Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Kayzz]

no genjutsu has shown to work on edo tensei's and corpses IT is just an exception because its tied to the divine tree and sucking up living things chakra.

Further light - The Divine Tree could suck Edo Tensei chakra as it did Edo Madara's when the roots crossed his path.

However, the Shinju roots didn't instinctively go after Edo Tensei Zombies.

A possibility is that the edo sealing jutsu protects the dead souls from being sensed by the Divine Tree.

That possibility will probably be reinforced in the Boruto manga when the details of how the chakra(life force) of already dead humans, plants and animals (as stated by Isshiki and Jura) are consumed by the Shinju Tree.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Also yes.

Happy Birthday!

Also you have the same BD as my dad

 

[Kayzz]

My speculation

The War Arc Ten Tails already contained Kaguya's soul and chakra. Shoild be the reason why it developed into a Shinju, albeit not immediately. And probably why it was bulky from the start and getting bulkier too.
Kaguya's soul might have taken over and she became the Shinju (instead of using karma to escape) at the cost of losing her mind to some extent.

Boruto's Ten Tails was devoid of Otsutsuki chakra till Isshiki's chakra (or even Shibai's) got integrated via Code's claw mark. However, neither Isshiki or Shibai's soul was contained in it. It probably took three years to become a Shinju which resulted in the Hitoshinju.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

So....anyone wanna debate?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Bruh that was in reference to Slayer's earlier comment:

I also wasn't even talking to you. Why are you this touchy lol? Funny how multiple people (not just us two) took your statement at face value but you choose to fixate on me. Is everything alright with you buddy?

maybe I did not like what everyone had to say in disagreement?!
i didnt even take slayer seriously after seeing bleach and grandblue paired with the typical seinen elitist stuff get placed above naruto

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Thinking about it

Speed not being treated as proportional to AP n Chakra did more good for the verse's scaling than I realised

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

 

[HelloThere1089]

maybe I did not like what everyone had to say in disagreement?!
i didnt even take slayer seriously after seeing bleach and grandblue paired with the typical seinen elitist stuff get placed above naruto

Well no point in discussing this further. You will just have to accept that most people here won't glaze Naruto as much as you.

 

[SlendVeny]

So....anyone wanna debate?

I'm not doing anything else, I'm down for being a public spectacle.

 

[SlendVeny]

For the people who think the Sannin were in their prime when they fought Hanzo, do you think Hanzo was massively weaker when the Deva Path and Konan wiped his soldiers and then killed him, or do you think those two could stomp the Prime Sannin with no damage?

 

[Gokukid2005]

Yes, according to Hagoromo and the Databook, she used the IT a lot in the past.

its kinda crazy that she didn't have the moon available back then so she likely paired her far seeing vision from her byakugan with her rinnesharingan to cast the genjutsu

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Late response but the Minato lightspeed statement is about Flying Raijin

I thought about it but I don't think so. FTG doesn't have a set speed to begin with, it's just teleportation. Even if it isn't instant, it still wouldn't have a conventional speed as it'd take the same amount of time regardless of the distance.

The statement referring to a technique/techniques can just mean he's unavoidable when he uses FTG to stab someone off-guard which is a common tactic of his. This is consistent with how Minato using FTG in tandem with his attacks is referred to as part of his battle techniques.

Calling the blade "unavoidable" in the first place casts doubt on it referring to FTG too, as it isn't even an attack on its own, just a means of transportation.

the water bullet one is hyperbolic

Uhhh I mean you can interpret it as such but the statement doesn't specifically use hyperbolic language so I wouldn't call it a foregone conclusion.

and the Kirin one doesn’t do anything for scaling even if it’s taken literally, aka Kirin doesn’t help any scaling consistency.

I would say Deathbed Itachi manifesting Susanoo before it hits him provides a little consistency

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Naruto and Sasuke wish they could have this kind of rivalry

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

For the people who think the Sannin were in their prime when they fought Hanzo, do you think Hanzo was massively weaker when the Deva Path and Konan wiped his soldiers and then killed him, or do you think those two could stomp the Prime Sannin with no damage?

Hanzo was confirmed to have been out of his prime by the time Pain killed him.

