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He'd honestly be good to run the 1v1 with Kin for a few minutes, but then he'd be looking like he did after Guy kicked him.Yeah aint no way Juubidara is ducking that lol
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He'd honestly be good to run the 1v1 with Kin for a few minutes, but then he'd be looking like he did after Guy kicked him.Yeah aint no way Juubidara is ducking that lol
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Makes sense tbh. Although I'm still a bit sceptical since she never showed any good regeneration on screen. And immortality can be achieved through different methods. Could to link me the scan for her having the greatest immortality? Maybe the context will make things more clear.KCM Naruto could already slow down Low Godly Regen ( Edo Tensei ) with Kurama's power
Now imagine that shit being enhanced by his six paths power, it would get an insane buff
Kaguya is supposed to have the greatest immortality in the verse ( so above Edo Tensei ) but that just means Naruto temporarily slowed down her regen with his power
It's that simple
10. Kushina (stated above KCM Naruto, blitzed 50% Kurama who's faster than WA SM Naruto and probably KCM1 Naruto, restrained 100% Kurama)who would you guys say are the top 10 strongest female characters in the verse rn, including Moegi.(not just stat wise, overall)
That's...not how sensing chakra works. We know that Bijuu chakra only flares up when a jinchuriki releases their power, that's why Naruto is only sensed as having above Kakashi/Zabuza level chakra when he goes KM0 and not passively, or like when Neji only saw a huge amount of chakra in Naruto when he unleashed some Kurama chakra, why Sasuke only saw a bunch of chakra at VOTE1 when he released Kurama chakra, etc. Kakashi was just sensing PT Gaara's power level, not full Shukaku's.Oh, right, Kakashi can sense Chakra. Meaning he could tell this guy had way more Chakra in there. Almost like a Bijuu or something was there.
It's arbitrary unless it's a certain level. Anyone could be fatigued to any level. If Rinnegan Sasuke was at pretty much zero chakra, he could be like genin level, so in that situation saying "I may have been fatigued but I'm still Sasuke" is a statement with no real meaning. The statement's clearly comparing the Sound 4 to jonin level.No it doesn't. A fatigued Jonin is still strong. That's all he meant.
Beyond the work of shinobi but fodder to you? Idk about thatNah, it would still make sense.
They are generally considered the most elite ninja, so surely above chunin level on averageNot all Anbu are Jonin level.
This is positively based
I'm not saying you're wrong or anything but you have a, ehm, unique way of scaling inverse Naruto10. Kushina (stated above KCM Naruto, blitzed 50% Kurama who's faster than WA SM Naruto and probably KCM1 Naruto, restrained 100% Kurama)
9. Hamura chakra Hinata (refilled TL Naruto's chakra supply, idk should be vaguely Six Paths level otherwise cause of Hamura's chakra too)
8. Sakura (more chakra than a SPSM clone, reacted to and harmed IT Kaguya, refilled TL Naruto's chakra, can fight Shin who slightly scales to Naruto and Sasuke)
7. Kurotuschi (somewhat near Kinshiki, should be above Sakura as the Kage are stated to be the best ninja to fight the Otsutsuki and are called the strongest of this age)
6. Kaguya (just Kaguya. Should be around Kinshiki's level who's above the BE Kage individually)
4/5. Sarada/Delta (Sarada has better feats, but Delta has more consistent and definitive scaling)
3. Himawari (tentative position, could be a little higher or lower, as her pushing Jura to test out his true power is pretty vague)
2. Eida (stated to be superior to Jigen, although her position is a bit debatable as she supposedly doesn't specialize in combat)
1. Matsuri (pretty obvious, far above Code and pressured Boruto who's a contender for strongest in the verse atm)
Ion see what's so unique other than Kushina but mkI'm not saying you're wrong or anything but you have a, ehm, unique way of scaling inverse Naruto
I mean, isn't Bijuu chakra supposed to feel different from human chakra? And Kakashi would thus, like I said, be able to tell Gaara had more than just his own chakra going on up there?That's...not how sensing chakra works. We know that Bijuu chakra only flares up when a jinchuriki releases their power, that's why Naruto is only sensed as having above Kakashi/Zabuza level chakra when he goes KM0 and not passively, or like when Neji only saw a huge amount of chakra in Naruto when he unleashed some Kurama chakra, why Sasuke only saw a bunch of chakra at VOTE1 when he released Kurama chakra, etc. Kakashi was just sensing PT Gaara's power level, not full Shukaku's.
