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Same. I was in 6th Grade at the time.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
HelloThere1089
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Yes but Amado's admission doesn't mean as much to Shikamaru as Sarada does to Sasuke, or Amado's inventions do to Amado. So if we're going by things to trust, Shikamaru has the least.
Amado's admission is a part of the contradictions, not something separate. It's like how Sasuke gave his headband to Boruto and not Kawaki.
There is no way that's true. Just think about what each of them have to combat Omnipotence. Which do you think is more trustworthy? Do you think Shikamaru trusts Amado's admission nearly as much as Sasuke does Sarada? Or Amado does his own habits and inventions? Even in this chapter, Shikamaru doesn't even think about Amado's admission. Amado's admission holds as much relevance as any other contradiction, for example when Sasuke pointed out that Momoshiki was inside Boruto. So I don't see why you're counting Amado's admission as something extra when it's a part of the bag of contradictions that every character has to deal with.
Yup. And this is harder for Shikamaru because he doesn't have a solid anchor. When Amado asks himself why he believes that Kawaki is the one with his daughter's data, he has his own habits and inventions as proof, something that he trusts more than anything and something that isn't tampered by Omnipotence. Same with Sasuke. But that isn't the case for Shikamaru. Amado's admission holds as much weight for Shikamaru as any other physical or memory contradiction.
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Not the case. Based on what Sarada said, the contradictions being suppressed are strictly related to Boruto and Kawaki. The head band that Boruto should have, Momoshiki, that afflicts Boruto, Kawaki’s modifications, Boruto’s pictures, etc.
Amadou’s statement about his beliefs on the matter based on his tech wouldn’t fall into the category of things Omnipotence is suppressing.
The question isn’t about which is more trustworthy. Shikamaru clearly isn’t using “trust” in the same way as Sasuke or Amadou. He’s working with the information he has, and is coming to a conclusion based on that because of the logic and sense it makes, which is more than Sasuke and Amadou has (Edit: I should say more “Direct” then they have, for clarification sake).
Disagree, and it not being mentioned doesn’t mean it’s not a factor still. You’re coupling Amadou’s admission with things that are affected by Omnipotence and it’s not one of them. I refer back to my first response above. I’ll also add that this chapter also proves Boruto’s Account is not “fully” affected by Omnipotence, only certain aspects of it, which Shikamaru recounts and is shown to us. This adds more support that Amadou’s statements aren’t affected as it has no parts that Omnipotence would suppress. Shikamaru’s ability to remember his conversation isn’t suppressed. “Omnipotence” is suppressed. Not the general information relayed.
Again, I refer to my first response above.
This is only correct if you believe Amadou’s Admission would be affected by Omnipotence, but it isn’t.
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He was literally ordered to do it, and told if he didn't, they'd be killed anyway, along with him, his brother, and many more civilians.
"Contributed" is doing some heavy lifting considering they were being actively marginalized, and then planned a bloodless coup without the use of the Nine-Tails.
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We likey.
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Jura the edge lord
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Pain, Itachi, Kabuto, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Hiruzen, Gaara and Shikamaru are the best written characters in this series. Shikamaru is unfortunately hated in the Naruto fandom in Turkey. Especially in these TBV incidents, the group that translated the manga cursed Shikamaru's mother. They are all Hashirama fans. One of those guys worshipped Hashirama, but I don't think he is such a well written character. I mean, I don't understand how someone can praise Hashirama's writing while seeing most of the other characters as trash when there are dozens of good characters in this series.
HelloThere1089
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"Amado worked on Kawaki and not Boruto" is not different from "Boruto was in pictures with Naruto and Kawaki wasn't". Both serve to prove that there was a switch in one's memory as Amado stated. So agree to disagree.
Which is why it's harder for him. That's my point. His trust is working in a more abstract manner.
I disagree. The information and amount of it is irrelevant since it clearly goes away eventually. Everything boils down to "why" one believes what they do.
Refer above.
This chapter doesn't prove that. Omnipotence is clearly stated to erase someone's memory "as time passes". So currently Shikamaru might remember some parts of it, but he's prolly gonna forget more and more with time.
For Shikamaru, yes. I think Omnipotence is gonna make him ignore these facts just like all the files and pictures of Boruto and Kawaki.
At the end of the day, none of this actually matters. The amount of data is irrelevant since Omnipotence is clearly defined in a way that these things don't matter. One's mind is always gonna start ignoring them, so I don't think accounting for them makes any sense. All that matters is the reasoning one gives for helping Boruto. Sasuke does this cuz he trusts Sarada. And because of that all the facts make sense to him. But if you remove Sarada, the facts won't matter. Similarly Amado only cares about his daughter and trusts his habits. So he isn't even worried about trusting Boruto or believing that a switch happened. So it's the easiest for Amado imo. Finally Shikamaru first has to establish trust in Boruto for an abstract reason and then all the facts make sense. He has to work backwards which is way harder imo.