As for the Sannin that Hanzo fought, if I'm not mistaken, SFT Tsunade was referred to as rusty. So you could argue 2nd and 3rd War era Sannin should likely scale to that level. Which makes sense 'cause even current day Jiraiya couldn't fathom how any single person could defeat Hanzo on their own. So I think (Prime) Hanzo still being somewhat relative to the current Sannin, at least without their newly acquired super forms in the case of Tsunade and Orochimaru, makes a bit of sense maybe.

its kinda crazy that she didn't have the moon available back then so she likely paired her far seeing vision from her byakugan with her rinnesharingan to cast the genjutsu

Yeah, was probably some shit similar to this, but probably even crazier range wise.
Either that, or she used her portals to use one of the moons from her other dimensions.

Naruto and Sasuke wish they could have this kind of rivalry

 

[AnimesFreak2]

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[MinatoSparkle]

The strongest stat in history vs the strongest stat of today

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

The strongest stat in history vs the strongest stat of today

The strongest Bible war in history vs the strongest Bible war of today

 

[Padaruyos]

Me when a Naruto CRT has UchihaSlayer and MinatoSparkle in it.

 

[Godernet]

Alright, real talk boys.
October is upon us, and I promised ya'll some CRTs. But decisions have to be made.

As you all know, due to Chakra no longer being considered a UES, major adjustments have to be made to the verse's AP.
This applies to both the Tier 8 Part I characters, as well as all of the Tier 7 Part II characters. Funnily enough, both of them are scaled from Sasuke's Katons.
So that's something that needs to be handled, but it should be relatively simple because it'll mostly be value swaps. Not a ton of adjustments will be made to the scaling.
Tier 6 and above won't be touched either as we went through painstaking trouble to make sure their scaling is based on feats, so they're not affected.

Then there's speed, of course. We already did Part I speed earlier this year, which leaves Part II and beyond.

So the question is: would you guys prefer it if we did speed first or AP? I'll make two posts after this one. Feel free to like the option you'd prefer to start the revisions off with. I mainly want to gauge what the masses want here. Cause I personally don't really care much either way. Both need to be done, and will be done eventually.

I'm a bit late but Chakra Blog would be my vote.

It has the most interesting ramifications from a revamp and is probably the subject that gets touched on the least on-site besides Speed and LS, and honestly, who cares that deeply about speed when it gets equalized more often than not anyway.

There are also just a lot of people who don’t know what Chakra is, supporters who confuse others trying to explain it in vs matches, or people who try to goon about what chakra can and can't do.

Definitely the most beneficial CRT of the group, at least imo.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I'm a bit late but Chakra Blog would be my vote.

It has the most interesting ramifications from a revamp and is probably the subject that gets touched on the least on-site besides Speed and LS, and honestly, who cares that deeply about speed when it gets equalized more often than not anyway.

There are also just a lot of people who don’t know what Chakra is, supporters who confuse others trying to explain it in vs matches, or people who try to goon about what chakra can and can't do.

Definitely the most beneficial CRT of the group, at least imo.

I hear you. And like I said before, I'm gonna be working on the Chakra blog on the side while I'm doing the other stuff because I need it accepted for my nefarious plans to bear fruit.

But Speed and AP take precedence because speed has been "awaiting revision" for 5 years at this point. And the AP ratings are just straight up wrong at this point due to the changes to UES. So I feel like those things are a bit more urgent, even if the chakra blog will be more beneficial in the long run.

TL;dr, Chakra blog wasn't one of the options, so go vote properly you goon.

 

[Godernet]

I hear you. And like I said before, I'm gonna be working on the Chakra blog on the side while I'm doing the other stuff because I need it accepted for my nefarious plans to bear fruit.

But Speed and AP take precedence because speed has been "awaiting revision" for 5 years at this point. And the AP ratings are just straight up wrong at this point due to the changes to UES. So I feel like those things are a bit more urgent, even if the chakra blog will be more beneficial in the long run.

TL;dr, Chakra blog wasn't one of the options, so go vote properly you goon.

I choose AP for now then since you're not wrong UES being gone cooked a lot of profiles.

 

[Godernet]

I hear you. And like I said before, I'm gonna be working on the Chakra blog on the side while I'm doing the other stuff because I need it accepted for my nefarious plans to bear fruit.

you and me both brotha

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The strongest Bible war in history vs the strongest Bible war of today

This reminded me of something I made a while ago when you were MIA

 

[Dragongod224]

This reminded me of something I made a while ago when you were MIA

Bro you know what happened to gojo later chapter gojo split into two

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Bro you know what happened to gojo later chapter gojo split into two

We ignore logic for memes

 

[Dragongod224]

We ignore logic for memes

I know that

 

[SlendVeny]

"Is he stronger than you, sensei?