Not really. A fatigued Jonin is still strong, but that doesn't mean a Jonin with no chakra, who is injured and fatigued is still Jonin level.It's arbitrary unless it's a certain level. Anyone could be fatigued to any level. If Rinnegan Sasuke was at pretty much zero chakra, he could be like genin level, so in that situation saying "I may have been fatigued but I'm still Sasuke" is a statement with no real meaning. The statement's clearly comparing the Sound 4 to jonin level.
Yes? They nearly killed them in a 4.5v2Beyond the work of shinobi but fodder to you? Idk about that
One would think that.They are generally considered the most elite ninja, so surely above chunin level on average
Orochimaru really taking over a woman's body to become less pretty.
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if we could get art, angles and panelling like this >>>>
You could say so, it did seem presented that Boruto saved Sarada from Code though, which would be weird if she's stronger than him in just 3T. Might just be that Hidari has poor control of his powers and not that Sarada's truly on his level@MinatoSparkle based on the current info, wouldn't Sarada be above Ada? There is nothing that scales Ada above current WK Code iirc. I agree about Himawari being vague which is why I left her out of my rankings. Idk about Hinata tho. Pretty shaky.
He could tell it was weird chakra, but there's no indication of him suspecting a Bijuu. Afaik, P1 Kakashi's knowledge on Bijuu stuff is just unknown other than him obviously knowing Kurama's in Naruto. Even the Kakashi POV section of the fanbook summarizing the events of the story indicated that he didn't know about Shukaku, and basically says the A rankness of the mission was just due to the possibility of battling Gaara, nothing beyond.I mean, isn't Bijuu chakra supposed to feel different from human chakra? And Kakashi would thus, like I said, be able to tell Gaara had more than just his own chakra going on up there?
Considering that statement was directly connected to him saying a squad of jonin is needed for backup, the correlation does pretty strongly suggest they're jonin level. Also they weren't injured prior to the fight.Not really. A fatigued Jonin is still strong, but that doesn't mean a Jonin with no chakra, who is injured and fatigued is still Jonin level.
Nearly killed is being very generous, the S4 were just scuffed, not even bloodied, and even in CM1, Sakon could match Genma. In fact, considering the fight started with the S4 in CM1, that might be a big part of why they're roughed up, and they only went CM2 when they were pressed.Yes? They nearly killed them in a 4.5v2
And it is true, even if they're just used as a measuring stick most of the time.One would think that.
Poor control or not, Hidari is considered above Code in his current condition. I would mention that She's above Hidari because of Chidori. We don't know about her usual stats. But I think Ada has nothing except maybe flight to counter that. So that's why I put Sarada above Ada.You could say so, it did seem presented that Boruto saved Sarada from Code though, which would be weird if she's stronger than him in just 3T. Might just be that Hidari has poor control of his powers and not that Sarada's truly on his level
It could mean he fluctuates though, but that's fair. Eida's hax might be a better tool than her stats though.Poor control or not, Hidari is considered above Code in his current condition. I would mention that She's above Hidari because of Chidori. We don't know about her usual stats. But I think Ada has nothing except maybe flight to counter that. So that's why I put Sarada above Ada.
I mean tbh Ada is a wild card. She legitimately can whip out a new hax and we can't even question it. So I guess I could put her above Sarada based on that and the general optics. I just don't usually use that kind of logic.It could mean he fluctuates though, but that's fair. Eida's hax might be a better tool than her stats though.
she's a Bijuu so yeah, her regen would be above a Jinchuuriki'sAfter making my top 10 list, I watched the Kaguya episodes again. Does she even have that good of a regen? Her regen is a lot slower than Madara or Obito if she even has any.
the only damage she takes afterward is Kamui Raikiri and she's sealed seconds later.She did regrow her arm after her transformation but then we don't really see her regenerate after that.
Naruto doesn't really aim to cut off peoples heads in general, not to mention he mainly aimed for her arm because it was Zetsu on Kaguya's arm trash-talking Obito.I don't get why Naruto didn't aim for the head when he chopped her arm off.
Because none of them have the AP to damage her much and even if they could she would regen.It's pretty confusing. Why did Hags say that the only way to defeat her is to seal her if Naruto could just chop her head off?
Naruto not chopping off her head doesn't imply anything.Naruto not just chopping her head implies she might be able to regrow her head but this argument can be used in Boruto too since Jigen doesn't aim for the head.
