Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah. It's calc stacking iirc. The Jura stuff I mean.

what if we used statements to determine their speed and then use the jura calc on that

naruto dodged a beam that gets him to 0.1c
jura shoots 1000x sarada's speed so MFTL upgrade


(not that I am against it but it's weird that the wiki allows multipliers but not calc stacking even tho reasonings for the latter is similar with multipliers)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If Bleach could get past sub-lightning speed Femritters and Mach 500 Gin then we would be fine with light speed Jura

praying that hell arc adds a statement about how ichigo with a brand new technique can super charge himself to the level of approaching light speed (kubo do this and my life is yours!!)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Was the FTL+ upgrade not enough of a w? Let’s slow down lmao

oh definitely
I'm not gonna force upgrades back to back and risk them all getting nuked, ftl+ seemed like it would never be shown on naruto's profile
maybe after a few weeks would be good, I'll get time to strengthen them as well

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Jura to Boruto
" Otutsuki Boruto, Hast thou the feeble wit to perceive the boundless speed at which I move? Nay, thou art far too slow, unable to fathom infinite, so pitiful”

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speaking of that, Need Amado to yap like this when he brings up Shibai next

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

If Bleach could get past sub-lightning speed Femritters and Mach 500 Gin then we would be fine with light speed Jura

You know the current Bleach speed meta is based around a calc using Mach 500 Gin right? Bleach is not past Mach 500 Gin on wiki

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Bruh this isn't even a databook statement, it's just a fanmade Narutoversity article explaining medical ninjutsu https://narutoversity.wordpress.com/category/explaining-chakra-and-jutsu/

I'm going to kill myself now thanks

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Uh...heh heh, on the subject of FTL+ Naruto...
ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。
She could tell that the technique, enhanced by the drug, had become much faster and more destructive compared to when she first saw it.

And uh, even the initial orders of magnitude statement seems to actually just mean one
「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」
―I can't say it's a very refined form, but you can tell it has become of a different order of magnitude in strength, right? (I needed to mention the order of magnitude definition to even get this translation, automatically Chat GPT just says ridiculously stronger)

I'm going to kill myself now thanks

There will be future upgrades!
Sorry for raining on ur parade even more

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

If Minato & Kushina never died and Naruto never became a Jinchuriki, he would still likely be a monster.

1. Better Taijutsu Early On
2. Rasengan Early On
3. Better Chakra Control Early On
4. Taught the Uzumaki Sealing Jutsu Early On
5. Possible Access to Sealing Chains
6. Likely SM Training Earlier in his life
7. Taught Nature Release Earlier in his life

Ntm that his Rivalry with Sasuke due to the Indra/Ashura shindig would spurn a lot of this on. I honestly see him easily surpassing Jiraiya by 16.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Minato Vs Akatsuki:

1. Deidara — Blitzed
2. Sasori — Blitzed
3. Hidan — Blitzed
4. Kakuzu — Blitzed
5. Itachi — “Likely” loses to Tsukiyomi.
6. Kisame — Blitzed
7. Konan — Blitzed
8. 6 Paths of Pain — Blitzed
9. Decrepit Nagato — Blitzed
10. Orochimaru — Blitzed
11. OM Obito — Fairs better than in The Nine-Tails Incident but still gets dismantled.

 

[Samlex1234]

I know we know that Guy was at least moving at relativistic speed in his finally attack against madara, has anyone tried to calculate the amount of energy he was producing?. I just want to know if there is something before doing anything.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Minato Vs Akatsuki:

1. Deidara — Blitzed
2. Sasori — Blitzed
3. Hidan — Blitzed
4. Kakuzu — Blitzed
5. Itachi — “Likely” loses to Tsukiyomi.
6. Kisame — Blitzed
7. Konan — Blitzed
8. 6 Paths of Pain — Blitzed
9. Decrepit Nagato — Blitzed
10. Orochimaru — Blitzed
11. OM Obito — Fairs better than in The Nine-Tails Incident but still gets dismantled.

Tsukuyomi still needs time to travel from Itachi's eyes to the opponent's.

 

[Samlex1234]

I know we know that Guy was at least moving at relativistic speed in his finally attack against madara, has anyone tried to calculate the amount of energy he was producing?. I just want to know if there is something before doing anything.

