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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
KaydeeX
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literally why it’s UNKNOWN
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orochimaru because i can exploit my knowledge of the universe and be useful to orochimaru lol
Hidan is a religious nut and your usefulness is dying
Gaara wouldnt care
Jugo is literally crazy
Hidan is a religious nut and your usefulness is dying
Gaara wouldnt care
Jugo is literally crazy
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Konan CThe Most Objective Strongest Gorls ranking
KaydeeX
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Gaara
as long as you mind your business and sit through the 30 mins you’re good
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Maybe, but bro did use to get random killing urges back then lol, so u never know
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The moon isn't full today, so I might take my chances with Gaara. If it was, I'd go with Orochimaru.
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Yeah, as long as you're over the age of 17, your chances with Orochimaru may not be too bad ig.
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R > F so I can handle all 4 of them.
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Sounds strange but jugo. Hear me out : I'd just say I'm a monument of kimimaro and I'm good
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Lmfao, ykw? That might just work.
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Guys, enlighten me – does the Fourth Raikage have any notable intelligence feats in the series or is he just dumb?
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If you're gonna use that logic, there's a non-zero chance you're in a 2-dimensional room, so you'd be crushed.
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I don't look like any notable Kekkei Genkai users either, so I'd be fine, he'd, at worst, think I was an Inuzuka or Aburame or something.
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I wouldn't say his dumb, just not some ultra smart guy. He's gotta be decent enough to lead a village and be the leader of the forces iirc.Guys, enlighten me – does the Fourth Raikage have any notable intelligence feats in the series or is he just dumb?
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Fought Minato a bunch of times and didn't die. That's gotta be worth something.Guys, enlighten me – does the Fourth Raikage have any notable intelligence feats in the series or is he just dumb?
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He's not dumb, just kinda average by Naruto standards.
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He's a little dumb. He was the only Kage to get caught in Madara's Genjutsu, he smashes through walls instead of taking the door, he sacrified his arm just to get a hit in on Sasuke that ended up not amounting to much...
Very brute force centric, I suppose. Can point out to his teamwork with others I guess like collaborating with the Tsuchikage for their attacks.
Very brute force centric, I suppose. Can point out to his teamwork with others I guess like collaborating with the Tsuchikage for their attacks.
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Orochimaru.
Gaara and Jugo are normally chill if you mind your business but they have random uncontrollable fits. Its no telling when or why you'll be killed by them and I'm not risking it.
Hidan is super religious which wouldn't be so bad if his religion didn't revolve around human sacrifices. Nope!
Orochimaru is the only one who doesn't just kill senselessly and needlessly and with outside knowledge of the verse, I could hook him up with some cool info if it ever gets to the point that my life is in immediate danger.
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I feel like those, for the most part, are less sheer stupidity and more so his inability to keep his emotions in check. Dude's got some serious anger management issues.
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I mean I always saw it as a soulless piece of chakra, I don't think that's enough to assign a gender to it
My Goat remains unbeat even to this day
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That's actually an advanced Dynamic Entry variant.
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Correct me if i’m wrong but Itachi could’ve created an exploding Clone between him and Sasuke and escaped the Chidori/Explosion by kicking off it’s back, thus making the explosion on the roof we see simply the blast wave. Unquantifiable, sure, but plausible and within his ability. 
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I find even the facetank idea more reasonable tbh. This would mean he would have to be able to basically blitz Chidori Sasuke and tank his own attack.Correct me if i’m wrong but Itachi could’ve created an exploding Clone between him and Sasuke and escaped the Chidori/Explosion by kicking off it’s back, thus making the explosion on the roof we see simply the blast wave. Unquantifiable, sure, but plausible and within his ability.
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being a Kage and a skilled warrior with years of experience should grant him decent intelligenceGuys, enlighten me – does the Fourth Raikage have any notable intelligence feats in the series or is he just dumb?
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Fake Idgafer I saw you cherishing emotional connection in the same arc
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I don't know if I am remembering this correctly but there was a databook scan posted by testarossa a few months back, that stated the average shinobi is as smart as a scientist irl. If true, it can be used to at least support AA - Gifted intelligence, so ping them.Guys, enlighten me – does the Fourth Raikage have any notable intelligence feats in the series or is he just dumb?
