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needing more power than you can supply + calling an abilities power limitless = probably stronger than you are.
That looks like an assumption to me
We can have this result arrive from durability negation interpretation, why pick AP over this?

Dura Neg Interpretation is supported by narrative, why choose the least likely option with nothing backing it up other than inconsistency?
Why change wording from superior AP to capabilities? It can be above the standard uzuhiko by means of making greater volumes of said dura neg force, Hidari isn’t particularly extremely durable to the point of requiring massive attack power


I’ll respond to the other things later in the day
 
Why did you tell me we are going with the least assumptive stance and then do the opposite for uzuhiko where you’ll make shaky assumptions that don’t align with anything said in canon
First off, nothing I said was something accepted on any page or profile, just my attempt to answer his question on the overall Uzuhiko argument + some of my own opinions.

idk if you noticed but the "soft cap" isn't something that's formally accepted by wiki, it's just no one's made a good enough argument debunking a very valid skepticism that currently exists in scaling vastly above Uzuhiko.

Second rather than saying my stance is shaky, assumptive, or that it doesn't align with the canon, actually demonstrate that.

I don't mind entertaining arguments good or bad for a bit as long as they're actual arguments.
What happened to not making assumptions?
I never said no assumptions ever, I said least assumptions

edit: posted before i saw the other comment.
 
That looks like an assumption to me
once again not all assumptions are bad, especially when they use the context of the scene, it's just the more you use especially without context or narrative support, the closer you get to headcanon.

  • Bort and Sarada putting emphasis on this jutsu that would be capable of destroying Hidari in a single shot.
  • We get a demonstration of the destruction caused by a regular Rasengan just prior to Uzuhiko's usage to compare.
  • Bort calls Uzuhiko's power limitless.
  • Bort says that gathering the power needed to oneshot Hidari would take him a bit of time (which wouldn't be the case if he already had the power to one-shot him with his own chakra pool since Uzuhiko incorporates his power too via the database.)
  • Bort not even getting to Max output almost one-shotting Hidari.

Based on this, I think most people would find it safe to say this interpretation isn't an outrageous one.
We can have this result arrive from durability negation interpretation, why pick AP over this?
Because Uzuhiko is stated to be the damage of a Rasengan(AP)+ mental damage

even normal Rasengan's have some dura neg but energy-based dura neg without an extra esoteric hax will always have an AP value.

also, the amount of times Boruto references the power of the jutsu quantitatively makes it much hard to believe its talking about some kind of hax, especially without evidence.
Dura Neg Interpretation is supported by narrative, why choose the least likely option with nothing backing it up other than inconsistency?
explain how it's supported by the narrative.
Why change wording from superior AP to capabilities? It can be above the standard uzuhiko by means of making greater volumes of said dura neg force, Hidari isn’t particularly extremely durable to the point of requiring massive attack power
1). You'd need to prove Uzuhiko is 100% dura neg and what type of dura neg it is or it'll always be partially AP, not to mention explain why the Databook is wrong in saying it is in part the damage of a normal Rasengan.

2). why do you say Hidari isn't durable? he took an off-guard Rasengan with a carved shoulder, and again Boruto is the one who stated they needed more power, not me.
you would need to prove Uzuhiko to be esoteric hax for your argument to even be viable since my interpretation of what Boruto said is just taking his word and the database verbatim.
 
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It's a three-part reasoning.

Uzuhiko > Boruto

- Boruto states it's above his normal AP if he doesn't hold it back.

Uzuhiko's Maximum Output = Centrifugal Force and Rotation of the Planet

tbh this whole section is a small part of my bigger argument that Uzuhiko is a jutsu that moves the planet's chakra toward a target rather than siphoning it into Boruto's chakra pool for an attack.

