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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Ghostimuscrime said:
Maybe I should re attempt it someday, since aside 4 people everyone else fully agreed with the Isshiki stuff

And pin opposers to provide solid reasoning, even if I don’t get a yes it’ll be an example of ignorance and hypocritical judgement
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remind me what was the argument against it again? was it because he's only used it once?

also another hot take, but unless Asura Avatar actually has a statement that his power is multiplied by 3, he shouldn't have it by Wiki standards. I think it's just a (reasonable) assumption we made that it's a 3x multiplier but I genuinely don't recall any statements by Naruto or Kurama in that fight that mentioned that he multiplied his power x3.
Damage3245 said:
Personally I think it'd make a lot more sense for the profiles from an aesthetic point of view to only have mention of those in the actual keys where he uses them, but I doubt that'd be a popular take for most people.

It's like in the powers section, we don't repeat the powers every single time in a new tab for a new form that the character has already, because we know the character already has them so they don't need to be repeated.
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normally I'd agree, but this is different bc it's a multiplier so it sorta needs to be indexed in every key so people can know where the values are coming from. If you had ur way (without axing the multiplier) how would you go about doing that? because I share the exact same opinion on this here lol but it's the multipliers that get me stuck
 
Damage3245 said:
Personally I think it'd make a lot more sense for the profiles from an aesthetic point of view to only have mention of those in the actual keys where he uses them, but I doubt that'd be a popular take for most people.
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This take assumes he does not have them anymore, that you need to repeatedly show something to be true which is illogical

You have giants rasengans you can casually shoot out, why would you consider the much weaker RSB?
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
This take assumes he does not have them anymore, that you need to repeatedly show something to be true which is illogical
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What...? No.

I explained in the follow up line:

Damage3245 said:
It's like in the powers section, we don't repeat the powers every single time in a new tab for a new form that the character has already, because we know the character already has them so they don't need to be repeated.
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Nierre said:
normally I'd agree, but this is different bc it's a multiplier so it sorta needs to be indexed in every key so people can know where the values are coming from. If you had ur way (without axing the multiplier) how would you go about doing that? because I share the exact same opinion on this here lol but it's the multipliers that get me stuck
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Yeah, that's why I haven't proposed actually doing that. Although some keys don't have a difference in all stats all the time, so sometimes it's a bit redundant.
 
Damage3245 said:
It's like in the powers section, we don't repeat the powers every single time in a new tab for a new form that the character has already, because we know the character already has them so they don't need to be repeated.
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But we do. We specify "all previous"
 
Nierre said:
remind me what was the argument against it again? was it because he's only used it once?

also another hot take, but unless Asura Avatar actually has a statement that his power is multiplied by 3, he shouldn't have it by Wiki standards. I think it's just a (reasonable) assumption we made that it's a 3x multiplier but I genuinely don't recall any statements by Naruto or Kurama in that fight that mentioned that he multiplied his power x3.

normally I'd agree, but this is different bc it's a multiplier so it sorta needs to be indexed in every key so people can know where the values are coming from. If you had ur way (without axing the multiplier) how would you go about doing that? because I share the exact same opinion on this here lol but it's the multipliers that get me stuck
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To Quote their exact words of the four mods

I'm fine with the Kakashi multiplier but not with Isshiki scaling as it hinges on an assumption
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I fully disagree with scaling over hypothetical First Gate Kakashi here for speed. Kakashi almost never uses the First Gate, and never in an actual significant battle scene
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I disagree with scaling Isshiki to a hypothetical First Gate Kakashi, unless you can show he actually used the technique against him.
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(I don't wish to talk like I'm badmouthing them behind their back but when given a counter they simply responded with a "yeah no" no rebuttals or attempt at understanding, just a straight up no simply because everything isn't explicitly spelled out)

Ehhh, like honestly, I don't like upgrading the verse's speed roughly 50x above the best calcable feat off of a one-off panel from 20+ years ago.
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Not to mention, Kakashi has never, ever used the 1st Gate in combat as far as I know. So, like, if he didn't use it against Pain, Madara, Obito, Kaguya, etc; I honestly >don't see why he'd use it against Isshiki in some hypothetical match-up.
Idk, seems really flimsy considering how massive of a jump it is IMO. I highly, highly doubt this is even something that Ikemoto/Kishimoto are keeping in mind at this >point. Kishimoto, espeically, given that it's something he never brought back outside of that one scan.
So I feel like it's pretty iffy to say that they had said amp in mind when they made the statements about NaruSasu being above him considering it's just not something >he uses in combat.
And even if we were to entertain this hypothetical, it's not like the temporary burst of speed would allow Kakashi to beat Isshiki anyway given the massive AP >advantage and the fact that it won't last for any significant stretch of time.
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Damage3245 said:
What...? No.