This would make sense yeah. But can you send me a scan of her being a bijuu herself? I always thought of her as being similar to Madara and Obito in that aspect.she's a Bijuu so yeah, her regen would be above a Jinchuuriki's
Yeah. Which is why I said we don't really see her regenerate after her transformation. I never disagreed on this point.the only damage she takes afterward is Kamui Raikiri and she's sealed seconds later.
Second reason makes sense.Naruto doesn't really aim to cut off peoples heads in general, not to mention he mainly aimed for her arm because it was Zetsu on Kaguya's arm trash-talking Obito.
Is it really mental amped Naruto? Didn't he focus chakra in his hand or sumn. If that was so out of his abilities wouldn't he show some sort of surprise? He seemed pretty nonchalant about the fact that he cut off a character's arm that he couldn't even scratch before. That makes me think he expected to cut off her arm with a specific jutsu. Your second reason makes more sense to me.Because none of them have the AP to damage her much and even if they could she would regen.
the only times anyone damages Kaguya is a mental amped Naruto and a Kamui Raikiri from DMS Kakashi, and in Naruto's case, she was extremely low on chakra.
Her drip?I wonder what was special about her that enticed Orochimaru to steal her body
"Freaky ass ***** he a 69 god, Freaky ass ***** he a 69 god"I wonder what was special about her that enticed Orochimaru to steal her body
Mb thenI already agreed above that Kaguya prolly has better regen than edo tensei, but aight.
Nah she’s called the literal Ten-Tails a few times so she’s a bit different from just being a jinchuuriki,This would make sense yeah. But can you send me a scan of her being a bijuu herself? I always thought of her as being similar to Madara and Obito in that aspect.
MhmYeah. Which is why I said we don't really see her regenerate after her transformation. I never disagreed on this point.
I mean he and others have used mental amps before, it’s a mechanic of the power system, Haku first explains it to him when he “fights for someone or something he cares about he’ll have power beyond his normal capabilities, he even thinks about this during his fight with Gaara before releasing a huge amount of chakra that he’s not normally able to use.Is it really mental amped Naruto? Didn't he focus chakra in his hand or sumn. If that was so out of his abilities wouldn't he show some sort of surprise? He seemed pretty nonchalant about the fact that he cut off a character's arm that he couldn't even scratch before. That makes me think he expected to cut off her arm with a specific jutsu. Your second reason makes more sense to me.
He also knows about Isobu.He could tell it was weird chakra, but there's no indication of him suspecting a Bijuu. Afaik, P1 Kakashi's knowledge on Bijuu stuff is just unknown other than him obviously knowing Kurama's in Naruto.
Yeah, and in there, he specifically states Gaara most likely has hidden powers.Even the Kakashi POV section of the fanbook summarizing the events of the story indicated that he didn't know about Shukaku, and basically says the A rankness of the mission was just due to the possibility of battling Gaara, nothing beyond.
"Beyond the work of Shinobi" doesn't even mean anything, anyway, it's clearly just stating their power is weird and wacky, unless we're meant to believe they're above Hiruzen.Considering that statement was directly connected to him saying a squad of jonin is needed for backup, the correlation does pretty strongly suggest they're jonin level. Also they weren't injured prior to the fight.
Yes, but Kidomaru notes that if they hadn't gone all-out, they would have died.Nearly killed is being very generous, the S4 were just scuffed, not even bloodied,
That is a Kunai being thrown by an arm clashing with a single Senbon being spit from Genma's mouth to counter it.and even in CM1, Sakon could match Genma.
Bro, Kakashi would have slaughtered them. They're overconfident.In fact, considering the fight started with the S4 in CM1, that might be a big part of why they're roughed up, and they only went CM2 when they were pressed.
Also, they were even considering risking a fight with Kakashi, a FP elite jonin.
Why would she regrow her head out of her torso? Is her brain in her stomach or something?Naruto not just chopping her head implies she might be able to regrow her head but this argument can be used in Boruto too since Jigen doesn't aim for the head.
Yup.Weren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao
After making my top 10 list, I watched the Kaguya episodes again. Does she even have that good of a regen? Her regen is a lot slower than Madara or Obito if she even has any. She did regrow her arm after her transformation but then we don't really see her regenerate after that. I don't get why Naruto didn't aim for the head when he chopped her arm off. It's pretty confusing. Why did Hags say that the only way to defeat her is to seal her if Naruto could just chop her head off?
The way I see it:
Based on all of this, Kaguya might go down the list. It would be great if anyone could clarify this for me.