  • Bort hasn't shown the ability to amp his stats with Uzuhiko's vast energy, nor can he leave the ground until the jutsu makes contact with its target, something that is in direct contrast to every absorption ability in the series where the power is yours to manipulate once it reaches you.
  • Boruto claims to hold back Uzuhiko's power on more limited uses (for example: Code, who received far less damage and got hit with a far less visually powerful version of Uzuhiko, not to mention Bort was actively trying to let Code live, and get information on where the Juubi was out of him.)
  • The Planet shakes when Uzuhiko is active which wouldn't happen if it was just siphoning rotation from the earth (even if one were to say this is an appeal to reality, Ikemoto chose to actively utilize real-world scientific principles in the mechanics of the jutsu to depict where it's large power is coming from, disregarding that would be far more assumptive than simply taking the words verbatim.)
  • Boruto refers to Uzuhiko as a counterattack from the planet he attempted to destroy. (which isn't really evidence but very on-brand for the bigger picture)

Narrative Stuff (I know gross)

- Bort is the narrative contrast to Kawaki and Code who embrace their Otsutsuki traits and abilities to further their desires. whereas a majority of the Boruto series has been about Boruto, someone in a reverse situation to Naruto, learning to embrace the Shinobi ideology of enduring hardship for what they believe in/desire. The Otsutsuki Way is a direct contrast to the Shinobi way that Naruto has been preaching to the new generation (Self-Indulgence vs Self-Improvement, Self-Serving Oppression vs Desired Co-Existence, desire for Longevity/Immortality vs a desire to improve the current state of the world for the next generation, etc.) so for Boruto's main jutsu to be a way to redirect and tether the energy of the planet to an opponent, provide an outlet for the planet to attack its oppressors, the direct opposite of Otsutsuki, who snatch all of the life force on a planet disregarding the will of any other living being their let along the planet, is pretty thematically on point with what Ike and Kishi have been pushing since Boruto: Naruto the Movie, not to mention Kishi has been giving thematic relevance to important character's jutsu since chapter 1 of Naruto.

So Basically

If one were to accept that:

- Maximum Output Uzuhiko is the full rotational energy of a planet and not its suppressed variants.

- That it's stronger than TS characters who are massively stronger than Jigen, who is stronger than Shippuden GTs.

- And that all the Statements in the manga/databook, along with the narrative and thematic relevance the jutsu represents is logically sound.

Then it makes higher metas a lot less justifiable,

(specifically talking Tier 4 and up, I don't think Kishi knows the amount of Zettatons the Earth's rotation yields, if series somehow, someway gets a 5A calc in the future by an Uzuhiko victim, I don't think Uzuhiko negs that calc from being usable, but if someone said The Last Naruto punches with the force of 15 trillion stars when Uzuhiko is powered by a very quantifiable amount of energy from a single planet, ppl have every right to be skeptical.)
Before you read this, I want to make it clear that I’m not entirely disagreeing with you. I just want to point out a few contradictions.

Where we agree:
I believe Uzuhiko is stronger than Boruto’s base Rasengan. In fact, I don’t think Uzuhiko uses the absorbed energy to enhance his physical stats; rather, it seems to amplify the Rasengan itself. Well it also says categorically ,

“A new form of Rasengan that utilizes not only one's own chakra,“


Where we disagree

1 “nor can he leave the ground until the jutsu makes contact with its target”

Counter
We know that Boruto directly absorbs the energy first before creating his attack, whether it’s channeled into a standard Rasengan or his body it doesn’t really matter. However, there’s no evidence to support your claim that he can only use it while grounded after absorption. In fact, we’ve seen that once the jutsu is embedded in someone, it continues to function even if they are in a different dimension. Boruto can even rescind it remotely, regardless of location.




2. “The Planet shakes when Uzuhiko is active which wouldn't happen if it was just siphoning rotation from the earth”

The planet shaking means absolutely nothing, we already have information that there is the first impact that is caused by the rasengan which would mean in fact the energy absorbed is used in the initial impact. Even if we say Boruto used the planetary spin around it axis for a day, the impact from this would still be more than the planet just shaking which is may be “Multi Continent level”.

Boruto potentially went beyond this in the uzuhiko used against Hidari, which is mainly AP , and we still saw no damage or severe impact done against the planet. So yes appeal to reality it is.