I explained in the follow up line:
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Ah Okay my bad, I hold the same opinion as Nierre, multipliers allow for higher AP so they're necessary
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
For context this rant was born from me pondering about my last crt, Isshiki wasn’t able to scale above First Gate Kakashi’s 50c cuz he doesn’t use it enough, which is a poor reason because it doesn’t take away from Kakashi having gates it just means he has better alternatives or doesn’t feel like it’s substantial of a buff, Isshiki being above the hypothetical version of Kakashi logically passes but it got rejected because mods simply “disagree” How are you gonna be okay with Kakashi getting 50c and Isshiki being lower despite him being superior to the whole verse, Shibai can be theoretically above uzuhiko and ETSO even tho there’s no author statements simply cuz the logic is sound, why can’t the same apply here?
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Isshiki scaling above 1st gate Kakashi makes the most sense imo. It’d also be consistent with 10% Jigen being just as fast as Koji/base Kakashi
 
Nierre said:
I agree tbh

might be a hot take but I'm still of the opinion of MAS scaling above ETSO due to that one statement, and I still very much disagree with the scrutiny used against it. it's easy for someone to say you only feel that way bc majority staff disagree, but as someone who's made a couple of CRTs for the verse (although tame comparatively), I still see that.

In regards to the Kakashi multiplier scaling to Isshiki, I don't remember my stance within that thread but I definitely agree with you there. I don't see why we don't accept that for Isshiki yet we currently index multipliers for Boruto Era Naruto which he hasn't used most of em since the War Arc. Just because it's more recent doesn't make it more valid than the other.

Similarly, while I do think Uzuhiko is a cap (as in, it is the "strongest" move we've seen in the series but in terms of DC, isn't even the strongest thanks to the ETSO), I HEAVILY disagree with how I've seen alot of people argue it as a cap. I can go on with this topic specifically but Uzuhiko arguments are a drag and it's been done too many times before, and ultimately I don't disagree with Uzuhiko being a cap so to keep the peace I keep it to myself.
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Wait also looking back at this, Uzuhiko has stated the same ap as a normal rasengan, why does it get to be a cap without explicit statements of having its ap boosted but we need explicit statements for upgrades? (Not saying against nierre specifically)


Make it make sense, I don't like the constantly changing standards
 
I don't agree with the notion that viewing Uzuhiko as a soft cap is "changing standards". But idc to change your mind about it either, since end of the day, what one finds "convincing" or deems "fair" is decently subjective and very influenced by biases.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I don't agree with the notion that viewing Uzuhiko as a soft cap is "changing standards". But idc to change your mind about it either, since end of the day, what one finds "convincing" or deems "fair" is decently subjective and very influenced by biases.
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You don't want to change my mind but I want to know, go ahead defend your point

why does uzuhiko get to be a cap without requiring explicit statements but Isshiki stuff doesn't

if you wanna make a claim and run away, you're no different than the people I was talking about
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Sasuke: I will destroy Isshiki with my genjutsu

Isshiki : Hold my wine
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Rinnegan’s abilities are mostly useless against significantly stronger opponents. For instance, even a six-tailed Naruto was able to resist the effects of Almighty Push. When Sasuke finally used Chibaku Tensei after a long time, it was useless as fused-Momoshiki effortlessly escaped from it. Similarly, Pain, could not contain the eight-tailed Kyūbi within a Chibaku Tensei. Genjutsu has been deemed ineffective against Otsutsuki members. Guys there is a concept called analytical deduction: where skilled individuals who fully understand their power-ups and abilities can assess their applicability and determine whether they will be effective in a given situation.



If Sasuke stopped using Amaterasu now, some might criticize him, saying, “Oh, he’s not using his powers.” However, it’s possible that, based on his deduction, he determined it to be ineffective in the current situation.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
You don't want to change my mind but I want to know, tell me Arc

why does uzuhiko get to be a cap without requiring explicit statements but Isshiki stuff doesn't

if you wanna make a claim and run off, you're simply no different than the people I was talking about
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Idk what Isshiki stuff you're talking about, I just read the MAS stuff.

Also, that's your issue, you adopt a "me vs them" mindset. Saying the bolded portion actively makes me not want to interact with you, it already tells me you're presupposing I'm the "enemy". Entirely unnecessary comment truly. You're not entitled to my response and trying to "guilt trip" me into responding actively kills my enthusiasm to engage with you. It's a topic I'm more than willing to discuss, obviously given my track record.
 