- Pre transformation Kaguya has no regeneration.
- Post transformation Kaguya can regrow limbs but we don't know how fast.
- Naruto not just chopping her head implies she might be able to regrow her head but this argument can be used in Boruto too since Jigen doesn't aim for the head.
No, you don't get it, they didn't say "since we got tired, we are now Chunin," so they must have still been at full power!Weren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao
From where?He also knows about Isobu.
From his battle in the forest where he was already partially transformed sure. And no it's not about his official match, that was covered in the previous page, meaning he only got this knowledge after assigning the A rank mission. Heck it even says Kakashi thought Sasuke would stalemate Gaara who he thought was A rank worthy, so if you're generous you could even argue CE CM1 Sasuke being borderline jonin level (at least with Chidori), letalone the CM2 S4.Yeah, and in there, he specifically states Gaara most likely has hidden powers.
He follows this up by saying you'll die if you fight them so clearly he meant power too and not just weirdness. He can just be basing on his experience, which doesn't include fights with Kage level people."Beyond the work of Shinobi" doesn't even mean anything, anyway, it's clearly just stating their power is weird and wacky, unless we're meant to believe they're above Hiruzen.
Fatigued Genma and Raido>CM1 S4 doesn't mean Fatigued Genma and Raido~CM2 S4, CM1 to CM2 is a HUGE differenceYes, but Kidomaru notes that if they hadn't gone all-out, they would have died.
Considering it's infusing a weapon that's fodder on its own with chakra either way I don't think the method is that crucial.That is a Kunai being thrown by an arm clashing with a single Senbon being spit from Genma's mouth to counter it.
I agree, I'm saying that even thought they don't know his full capabilities, they know he's an elite jonin. So they think that as a group they might be able to take on a high level jonin, and 4 chunin level characters absolutely wouldn't be able to do that. There are just so many avenues of getting the S4 to jonin level it's ridiculous to say them being low-mid jonin level isn't at least plausible.Bro, Kakashi would have slaughtered them. They're overconfident.
1. Genma is a stronger jonin even if he's officially a special joninWeren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao
2. They did not stalemate whatsoever. That's like calling Jiraiya vs Pain a stalemate cause he beat 3 Paths and pressed Pain to use all 6Genma is able to fight Baki and Kabuto alongside Kakashi and Guy, Kabuto/Kakashi/Guy being Peak Jonin-Low Kage level, and Baki being the commander of the Sand combat unit, one of the strongest sand jonin, and superior to Hayate who's one of Konoha's best ninja, so idk still seems like Genma's mid-high jonin level. Might just be that him being a special jonin is cause his combat ability is jonin level but he lacks in some other aspect of being a jonin that we don't know of.
No, you don't get it, they didn't say "since we got tired, we are now Chunin," so they must have still been at full power!
Where would Kakashi know about the Three-Tails from? Well, I'm pretty sure they explained his backstory to him.From where?
He says the mission itself was A-Rank. He says Gaara probably has powers still unknown to them. Kankuro hadn't revealed his abilities yet, so he was a wild card. Temari... was also there. There were enemies everywhere, including the stadium they started in.From his battle in the forest where he was already partially transformed sure. And no it's not about his official match, that was covered in the previous page, meaning he only got this knowledge after assigning the A rank mission. Heck it even says Kakashi thought Sasuke would stalemate Gaara who he thought was A rank worthy, so if you're generous you could even argue CE CM1 Sasuke being borderline jonin level (at least with Chidori), letalone the CM2 S4.
Who was he saying this to?He follows this up by saying you'll die if you fight them so clearly he meant power too and not just weirdness. He can just be basing on his experience, which doesn't include fights with Kage level people.
It's a 10x chakra multiplier, but the difference from 0% to 100% chakra is a much higher difference.Fatigued Genma and Raido>CM1 S4 doesn't mean Fatigued Genma and Raido~CM2 S4, CM1 to CM2 is a HUGE difference
When did he infuse it with chakra?Considering it's infusing a weapon that's fodder on its own with chakra either way I don't think the method is that crucial.
I don't think they know how strong a high level Jonin is. Besides, weren't they talking about a surprise attack?I agree, I'm saying that even thought they don't know his full capabilities, they know he's an elite jonin. So they think that as a group they might be able to take on a high level jonin, and 4 chunin level characters absolutely wouldn't be able to do that. There are just so many avenues of getting the S4 to jonin level it's ridiculous to say them being low-mid jonin level isn't at least plausible.