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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Kayzz said:
Was that kanji specifically used in the manga?

The problem is Kaguya's dimension was stated to be just six in number. How would you reconcile six dimensions with universe size?
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Yes, specific Kanji was used. I've seen good arguments for universal size dimensions. Sasuke teleportation, Naruto SO6P range, her dimensions including stars, moons, etc. I'll try and find good evidence for this to back up what I'm saying.
 
Ar1216789 said:
She's the Mother of All Chakra. Hagoromo and Hamura's influence spread out this Chakra, it's her Chakra. That has been passed onto her kids then everyone else. She's merely taking back what's hers. And I've already explained before if she contains it, she scales to it. Further backing up my claims.
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Kaguya=Isshiki's mom confirmed
 
Ar1216789 said:
She's the Mother of All Chakra. Hagoromo and Hamura's influence spread out this Chakra, it's her Chakra. That has been passed onto her kids then everyone else. She's merely taking back what's hers. And I've already explained before if she contains it, she scales to it. Further backing up my claims.
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No. first of all everyone had chakra, they just did not know how to combine physical and mental energy to use it. The whole point of the otsusuki bringing the god tree to earth was to suck the earth and its inhabitants chakra. If they had none, what was it sucking (slight pause)
Let's even assume you are right. Chakra is not some closed energy system following the law of conservation of energy. That's like saying boruto and hinamawri chakra belong to naruto coz they were born from him and like somehow naruto is weaker after having them and if he sucks their chakra dry he will be back to full strength. You have this idea that there is one fixed amount of chakra on earth then kaguya gave her sons and hag passed it down slowly. This would mean the more hag gave the weaker he got. No actually if he gave what was lost will just naturally come back to him after a good rest. Yeah sure he expended some chakra hitting for the process of asura and indra coming to life but before they were born he would be back to full strength. say hag had 1000 chakra and 5 chakra was giving to each child, he has 990 left. He rest and recovers back to 1000. the total chakra in the system has increased and is now 1010. Those 2 babies in turn grow up and through physical training the cells in their body gain energy and their mental energy increases due to spiritual training. they both grow their chakra to like 700 each. The total chakra in the system is now 1k+700+700=2400. tIf hag takes that chakra he is not taking back his chakra, the chakra he will get will be at a whole new level than his prime. Let's continue that system for a thousand years. If kaguya chakra was like 10k by a thousand years, the total energy people had could be millions or billions or more even. If she takes everyone's chakra it would so much surpass what she had in her prime it would be ridiculous. Kaguya is just an entitled otsusuki well just like any other otsusuki, she thinks coz she started the process then no one else deserves it and all of it must belong to her and no one else
 
should momoshiki not have a possible key for IT? that's what otsusuki pairs use for their invasion and they just finished harvesting a world prior. Plus, he is the superior so he should at least have it
 
karo_senpaii said:
No. first of all everyone had chakra, they just did not know how to combine physical and mental energy to use it. The whole point of the otsusuki bringing the god tree to earth was to suck the earth and its inhabitants chakra. If they had none, what was it sucking (slight pause)
Let's even assume you are right. Chakra is not some closed energy system following the law of conservation of energy. That's like saying boruto and hinamawri chakra belong to naruto coz they were born from him and like somehow naruto is weaker after having them and if he sucks their chakra dry he will be back to full strength. You have this idea that there is one fixed amount of chakra on earth then kaguya gave her sons and hag passed it down slowly. This would mean the more hag gave the weaker he got. No actually if he gave what was lost will just naturally come back to him after a good rest. Yeah sure he expended some chakra hitting for the process of asura and indra coming to life but before they were born he would be back to full strength. say hag had 1000 chakra and 5 chakra was giving to each child, he has 990 left. He rest and recovers back to 1000. the total chakra in the system has increased and is now 1010. Those 2 babies in turn grow up and through physical training the cells in their body gain energy and their mental energy increases due to spiritual training. they both grow their chakra to like 700 each. The total chakra in the system is now 1k+700+700=2400. tIf hag takes that chakra he is not taking back his chakra, the chakra he will get will be at a whole new level than his prime. Let's continue that system for a thousand years. If kaguya chakra was like 10k by a thousand years, the total energy people had could be millions or billions or more even. If she takes everyone's chakra it would so much surpass what she had in her prime it would be ridiculous. Kaguya is just an entitled otsusuki well just like any other otsusuki, she thinks coz she started the process then no one else deserves it and all of it must belong to her and no one else
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Contains it = Scales to it. It's not my only point, i'm not top-tier on Naruto, but I've seen some good arguments, the all chakra is hers being one of them, I'll research about the topic.
 