Guys, what is this argument about Uzuhiko being a soft cap? To the best of my knowledge, it was disregarded in the ETSO CRT and we don't have it as a standard.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Idk what Isshiki stuff you're talking about, I just read the MAS stuff.
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First Gate Kakashi is 50c, Isshiki isn't allowed to be the same tier because this
You can think uzuhiko is a cap or whatever, we can agree to disagree on that but you came to such a conclusion without explicit statements, it's based on very flimsy assumptions, if the moderators are demanding explicit statements for the former stuff they should hold uzuhiko to the same standard.....they don't that's why it's changing standards based on what one feels rather than giving an honest ignorance free evaluation


Arc7Kuroi said:
Also, that's your issue, you adopt a "me vs them" mindset. Saying the bolded portion actively makes me not want to interact with you, it already tells me you're presupposing I'm the "enemy". Entirely unnecessary comment truly. You're not entitled to my response and trying to "guilt trip" me into responding actively kills my enthusiasm to engage with you. It's a topic I'm more than willing to discuss, obviously given my track record.
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You acted antagonistic to my stance did you not? if you feel I'm too hostile to you for simple non-aggressive claims that is a you issue.
Samlex1234 said:
Guys, what is this argument about Uzuhiko being a soft cap? To the best of my knowledge, it was disregarded in the ETSO CRT and we don't have it as a standard.
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It was. A certain someone brought it up again.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
First Gate Kakashi is 50c, Isshiki isn't allowed to be the same tier because this
You can think uzuhiko is a cap or whatever, we can agree to disagree on that but you came to such a conclusion without explicit statements, it's based on very flimsy assumptions, if the moderators are demanding explicit statements for the former stuff they should hold uzuhiko to the same standard.....they don't that's why it's changing standards based on what one feels rather than giving an honest ignorance free evaluation
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I don’t think the Uzuhiko soft cap is flimsy at all. I have no stance on the 50c argument, I’m neither for nor against it.

Ghostimuscrime said:
You acted antagonistic to my stance did you not? if you feel I'm too hostile to you for simple non-aggressive claims that is a you issue.
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I didn’t act antagonistic… I offered a potential explanation to your question. How you could interpret that as antagonistic is beyond me.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
I do, it was you who joined the convo whiteknighting for the soft cap without even understanding my comparison,
just drop it.
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Correction: you’re throwing a hissy over misunderstanding my comment. I’m not white knighting anything. If you want to drop it, stop responding 😂
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
I really need to know wtf gave Boruto the idea to try and incorporate all those celestial forces into R:Uzhk… 🤔
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Well one would be that it provides close to a limitless source of energy. First if will take just the orbit energy and spin that the earth would be producing for at least 5 billion years , the amount of energy generated could be
Energy from Earth’s spin: 3.9 x 10^41 J

Energy from Earth’s orbit: 1.323 x 10^43 J

At least 1.362 x 10^43 J or more

The most amazing thing is that the earth takes absolutely no damage when this happens. Lol almost like an Hax ability an unlimited supply of energy.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Correction: you’re throwing a hissy over misunderstanding my comment.
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I'm actually not, I'm calmly telling you you are incorrect, you're losing it & acting like I'm treating you like an enemy based on casual back and forth.

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Samlex1234 said:
Well one would be that it provides close to a limitless source of energy. First if will take just the orbit energy and spin that the earth would be producing for at least 5 billion years , the amount of energy generated could be
Energy from Earth’s spin: 3.9 x 10^41 J

Energy from Earth’s orbit: 1.323 x 10^43 J

At least 1.362 x 10^43 J or more

The most amazing thing is that the earth takes absolutely no damage when this happens. Lol almost like an Hax ability an unlimited supply of energy.
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uzuhiko fans arent gonna like this lols
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
I'm
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You are
 
Samlex1234 said:
Well one would be that it provides close to a limitless source of energy. First if will take just the orbit energy and spin that the earth would be producing for at least 5 billion years , the amount of energy generated could be
Energy from Earth’s spin: 3.9 x 10^41 J

Energy from Earth’s orbit: 1.323 x 10^43 J

At least 1.362 x 10^43 J or more

The most amazing thing is that the earth takes absolutely no damage when this happens. Lol almost like an Hax ability an unlimited supply of energy.
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Yeah, but I mean like how Newton discovered Gravity. What is the, “apple falling from the tree”, moment for Boruto when it comes to Uzuhiko? And I mean in the Original TL (Bc obviously “current” Boruto knows bc of Koji).
 
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