If you can prove Naruto>1st Gate Kakashi
It's about Naruto>1st Gate Kakashi>5x>Kakashi = 9.12c
The statement refers to talent which you can interpret as talent to be an overall better ninja including stats, but it's not definitive enough to get a full rating
However, we also have another statement as the strongest Hokague, the only one that could be Retcon would be Hashirama, but even that could be old Hiruzen or that they did not have data on Hashirama.
I'm fine with using that to put him above Tobirama and maybe Base Minato, but it's only reputation so probably doesn't include Hashirama who died so long ago or SM Minato who no one saw fight (I also have my doubts about Base Hokage Minato but that's a different story)
The strongest of all the hokage and
We see during the Nine Tails attack Hiruzen can't do much against Kurama while Hashirama instantly folded him after he activates Sage Mode, there's no way Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama's mokuton
That statement can also be translated as revered as the Professor, the strongest Hokage, which can simply mean revered as the strongest which is his consistent lore.
Why? There aren't many people that scale to Prime Hiruzen
a 50-something year old Hiruzen with a young Hashirama, I don't think this comparison is fair.
There's no joke, I was talking about base forms. Unless you mean frotting, which is funny.
I mean the first part doesn't come from some villager. X if not Kishimoto the one who mentions revered and strongest hokague
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Wut
He didn't yes cause he researched Madara and had an idea of how strong he was
If someone learned something, my work is done for today.
Akamaru:Sasuke lowkey might be the best written character in Naruto
When did that happen?
When he lost his hair.
X doubt
Uh, however, Orochimaru never contradicts that Hiruzen's finest hour was the strongest Hokague, knowing how strong Madara and even Hashirama were and that Kishimoto openly said that he was the strongest Hokague in Datobok and the manga and we have no anti -feats for what was prime hiruzen
I can't believe Kakashi never used it.You know I was just thinking how absurdly broken Naruto's clone spam training regime is when he came up with the Rasenshuriken, and how it's just never used again. 20+ years worth of training in just a week at most is ludicrous.
Naruto could get a college degree in just a few days with that. How hasn't he mastered FTG yet, a month of training is more time than Minato's entire lifespan
He can't use it.
What about Tobirama? Is it possible he could have used a more limited version of the clone training, in comparison to Naruto, since he did have to find out the limits of the jutsu?
He literally invented it. Even if it's only 2x speed, it really shouldn't be that hard for him. Imagine, for instance, he did something with low chakra consumption, like Taijutsu training.
Well, he thought two clones was a pathetic amount, and given his Senju chakra reserves, he could theoretically get decent results with it.
I guess I should've said "he can't use it to the same degree as Naruto", but yes he can use a much limited form of the clone training. And for all we know, that may be how he made so much progress in the last 15 years.
Might actually be viable for him only after the War Arc because there's no Sharingan constantly sucking his chakra anymore.
Naruto and Obito exist so I’m not gonna give him a concrete.
Nah, definitely not. Some may come close, but none will ever reach the GOAT's level.Sasuke lowkey might be the best written character in Naruto
Who is this person?
Valid take
Not contradicting =/= agreeing, especially when the subject never got brought up in the war
Something interesting to keep note of is the fact that Hiruzen was the most popular Hokage by a long margin, the people adored him apparently (at least for most of his incredibly lengthy reign), so it's possible his reputation has a bit of bias/glaze/propaganda thrown into it as is often the case with super popular people who get placed on pedestals.
Definitely. Jiraiya isn't surviving a fight with Base Healthy Itachi, let alone Itachi with his MS. Kisame could have legitimately gotten stronger though since he does regularly spar with Itachi as shown in Storm Generations which has Canon info.