3. “Maximum Output Uzuhiko is the full rotational energy of a planet and not its suppressed variants”

The maximum output of Uzuhiko potentially exceeds the energy of one full planetary spin or one full orbit around the Sun. Here’s why: the Earth doesn’t stop spinning after 24 hours, nor does it stop orbiting after 365/366 days. We have evidence that Boruto can absorb as much or as little energy as he desires without causing noticeable harm to the planet . This raises the question— if he can absorb the Spin and orbit for 183 days (6 months) what prevents him from absorbing the rotational or orbital energy equivalent to 20 years, or even the energy accumulated over 5 billion years?



Notice it says unceasing nature?



Notice he says if I don’t hold back? How much can he hold back and how much can he use, that is to be determined.


4. Then it makes higher metas a lot less justifiable

This is where the real problem lies, people having sceptical interpretations is fine as long as it is not made the standard. The fact that the databook explanation of the justu specifically added several sources , which honestly them interacting with themselves does not always equal one plus one (we have cases of this even in real life) but I digress. Means the justu is not confined to one standard interpretation that will then limit it , affecting every other calcs and feats we have.



Uzuhiko is not a soft cap. In fact, the two times Boruto used it, no one can accurately calculate or determine the true energy output of the attack.
 
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2). why do you say Hidari isn't durable? he took an off-guard Rasengan with a carved shoulder, and again Boruto is the one who stated they needed more power, not me.
you would need to prove Uzuhiko to be esoteric hax for your argument to even be viable since my interpretation of what Boruto said is just taking his word and the database verbatim.
I really don’t disagree with the above. But Hidari did not take an off-guard rasengan without harm, he needed to regenerate so there was indeed damage done.
 
I already see the doujins being drawn

What the ****?

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-Matsuri can talk to trees because she's the best at using her wood or whatever
-Presumably another pretty basic ship bait with Yodo and... either Shinki or Araya, idk what the writers want us to think, I guess. Nothing especially relevant.
-Pretty clear setup of how Moegi and Konohamaru are gonna end up I guess, OR an indication that she just absolutely hates him outside of the tree if their feelings toward someone ar flipped, because damn if Matsuri ain't wanna eat him a different way.
-This ******* jester is adorable wtf
-This sentient trench coat of a man is also adorable
-Jura: Jura
-Uh oh, Kawaki just pinned an untrained old man to a wall, hope he doesn't bust out any new tech on him
 
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The new display system for threads made me bust one, it's so good
 
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crt previews in the message goes hard wtf
 
I had a realisation, Hidari dying to Uzuhiko technically does not cap god tiers,

Hidari stalemates Boruto via Ninjutsu, when Code runs off it's due to them collectively being too much for him to handle saying they will devour boruto and hes on his own, nothing says Hidari physicals>Code Physicals
Hidari gets reacted to as well as beat up by sarada and boruto either via sword or ninjutsu, so technically it only caps Hidari
 
I had a realisation, Hidari dying to Uzuhiko technically does not cap god tiers,

Hidari stalemates Boruto via Ninjutsu, when Code runs off it's due to them collectively being too much for him to handle saying they will devour boruto and hes on his own, nothing says Hidari physicals>Code Physicals
Hidari gets reacted to as well as beat up by sarada and boruto either via sword or ninjutsu, so technically it only caps Hidari
I guess, but that would presume that Hidari's Chidori is like waaay better than Boruto's Rasengan.

Would he have Sasuke's experience or something?
 
I always forget about this statement, and I have a good laugh every time I remember it
かつて得意としていた「うずまきナルト連弾」が、影分身の人数増大により飛躍的に強化された、ナルトの究極体術。その連打は 「八門遁甲」を駆使するリーにも匹敵する威力を誇り、常に死角から攻撃できるため、全て防ぎきることは至難の業。
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I always forget about this statement, and I have a good laugh every time I remember it
かつて得意としていた「うずまきナルト連弾」が、影分身の人数増大により飛躍的に強化された、ナルトの究極体術。その連打は 「八門遁甲」を駆使するリーにも匹敵する威力を誇り、常に死角から攻撃できるため、全て防ぎきることは至難の業。
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Good god, the glazing is real.
 
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