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Despite this you will see some internet clowns who watched Naruto through YouTube state shit like:
"I don't get why Naruto is trying to save Sasuke, they were not even close. Shikamaru was his true friend all along"
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Madara vs Juuzo Shishima
Jinchuriki Madara (Pre absorption) vs Juuzo Shishima equal speed
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Kills me cause their friendship/rivalry was made so clearly in the first arc with him sacrificing himself for Naruto in chapter 27.
He really sees Team 7 as his found family.
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Ehhh I feel like those were just tests given what Rasa said in the WA
Nah, just 1 B rank mission. Though he has an A and S rank mission under his belt by the Sasuke Retrieval Arc which makes sense since SRA Gaara is defo jonin level.
That's CRAZY, Kakashi is literally the strongest jonin in Konoha and Kishimoto himself says Kakashi is qualified to be Hokage
Hm I feel like taking arcs for their impact within the story's overall context is fine since they are part of something bigger, but ig if you totally isolate it then sure ig (Prophecy and Vengeance hard clears Namek tho)
Kaguya a lil high and Delta/Tsunade/Kushina/Hima too low. Otherwise valid.The Most Objective Strongest Gorls ranking
But I mean she can just analyze the individual feats they performed like Hidari matching Boruto and Mamushi knocking Boruto into a wall.
For me, >> would be like the difference between someone and their Curse Mark level 2/Sage Mode version or a little less. Where the former can still react to and withstand attacks from them, but they can't really do anything to them individually.
My response to this is pretty much what I said before
What I mean is that Boruto is very casual and Code catching his arm allowed him to plant the seeds for Uzuhiko without actually hitting him, giving one more chance for Code to surrender first.
I think it is a weak assumption when Code has feats on that level and when the statement putting them above him have another valid interpretation, but maybe that's just me.
I don't really think Sick Itachi is that inferior to P1 Itachi in stats
Wonder why his face is wounded then
Eh, they were fighting pretty well against Konoha chunin and jonin
Supports the jonin level PT Gaara meta from pursuing him being an A rank mission
Yeah Chunin Exams is kinda close but I gotta give it to the peak of Shippuden. And you could throw in FSWW Countdown too which is the best "arc" in the WA imo
Orochimaru since he's chill unless he specifically has plans to use you. I could offer up knowledge to appease him or swear loyalty to him or smthn if things are looking dangerous.
He does kind of analyze FTG, though he gets outsmarted right afterGuys, enlighten me – does the Fourth Raikage have any notable intelligence feats in the series or is he just dumb?
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MinatoSparkle
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Chunin Exams (not including Konoha Crush) or Namek Saga (not including Ginyu or Frieza)?
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Naruto Conceptual Manipulation Addition
This should be a pretty simple thread with the evidence at hand. Rinnegan users should have Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation. The argument is as follows, the Rinnegan is stated to transcend the very concepts of Life and Death, and because of this...
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Funnily enough, Chunin Exams encompasses all of it up to the first Gaara fight and Namek encompasses everything up to the first couple Recoome fights. I'd say CE though.
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Wdym first Gaara fight?
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Yes, she can analyze that the Shinju are relative to Boruto just like Code is.
I find this kinda funny given that you believe Sage Mode is a 10-30x amp.
Anyway, that's fine. So to you it's basically the equivalent of ">~" or ">" for me. Sorta. Which might mean we don't even disagree that much since this wouldn't mean you believe the Shinju or Boruto can blitz/one-shot Code. So our stances may be somewhat reconcilable.
Sure, but I still don't see that as conclusive evidence that he's holding back significantly. Having a solid strategy and being confident in it =/= holding back your stats for no real reason.
Well, depends on where you got P1 Itachi in stats ig. We don't really know for sure whether he was sick or not back then (I think at least), so it's kinda hard to say for sure.
If we assume he blocked the Chidori with his arm (which does make more sense than him face-tanking it lol), I guess the scuff marks on his face could be explained by him getting hit with some debris while being sent through the ceiling or perhaps he got grazed by some of the Chidori's lightning branches.
The no name fodder, sure. But every elite Jonin (Kakashi, Guy, Hiashi, Inoichi, Choza, etc) was casually packing them up with the exception of Baki iirc.
Sure, and it's not like it necessarily contradicts anything since the only people who scale to that version are Sasuke (w/Chidori) and mental amped Naruto.
I agree, it's definitely up there. So I guess it can be added to the "PEAK" run of Naruto lol (Chapter 357-510)
True, it seems there's a consensus on Orochimaru being the best option.