Basically, the relativistic kinetic energy for a character with a mass of I assume 70 kg moving at 90% of the speed of light. Which should be around 8.15 x 10*18 joules.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yooooo

 

[Samlex1234]

waiting for Samlex’s 4-B Kaguya physicals scale

H4A*

lol, I’m sorry to burst your bubble but I scale ETSO to 2c easily. I have better feats and statements to scale the verse to universal than 4A. I mean Naruto casually causing tears in space, parallel dimensions, momoshiki creates his dimension, kaguya was about to destroy and recreate hers. Momoshiki possibly causing a supernova. ( My personal scaling meta’s)

 

[karo_senpaii]

Will my glorious king menma have his dai rasengan upgraded due to konoha new size?

 

[Ped2018]

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[Testarossa002]

praying that hell arc adds a statement about how ichigo with a brand new technique can super charge himself to the level of approaching light speed (kubo do this and my life is yours!!)

https://media.**********.net/attachments/954942238348177441/1280763979819388980/20240811_024144.jpg?ex=66d943e8&is=66d7f268&hm=8e27bf0fedc6c45232157afae72d78046fae7532598907de882aeec8f7b77e7c&

 

[Kaydee1648]

Uh...heh heh, on the subject of FTL+ Naruto...
ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。
She could tell that the technique, enhanced by the drug, had become much faster and more destructive compared to when she first saw it.

And uh, even the initial orders of magnitude statement seems to actually just mean one
「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」
―I can't say it's a very refined form, but you can tell it has become of a different order of magnitude in strength, right? (I needed to mention the order of magnitude definition to even get this translation, automatically Chat GPT just says ridiculously stronger)

There will be future upgrades!
Sorry for raining on ur parade even more

ケタ違い
This is the Kanji that relates to “several orders of magnitude”
ケタ違い (Keta chigai) is a Japanese expression that translates to:

• "Orders of magnitude"
• "Exponentially different"
• "On a different scale"
• "Completely different level"
• "Vastly different"

Also, Isn’t the novel translation official?

 

[DavidTPPM]

lol, I’m sorry to burst your bubble but I scale ETSO to 2c easily. I have better feats and statements to scale the verse to universal than 4A. I mean Naruto casually causing tears in space, parallel dimensions, momoshiki creates his dimension, kaguya was about to destroy and recreate hers. Momoshiki possibly causing a supernova. ( My personal scaling meta’s)

All to get one shotted by the power of a planet

 

[Floxy178]

Even if you had the exponent, would you be able to do anything with that anyway? If the exponent were 2, for example, then how much of an increase that is would depend on the unit of energy. You'd get some ridiculously goofy numbers if you squared Naruto's AP measured in Joules, but then you'd get no increase at all if you squared Naruto's AP measured in Narutos. It's all arbitrary.

If 1 Naruto = x joules then after calculating 1^2 you should convert this not via multiplying by x but by x^2.

Yeah exponential amps are useless unless you know what unit they apply to

It doesn't really matter, applying it to 10 m or 1000 cm should give same result and for converting units you should use 100^(exponent), not 100.

Not sure what ppl will do with units like joule^2.71 tho

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Will my glorious king menma have his dai rasengan upgraded due to konoha new size?

yes

 

[Kaydee1648]

Are there any reasons Minato don’t have FTL reaction speed due to the recent upgrades?

higher reaction speed (He reacted to and teleported Madara's Truth-Seeking Balls at the exact moment they touched him)

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

He reacted to and teleported Madara's Balls at the exact moment they touched him

 

[DavidTPPM]

Are there any reasons Minato don’t have FTL reaction speed due to the recent upgrades?

The upgrade is chaotic af rn.
8 gates Guy and 1r Madara for some reason scale only to half of the new FTL value because Madara is "close to Hagoromo", but a fatigued base Sasuke somehow scales above the value so much he upscales to FTL+ despite being considered "pitiful" and "pathetic" compared to his full WA strength.

Overall the in-universe scaling is all over the place.

 

[Kayzz]

“Significantly Weakened Naruto”

Yet can swap hands with BEYOND Six Paths Characters and Kill them with his own Ninjutsu…

If losing Kurama is a Significant nerf, that means Naruto and Sasuke truly leaped beyond Kaguya SIGNIFICANTLY.

Also, this is the 2nd “Exponentially” statement in the series… are we still maintaining that verbiage is “Hyperbole”…

Stamina..

