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FTL+ Naruto being discussed in a legitimate way is bringing a tear to my eye… 🥹

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Question: Should we not escalate young Hiruzen over Tobirama since some Databok claims that Hiruzen left Tobirama behind and declares him as the strongest Hokague?
 
Okay so is 45.6c Nard legit?
If you can prove Naruto>1st Gate Kakashi
For reference, this conversation is about Naruto having his limiters removed in the novel?
It's about Naruto>1st Gate Kakashi>5x>Kakashi = 9.12c
Question: Should we not escalate young Hiruzen over Tobirama since some Databok claims that Hiruzen left Tobirama behind and declares him as the strongest Hokague?
The statement refers to talent which you can interpret as talent to be an overall better ninja including stats, but it's not definitive enough to get a full rating
 
If you can prove Naruto>1st Gate Kakashi

It's about Naruto>1st Gate Kakashi>5x>Kakashi = 9.12c

The statement refers to talent which you can interpret as talent to be an overall better ninja including stats, but it's not definitive enough to get a full rating
However, we also have another statement as the strongest Hokague, the only one that could be Retcon would be Hashirama, but even that could be old Hiruzen or that they did not have data on Hashirama.
 
However, we also have another statement as the strongest Hokague, the only one that could be Retcon would be Hashirama, but even that could be old Hiruzen or that they did not have data on Hashirama.
I'm fine with using that to put him above Tobirama and maybe Base Minato, but it's only reputation so probably doesn't include Hashirama who died so long ago or SM Minato who no one saw fight (I also have my doubts about Base Hokage Minato but that's a different story)
 
Young Base Hiruzen being > Base Hashi, Tobirama, and Base Minato is plausible I think. He was 69 yo and still Sannin level, and apparently also above every other Kage at that time, including some power houses like A4 and Onoki.
 
I'm fine with using that to put him above Tobirama and maybe Base Minato, but it's only reputation so probably doesn't include Hashirama who died so long ago or SM Minato who no one saw fight (I also have my doubts about Base Hokage Minato but that's a different story)
The strongest of all the hokage and
Revered as the "professor
However, both Kishimoto specifically refers to Hiruzen as the strongest Hokague.
And the villagers consider him the strongest, so not only are they villagers, but Kishimoto apart, Hiruzen lived together, myth Hashirama's wife, Tsunade's advisors, people possibly knew about the power, Hashirama and Uchihas knew Madara, even if they believed Prime Hiruzen was stronger and even
 
The strongest of all the hokage and
Revered as the "professor
However, both Kishimoto specifically refers to Hiruzen as the strongest Hokague.
And the villagers consider him the strongest, so not only are they villagers, but Kishimoto apart, Hiruzen lived together, myth Hashirama's wife, Tsunade's advisors, people possibly knew about the power, Hashirama and Uchihas knew Madara, even if they believed Prime Hiruzen was stronger and even
We see during the Nine Tails attack Hiruzen can't do much against Kurama while Hashirama instantly folded him after he activates Sage Mode, there's no way Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama's mokuton
 
The strongest of all the hokage and
Revered as the "professor
However, both Kishimoto specifically refers to Hiruzen as the strongest Hokague.
And the villagers consider him the strongest, so not only are they villagers, but Kishimoto apart, Hiruzen lived together, myth Hashirama's wife, Tsunade's advisors, people possibly knew about the power, Hashirama and Uchihas knew Madara, even if they believed Prime Hiruzen was stronger and even
That statement can also be translated as revered as the Professor, the strongest Hokage, which can simply mean revered as the strongest which is his consistent lore.

Knowing about Hashirama and Madara =/= knowing exactly how strong they are
If we take the Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage seriously there's going to be a huge number of High 6-Bs in the verse
Why? There aren't many people that scale to Prime Hiruzen
 
That statement can also be translated as revered as the Professor, the strongest Hokage, which can simply mean revered as the strongest which is his consistent lore.

Knowing about Hashirama and Madara =/= knowing exactly how strong they are

Why? There aren't many people that scale to Prime Hiruzen
I mean the first part doesn't come from some villager. X if not Kishimoto the one who mentions revered and strongest hokague



I don't think Orochimaru considered Hiruzen to be the strongest Hokague, even knowing that he recognized how tough Hashi and Tobirama were when he brought edo kagues
 
I mean the first part doesn't come from some villager. X if not Kishimoto the one who mentions revered and strongest hokague
Wut
I don't think Orochimaru considered Hiruzen to be the strongest Hokague, even knowing that he recognized how tough Hashi and Tobirama were when he brought edo kagues
He didn't yes cause he researched Madara and had an idea of how strong he was
 
Wut

He didn't yes cause he researched Madara and had an idea of how strong he was
Uh, however, Orochimaru never contradicts that Hiruzen's finest hour was the strongest Hokague, knowing how strong Madara and even Hashirama were and that Kishimoto openly said that he was the strongest Hokague in Datobok and the manga and we have no anti -feats for what was prime hiruzen
 
You know I was just thinking how absurdly broken Naruto's clone spam training regime is when he came up with the Rasenshuriken, and how it's just never used again. 20+ years worth of training in just a week at most is ludicrous.

Naruto could get a college degree in just a few days with that. How hasn't he mastered FTG yet, a month of training is more time than Minato's entire lifespan ☠️
 
You know I was just thinking how absurdly broken Naruto's clone spam training regime is when he came up with the Rasenshuriken, and how it's just never used again. 20+ years worth of training in just a week at most is ludicrous.

Naruto could get a college degree in just a few days with that. How hasn't he mastered FTG yet, a month of training is more time than Minato's entire lifespan ☠️
I can't believe Kakashi never used it.
 
What about Tobirama? Is it possible he could have used a more limited version of the clone training, in comparison to Naruto, since he did have to find out the limits of the jutsu?
Well, he thought two clones was a pathetic amount, and given his Senju chakra reserves, he could theoretically get decent results with it.
He literally invented it. Even if it's only 2x speed, it really shouldn't be that hard for him. Imagine, for instance, he did something with low chakra consumption, like Taijutsu training.
I guess I should've said "he can't use it to the same degree as Naruto", but yes he can use a much limited form of the clone training. And for all we know, that may be how he made so much progress in the last 15 years.
 
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