So in terms of how hard it is for them, I think:
Shikamaru > Sasuke > Amado (by his own admission)
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On top of all that, the same guy couldn't even begin to criticize Hashirama in terms of power. When the guy was asked Hagoromo or Hashirama, he said he wasn't sure. He made a video called Hashirama vs DMS Kakashi and said, "Are you comparing a PERFECTLY WRITTEN character like Hashirama with the DMS Kakashi nonsense?" The guy doesn't even know the subject he's criticizing after making his video. People are comparing DMS Kakashi to Hashirama in terms of power, but the guy is talking about how written he is. He even made a comment like, "Tsunade is stronger than Tobirama because she's his student."
XSOULOFCINDERX
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What the ****...?
HelloThere1089
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Shika dear deserves more love.
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idk in a question on hashirama vs hagoromo is ridiculous i can't begin to imagine. It's like his brain knows it's hag but he just doesn't want to say it
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a lot of people in the fan base view him as a saint, a narutoesque kinda guy
That's why i used the word monster
I'm well aware of the circumstances that drove him to wipe out the clan
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Hagoromo is a dumb composite character with essentially all the hax, skill, and intelligence under the sun.
BUT, Hashirama is a chad tree man...
I think the answer to who would win is rather obvious.
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So in our fandom Hagoromo>All characters because his HAX's are so good even the crowd that says it's better. He even had a meme. When someone asked what Hagoromo's hax was on an Instagram post, he said "he has a different hax". I've been using this meme for 3 years. I even wrote about it in a Versus Thread here.
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people dont understand that the point wasnt that itachi didnt make the better choice out of the two, its the idea that itachi only had two options, which itachi himself laments on.
saying itachi had no other option means you already agree with Danzo's ultimatum.
saying itachi had no other option means you already agree with Danzo's ultimatum.
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Bro what didn't you understand Hashirama is a perfectly written character that's why above DMS kaashi and Tsunade are stronger than Tobirama because he is his student.
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If we take itachi novels as canon then I'm fairly certain fugaku and itachi would have worked something out. Worst case scenario the uchicha leave the village
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No it doesn't, what are you on about? Danzo was factually making him choose one.
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Realistically, was there any other choice for Itachi? Danzou straight up told him that the Leaf was gonna pre-empt the Uchiha and that everyone would have to die because the kids seeing Leaf Ninja kill their family would create animosity towards the village and the Uchiha were already dead set on Rebelling.
The only way it could have ended peacefully was if Hiruzen named Fugaku the next Hokage or something (But the Elders and Danzou would have sank that Ship in the meeting with the Feudal Lord or actively worked against it).
I can’t realistically see it happening any other way unless Minato / Obito didn’t die/betray and it was clear Obito would be the next Hokage. Anything short of more power in Government was really not an option for the Uchiha.
The only way it could have ended peacefully was if Hiruzen named Fugaku the next Hokage or something (But the Elders and Danzou would have sank that Ship in the meeting with the Feudal Lord or actively worked against it).
I can’t realistically see it happening any other way unless Minato / Obito didn’t die/betray and it was clear Obito would be the next Hokage. Anything short of more power in Government was really not an option for the Uchiha.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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I know there was the whole Shisui plan but we know how that ended....
HelloThere1089
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I am actually curious about this. Any rebuttals anyone?
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Kotoamatsukami is an utterly ridiculous ability, so yes. He can punch well above his weight class with it.
But in terms of talent, he was pretty much an equal to Itachi, more or less, so he'd probably end up being on par with Itachi at his peak when both of them hit their hypothetical prime.
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I think he'd be like Itachi level, maybe Itachi+ if you're generous.
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A surviving adult Obito and Rin getting married might have actually prevented the coup.
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Superior to Itachi, and probably Bijuu level IF he got the Perfect Susano'o(so let's hope he has a brother with some eyes)
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Itachi was already comfortably Bijuu level without the Susano'o lmao.
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I could see him being above Itachi tbh, at least physically. Also considering Itachi’s health holds him back quite a bit
Last chapter got me wondering how old these mfs are. They were old af in Shippuden and still hold their positions in the new era lmao
Like I said to Slayer I could def see him being above Itachi, and I think he’d already be Bijuu level without PS. We already have somewhat of a relativity between Akatsuki members and Bijuu/Jinchuriki
HelloThere1089
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What's the reason for Shisui > Itachi?
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I think Shisui can beat max Hidan and Konan from Akatsuki.
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He was slightly superior to Itachi when he was still alive, but tbh I think that was mainly because Shisui was a bit older and because he had a Mangekyo Sharingan and Itachi didn't. But in terms of potential, skill, talent, etc, I think they're more or less dead even IMO.
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Just based on their scaling to each other when they were both alive at the same time, Shisui was considered the strongest living Uchiha at the time. Makes sense considering he had the MS and a Humanoid Susano'o.
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They're Hiruzen's classmates, so they should've been ~69-70 in Part I.
This would make them 72 during Part II. 74 during The Last. 87 during NNG. And ~90 during TBV.
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madara and orochimaro claiming immortality with so much amp meahwhile these MF just sitting and casually have true immortalityThey're Hiruzen's classmates, so they should've been ~69-70 in Part I.
This would make them 72 during Part II. 74 during The Last. 87 during NNG. And ~90 during TBV.
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the correct answer would be to choose neither because danzo making him choose is a false dichotomy.
just because Danzo gives you two options doesnt mean only two options exist.
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"Do this and live or do nothing and die."
"I pick neither! I won't do anything."
"So... the second?"