Kurama's chakra increases length of time fighting.

 

[Robo432343]

it says new era sasuke is FTL+
so doesn't that mean naruto is also FTL+
edit: yes

 

[karo_senpaii]

Are there any reasons Minato don’t have FTL reaction speed due to the recent upgrades?

when he still had one hand, he simultaneously attacked with gaara and kakashi but was still somehow unable to react to madara so he definitely does not fully scale. probably just timed it well since the balls came from a bit far away. Yes i know it would be virtually impossible for a sub rel character to do that but the sub rel is just coz the verse needs a speed revision

 

[Godernet]

All Test did was update the people that currently are FTL and the ones that upscale to FTL+

None of the characters that weren’t previously FTL have been changed yet.

Plans on adjusting speed are in the future but we’re taking things one step at a time since there’s a lot to fix.

For those complaining about current speed scaling and not helping, stop complaining and wait.

Also making stat bump CRTs on one or two characters doesn’t help untangle the mess for the overall verse as a whole or make it any quicker.

Not to mention the people making 15 God tiers CRTs a week

 

[Samlex1234]

@Nierre

 

[Sasukesama0492]

Minor Hidari/Shinju ability addition

Enhaced Senses (Even if Ada isn’t there, Mamushi realizes that she is watching him.) Limited Immortality (Type 8;they can be resurrected permanently as long as they have the Soul Thorn Lamp Limited Resurrection ( Low Godly; After being completely erased, he was resurrected even though his mind...

vsbattles.com

 

[MinatoSparkle]

ケタ違い
This is the Kanji that relates to “several orders of magnitude”
ケタ違い (Keta chigai) is a Japanese expression that translates to:

• "Orders of magnitude"
• "Exponentially different"
• "On a different scale"
• "Completely different level"
• "Vastly different"

How is orders the same as several orders? Also that statement would technically only apply to AP despite me personally being a proponent of strength and speed being proportional

Also, Isn’t the novel translation official?

Yes, but official translations aren't perfect. There are a multitude of cases where the raws are used instead of the VIZ translation

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Uh...heh heh, on the subject of FTL+ Naruto...
ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。
She could tell that the technique, enhanced by the drug, had become much faster and more destructive compared to when she first saw it.

And uh, even the initial orders of magnitude statement seems to actually just mean one
「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」
―I can't say it's a very refined form, but you can tell it has become of a different order of magnitude in strength, right? (I needed to mention the order of magnitude definition to even get this translation, automatically Chat GPT just says ridiculously stronger)

There will be future upgrades!
Sorry for raining on ur parade even more

Japanese is a context based my guy, the raws can say 1 but mean many, several orders is still a valid interpretation as judged by licensed translators

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

How is orders the same as several orders? Also that statement would technically only apply to AP despite me personally being a proponent of strength and speed being proportional

Yes, but official translations aren't perfect. There are a multitude of cases where the raws are used instead of the VIZ translation

These are professionals that have been working on translations for years you cannot discredit human translation over machine translation

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Uh...heh heh, on the subject of FTL+ Naruto...
ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。
She could tell that the technique, enhanced by the drug, had become much faster and more destructive compared to when she first saw it.

And uh, even the initial orders of magnitude statement seems to actually just mean one
「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」
―I can't say it's a very refined form, but you can tell it has become of a different order of magnitude in strength, right? (I needed to mention the order of magnitude definition to even get this translation, automatically Chat GPT just says ridiculously stronger)

There will be future upgrades!
Sorry for raining on ur parade even more

also can you pls gimme the source where u got the raws

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

lol, I’m sorry to burst your bubble but I scale ETSO to 2c easily. I have better feats and statements to scale the verse to universal than 4A. I mean Naruto casually causing tears in space, parallel dimensions, momoshiki creates his dimension, kaguya was about to destroy and recreate hers. Momoshiki possibly causing a supernova. ( My personal scaling meta’s)

I know it is 2C but it is hard to prove

it's easily ranging bare minnimum from 3A to H4A hence me bringing that up

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

All to get one shotted by the power of a planet

Upscales the planet size then

 

[DavidTPPM]

Upscales the planet size then

2-C earth

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

2-C earth

4A Konoha

 

[Samlex1234]

4A Konoha

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Can someone explain how the characters got to FTL+? If the characters are FTL+ then just wait for the Prime Hiruzen FTL+ CRT