from 20+ years ago.

Not to mention, Kakashi has never, ever used the 1st Gate in combat as far as I know. So, like, if he didn't use it against Pain, Madara, Obito, Kaguya, etc; I honestly >don't see why he'd use it against Isshiki in some hypothetical match-up.
Idk, seems really flimsy considering how massive of a jump it is IMO. I highly, highly doubt this is even something that Ikemoto/Kishimoto are keeping in mind at this >point. Kishimoto, espeically, given that it's something he never brought back outside of that one scan.
So I feel like it's pretty iffy to say that they had said amp in mind when they made the statements about NaruSasu being above him considering it's just not something >he uses in combat.
And even if we were to entertain this hypothetical, it's not like the temporary burst of speed would allow Kakashi to beat Isshiki anyway given the massive AP >advantage and the fact that it won't last for any significant stretch of time.

What...? No.

I explained in the follow up line:

Ah Okay my bad, I hold the same opinion as Nierre, multipliers allow for higher AP so they're necessary

 

[KaydeeX]

For context this rant was born from me pondering about my last crt, Isshiki wasn’t able to scale above First Gate Kakashi’s 50c cuz he doesn’t use it enough, which is a poor reason because it doesn’t take away from Kakashi having gates it just means he has better alternatives or doesn’t feel like it’s substantial of a buff, Isshiki being above the hypothetical version of Kakashi logically passes but it got rejected because mods simply “disagree” How are you gonna be okay with Kakashi getting 50c and Isshiki being lower despite him being superior to the whole verse, Shibai can be theoretically above uzuhiko and ETSO even tho there’s no author statements simply cuz the logic is sound, why can’t the same apply here?

Isshiki scaling above 1st gate Kakashi makes the most sense imo. It’d also be consistent with 10% Jigen being just as fast as Koji/base Kakashi

 

[KingogKings777]

Why not remove rasengan barrage and asura avatar, Naruto doesn’t use them ever after first use

For the love god agreed!!! We need to remove the rinnegan abilities from Sasuke. It's like they stopped existing.

 

[Samlex1234]

For the love god agreed!!! We need to remove the rinnegan abilities from Sasuke. It's like they stopped existing.

Lol no.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

For the love god agreed!!! We need to remove the rinnegan abilities from Sasuke. It's like they stopped existing.

Sasuke : I will destroy Isshiki with my genjutsu

Isshiki : Hold my wine

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I agree tbh

might be a hot take but I'm still of the opinion of MAS scaling above ETSO due to that one statement, and I still very much disagree with the scrutiny used against it. it's easy for someone to say you only feel that way bc majority staff disagree, but as someone who's made a couple of CRTs for the verse (although tame comparatively), I still see that.

In regards to the Kakashi multiplier scaling to Isshiki, I don't remember my stance within that thread but I definitely agree with you there. I don't see why we don't accept that for Isshiki yet we currently index multipliers for Boruto Era Naruto which he hasn't used most of em since the War Arc. Just because it's more recent doesn't make it more valid than the other.

Similarly, while I do think Uzuhiko is a cap (as in, it is the "strongest" move we've seen in the series but in terms of DC, isn't even the strongest thanks to the ETSO), I HEAVILY disagree with how I've seen alot of people argue it as a cap. I can go on with this topic specifically but Uzuhiko arguments are a drag and it's been done too many times before, and ultimately I don't disagree with Uzuhiko being a cap so to keep the peace I keep it to myself.

Wait also looking back at this, Uzuhiko has stated the same ap as a normal rasengan, why does it get to be a cap without explicit statements of having its ap boosted but we need explicit statements for upgrades? (Not saying against nierre specifically)


Make it make sense, I don't like the constantly changing standards

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don't agree with the notion that viewing Uzuhiko as a soft cap is "changing standards". But idc to change your mind about it either, since end of the day, what one finds "convincing" or deems "fair" is decently subjective and very influenced by biases.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I don't agree with the notion that viewing Uzuhiko as a soft cap is "changing standards". But idc to change your mind about it either, since end of the day, what one finds "convincing" or deems "fair" is decently subjective and very influenced by biases.

You don't want to change my mind but I want to know, go ahead defend your point

why does uzuhiko get to be a cap without requiring explicit statements but Isshiki stuff doesn't

if you wanna make a claim and run away, you're no different than the people I was talking about

 

[Samlex1234]

Sasuke: I will destroy Isshiki with my genjutsu

Isshiki : Hold my wine

Rinnegan’s abilities are mostly useless against significantly stronger opponents. For instance, even a six-tailed Naruto was able to resist the effects of Almighty Push. When Sasuke finally used Chibaku Tensei after a long time, it was useless as fused-Momoshiki effortlessly escaped from it. Similarly, Pain, could not contain the eight-tailed Kyūbi within a Chibaku Tensei. Genjutsu has been deemed ineffective against Otsutsuki members. Guys there is a concept called analytical deduction: where skilled individuals who fully understand their power-ups and abilities can assess their applicability and determine whether they will be effective in a given situation.



If Sasuke stopped using Amaterasu now, some might criticize him, saying, “Oh, he’s not using his powers.” However, it’s possible that, based on his deduction, he determined it to be ineffective in the current situation.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You don't want to change my mind but I want to know, tell me Arc

why does uzuhiko get to be a cap without requiring explicit statements but Isshiki stuff doesn't

if you wanna make a claim and run off, you're simply no different than the people I was talking about

Idk what Isshiki stuff you're talking about, I just read the MAS stuff.

Also, that's your issue, you adopt a "me vs them" mindset. Saying the bolded portion actively makes me not want to interact with you, it already tells me you're presupposing I'm the "enemy". Entirely unnecessary comment truly. You're not entitled to my response and trying to "guilt trip" me into responding actively kills my enthusiasm to engage with you. It's a topic I'm more than willing to discuss, obviously given my track record.

 

[Samlex1234]

Guys, what is this argument about Uzuhiko being a soft cap? To the best of my knowledge, it was disregarded in the ETSO CRT and we don't have it as a standard.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Idk what Isshiki stuff you're talking about, I just read the MAS stuff.

First Gate Kakashi is 50c, Isshiki isn't allowed to be the same tier because this
You can think uzuhiko is a cap or whatever, we can agree to disagree on that but you came to such a conclusion without explicit statements, it's based on very flimsy assumptions, if the moderators are demanding explicit statements for the former stuff they should hold uzuhiko to the same standard.....they don't that's why it's changing standards based on what one feels rather than giving an honest ignorance free evaluation

Also, that's your issue, you adopt a "me vs them" mindset. Saying the bolded portion actively makes me not want to interact with you, it already tells me you're presupposing I'm the "enemy". Entirely unnecessary comment truly. You're not entitled to my response and trying to "guilt trip" me into responding actively kills my enthusiasm to engage with you. It's a topic I'm more than willing to discuss, obviously given my track record.

You acted antagonistic to my stance did you not? if you feel I'm too hostile to you for simple non-aggressive claims that is a you issue.

Guys, what is this argument about Uzuhiko being a soft cap? To the best of my knowledge, it was disregarded in the ETSO CRT and we don't have it as a standard.

It was. A certain someone brought it up again.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I really need to know wtf gave Boruto the idea to try and incorporate all those celestial forces into R:Uzhk…