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thing is full power jigen scales more than 10 times where you want to put the 10ish % jigen at so your CRT is not relevant to ap. I guess you can argue for koji upgrade but it can never affect jigen. The speed own needs a huge amount of work. Tbh i was the one that upgraded the verse to ftl+ that time using the KK agenda but nierre nuked it in a few days. We'll see about it though
Okay may I see the CRT of yours and Nierre? just so i dont get hit with the "this argument has been rejected before"

and no I have no intentions of downgrading Jigen one bit
 
Okay may I see the CRT of yours and Nierre? just so i dont get hit with the "this argument has been rejected before"

and no I have no intentions of downgrading Jigen one bit
 
thing is full power jigen scales more than 10 times where you want to put the 10ish % jigen at so your CRT is not relevant to ap. I guess you can argue for koji upgrade but it can never affect jigen. The speed own needs a huge amount of work. Tbh i was the one that upgraded the verse to ftl+ that time using the KK agenda but nierre nuked it in a few days. We'll see about it though
I actually was the original one to make the thread using the kk agenda
 
I actually was the original one to make the thread using the kk agenda
That's a lot of CRTs and discussions damn

welp its time to lock in
 
If I'm understanding Ghost correctly, Jigen isn't getting revised here. Instead Koji is getting bumped to base Jigens key.
Correct, im tryna nuke the multiplier as a whole, did more damage to the scaling than it did upgrades and whatever upgrades happened at the time was based on shaky assumptions either way
 
Chakra is proportional to AP tho
tbh i never agreed with this, I only accepted stronger chakra or transformations giving a buff to stats

e.g. if kisame fought with doubled chakra it doesnt really amp his base stats, it just gives more stamina and bigger reserve to draw chakra for stronger attacks
 
tbh i never agreed with this, I only accepted stronger chakra or transformations giving a buff to stats

e.g. if kisame fought with doubled chakra it doesnt really amp his base stats, it just gives more stamina and bigger reserve to draw chakra for stronger attacks
Why does Naruto get stronger the more Nine Tails Chakra he's given
 
tbh i never agreed with this, I only accepted stronger chakra or transformations giving a buff to stats

e.g. if kisame fought with doubled chakra it doesnt really amp his base stats, it just gives more stamina and bigger reserve to draw chakra for stronger attacks
it is chakra quality + chakra control = AP
 
It's not even that lol. The chakra sphere is just monitoring the chakra signatures in the battlefield. This means that the Juubi had almost as much chakra as everyone on the battlefield, but that's about all we can get out of that statement.
There's no tier 5 scaling to be extrapolated from that statement, or any other tier for that matter.
Add all their AP together
 
Base War Arc Naruto Runs a Akatsuki Guantlet. Where does he stop?
  1. Hidan
  2. Sasori
  3. Kakuzu
  4. Konan (No Prep)
  5. Orochimaru (Konoha Crush)
  6. Kisame
  7. Deidara
  8. Itachi
  9. 6 Paths of Pain
  10. Orange Mask Obito
 
Even though the Wiki doesn’t use them, I do find the stats in the DB’s to be interesting. So according to the Databook, Base BoShippuden Naruto is slightly stronger than Genma physically, slightly better taijutsu skill and equally as fast.
 
Even though the Wiki doesn’t use them, I do find the stats in the DB’s to be interesting.
IIRC we do based on a Case by Case Basis

 
Yeah, I think it falls under this rule

Take care to evaluate Naruto databook descriptions on a case-by-case basis when using them for scaling, as these sources vary from consistent with the manga to questionable hyperbole.
 
Two Questions

What happened to FP Kcm adult naruto scaling 2x over Fused momo as he had half chakra at the time?

Also Is Kakashi's current placement at 10c instead of 9c valid?
 
because the power increases duh
Which comes from more of his chakra being released?
not everything has to do with quantity
and this is shown in four tails transformation where naruto needs to handle stronger chakra
From V1 to V2 there is specific emphasis put on quality, but I mean between the same version. There's a reason hype statements have ppl being like "Dam this dude has so much chakra we're cooked"
 
So that's the result from the translation request thread, doesn't use several but ik the kanji CAN be translated as several steps so it's not impossible still (personally this has made me less convinced though).
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just make the damn crt if u care so much. all this fuss just to say "idrc to make a crt" is corny.
"All this fuss" was before Arc making the argument of tying the several steps statement to the order of magnitude statement, after which I basically said "ok" and the message just now, which was a follow up on something I said I'd do previously
 
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