SlendVeny said:
Why?
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If they contain such energy to perform said feat, they scale to as such. Madara absorbed too much chakra, chakra he wouldn't scale to, and exploded. This tells us that if you can contain the chakra you absorb, you can scale to it. If you absorb too much chakra, chakra you don't scale to, you probably explode, like what happened to Madara.
 
Ar1216789 said:
She's the Mother of All Chakra. Hagoromo and Hamura's influence spread out this Chakra, it's her Chakra. That has been passed onto her kids then everyone else. She's merely taking back what's hers. And I've already explained before if she contains it, she scales to it. Further backing up my claims.
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You have very outdated information. And it doesn't even make sense logically. Karo explained it pretty well what I was trying to tell you earlier about the reproduction problem. Besides, there are beings that predate Kaguya that already had chakra.

Not to mention the contains it = scales to it makes no sense whatsoever. If someone uses 95 percent of their chakra in a single attack, their normal ones don't scale to that attack at all. Kaguya used the shinobi alliance chakra, something that isn't her own chakra using basic logical reasoning, in her ETSB. So it doesn't scale to her other attacks. You can make arguments to scale other characters over her ETSB, but not Kaguya.
 
random fact

heres a pikachu called literally boruto in sun and moon
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Ar1216789 said:
I've explained it. Contained it = Scales to it. Not like how Madara absorbed too much chakra and couldn't contain it, chakra that he couldn't scale to.
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This would just defeat the purpose of amps. your normal chakra does not denote your maximum capacity. If you somehow get kaguya dimension to be universal then she would be uni after absorbing the shinobi chakra. Her normal self will never scale and no one in shippuden will to. IF you can prove efficiently as adults they surpassed that version of her then sure you are on track but saying contains it=scales is wrong. That would be like scaling all shinobi to their kyuubi cloak enhanced selfs coz they did not explode on getting naruto chakra or scaling naruto and sasuke normally to their asura and indra arrow selfs. Naa the scaling just remains for that specific version which is them being enhanced by something else
 
Itachi is Universal+ with Tsukuyomi => Infinite Tsukuyomi users scale above Itashi's Tsukuyomi => Obito's Imperfect IT(Road To Ninja Movie), Kaguya and Momoshiki's Dimensions are supportive evidences 😎
In conclusion, anyone with a stronger Dôjutsu than Itachi and who is able to create his own Dimension should be Low 2-C 🤓
 
All of these weird arguments come from the fact that fans who stopped watching after the end of Shippuden can't cope with the fact that Kaguya is not an actual god and is pretty much a nobody in her own clan. She is not the source of all chakra. What would be the point of God tree if that were the case. The purpose of God tree is precisely to extract chakra from living beings. And they have been doing this since way before Kaguya ate Earth's what? That's right Earth's chakra fruit. Something that wouldn't track logically if Kaguya were the source of all chakra.

In fact you don't even need Boruto to know that. The fact that a chakra fruit existed before Kaguya actually ate hers and the fact that people reproduce (i.e if Minato and Kushina give birth to Naruto, no way is all of their chakra combined equal to the amount that Minato and Kushina had before Naruto's conception) proves that Kaguya is no god and she didn't give Humanity jack from her own reserves.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
All of these weird arguments come from the fact that fans who stopped watching after the end of Shippuden can't cope with the fact that Kaguya is not an actual god and is pretty much a nobody in her own clan. She is not the source of all chakra. What would be the point of God tree if that were the case. The purpose of God tree is precisely to extract chakra from living beings. And they have been doing this since way before Kaguya ate Earth's what? That's right Earth's chakra fruit. Something that wouldn't track logically if Kaguya were the source of all chakra.

In fact you don't even need Boruto to know that. The fact that a chakra fruit existed before Kaguya actually ate hers and the fact that people reproduce (i.e if Minato and Kushina give birth to Naruto, no way is all of their chakra combined equal to the amount that Minato and Kushina had before Naruto's conception) proves that Kaguya is no god and she didn't give Humanity jack from her own reserves.
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if you guys wanna discuss this we can on something else, I can't comment to 3 people at the same time 😭
 
Kashin Koji joins the group of fortune tellers alongside Momoshiki and the great Toad sage.

Konohamaru puts handcuffs on Boruto. I'm assuming they are chakra cancelling otherwise Boruto could just escape.
 
if it is true that all kara members were amped by shibai cells well that just explains 50% of the whole power creep in boruto and how they can contend with naruto and sasuke.
 
I know I shouldn't rain on everybody's parade, but I really want to. What if Naruto lowered his durability against Delta.

Just to play devil's advocate that is.
 
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