"Hmm... good question. If Pain, as the leader of the Akatsuki, were superior to sick Itachi, who is superior to unsealed Orochimaru, my equal, and had a partner of unknown, but certainly above high Jonin level, power, and both used powers unknown to me, it might be a little tough."

"But would you lose?"

"Nah, I'd win."

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Is Kaguya's Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball 4D ?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Is Kaguya's Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball 4D ?

Kaguya's dimension is 4D cuz it's a space-time. But her ETSB is accepted as only destroying the space inside said dimension and recreating it. And even if it were 4D it wouldn't automatically be tier 2, in case you're wondering.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Kaguya's dimension is 4D cuz it's a space-time. But her ETSB is accepted as only destroying the space inside said dimension and recreating it. And even if it were 4D it wouldn't automatically be tier 2, in case you're wondering.

I wasn't thinking about Kaguya's Dimension, i was just asking if her ETSD is a 4D hax and if touching it grant resistance to Space-Time manipulation, Matter manipulation Existence Erasure on a 4D level.

 

[HelloThere1089]

I wasn't thinking about Kaguya's Dimension, i was just asking if her ETSD is a 4D hax and if touching it grant resistance to Space-Time manipulation, Matter manipulation Existence Erasure on a 4D level.

It's not accepted here. Though there are some arguments that I am now on the fence about, that I previously disagreed with.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Maturing is realizing this was a blessing in disguise

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

You guys know that shot in the anime of Obito trying to find Kakashi and Rin before seeing those massive explosions go off in the distance? Has anyone tried calculating those? I think it was in the manga too but either way those would work wonders for getting the Kid Kakashi and Obito keys back.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Kakashi can open the first gate. We saw this in Part 1. Assuming that Boruto can open it, can we increase his AP value in his profile by 5 times? The character doesn't use it anyway, so you can say it's unimportant. However, I think this can increase Base Naruto or at least Sage Naruto. Naruto is stronger than BE Kakashi when he is in base or at worst sage form. There was a statement like the strongest in the Shinobi World. There is also the statement of the strongest shinobi for Gokage.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Kakashi can open the first gate. We saw this in Part 1. Assuming that Boruto can open it, can we increase his AP value in his profile by 5 times? The character doesn't use it anyway, so you can say it's unimportant. However, I think this can increase Base Naruto or at least Sage Naruto. Naruto is stronger than BE Kakashi when he is in base or at worst sage form. There was a statement like the strongest in the Shinobi World. There is also the statement of the strongest shinobi for Gokage.

Wouldn't that create a circular scaling chain if I'm not wrong?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Wouldn't that create a circular scaling chain if I'm not wrong?

hmm do we accept Base Koji>5 Kage?

 

[HelloThere1089]

hmm do we accept Base Koji>5 Kage?

I don't think we do. Gaara's sand is 800 ET which is scaled from Kaguya. Base Koji is 80 ET.

 

[SlendVeny]

If someone were to do a fan reboot of the Naruto manga, would you want them to incorporate elements from the anime fillers? No matter your answer on that, what other elements would you like them to incorporate?

Ok, I'm not gonna lie, this is fully a thing I'm writing, it's one of the worse ideas I've had this year.(Probably not doing the filler thing)

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Speaking of 1st Gate, “Would” it affect Ninjutsu now that inhibitors are removed? Or just Capacity.

 

[Padaruyos]

Kakashi can open the first gate. We saw this in Part 1. Assuming that Boruto can open it, can we increase his AP value in his profile by 5 times? The character doesn't use it anyway, so you can say it's unimportant. However, I think this can increase Base Naruto or at least Sage Naruto. Naruto is stronger than BE Kakashi when he is in base or at worst sage form. There was a statement like the strongest in the Shinobi World. There is also the statement of the strongest shinobi for Gokage.

We already scale New Era Base Naruto to 800 ET. NE Kakashi is only at most 80 ET, 1st Gate NE Kakashi would be 400 ET, which is still a lot less than Base Nard.

Only way that statement would've helped is if it also applies to speed, which would increase Nard's speed to 50c