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why this lowkey sound like a proper leak.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
KaydeeX
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I only got four predictions right in the last chapter
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I’m not saying he wasn’t but there were some things even I thought didn’t make much sense
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Even taking Boruto into account, are there 10 people in the verse who could reliably deal with Itachi’s Tsukuyomi?
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are there any naruto anime databooks?
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https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Reference_Material
The section Anime Profiles seem to be legit books
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Do you know where i can find pdf's for them?
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Dunno, I usually just search in Imgur or just Google "Insert Title" PDF for free
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K, Thank you for your help
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Tier 2 Anime Profiles when?
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gotta get the obito thing sorted like where does his uni+ creation feat scale him to in terms of ap and Dur. My last question about this got completly ghosted 
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Sasuke, Madara, Obito, Hagaromo, Hamura(possibly), Kaguya, Delta, Shisui(prob), and Indura (probably), Daemon (with a shoulder to ride on), the one guy with the glass eyes Sasuke fights in that one novel, Shibai (lets be fr)
It would be like 4 or 5 more if you think the Otsutsuki having a natural resistance to GJ is the reason Sasuke doesn't use it against them
there are also a few that are a bit of a stretch but possible via Six Paths Chakra or Cyborg enhancements.
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Minato, dying: "Hiruzen, take care of my child, who is not only the child of a Hokage that is also your friend, but also one of the only members of his clan left, and the Jinchuuriki of the strongest of the 9 Bijuu. I already have a house big enough for a full family, and can very clearly afford that, custom kunai, and more, because I am literally the Hokage, so the money's covered."
Hiruzen: "Best I can do is cup ramen and an apartment. Maybe I'll even talk to him someday."
People: "WOOOOOOH, LET'S GOOOOO!"
Kushina, dying: "Yeah, maybe just stay away from Jiraiya."
Jiraiya: "Lmao I'm gonna go spy on the Akatsuki."
People: "Umm, I don't know about that, bucko."
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I don't see why he couldn't have at least let Naruto live in his parent's home.
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Haven't watched the video yet but kushina didn't want Naruto near jiraiya plus if Jiraiya raised Naruto he would have ended up as Sanji, so it is a good thing he was absent. It is Kakashi's attitude that suprises me, he didn't care till hiruzen assigned him to Naruto
Edit: Just realized this video was done by Dygoknight, the most garbage Naruto content creator to ever exist.
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I think that was a part of the "let no one know who Naruto's parents are" thing.
We also know the other villages weren't above infiltration, kidnapping, or assassination attempts as we briefly saw with Kushina and Hinata's attempted kidnappings
Letting other villages have any knowledge that the son of what could have been the most talented Shinobi in history was also the jinchuuriki of the most powerful Tailed Beast probably wasn't a good idea at all.
It could also be a thing of letting Naruto start a clean slate w/o parents in an orphanage rather than sitting him in a home with a constant reminder of what he could have had leading to him being vengeful like a lot of shinobi already were.
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ngl I never understood the beef people had with Hiruzen over Naruto,
For one he is the Hokage in an era of unrest with other villages on the verge of warring with his village, tensions within the Uchiha, Hyuga, Orochimaru, Danzo, and the loss of many lives during the Nine-Tails Attack.
Naruto could barely be around for his kids in an era of peace, where he is a virtually unrivaled power and considered a hero to all nations, with the ability to make 1000 copies of himself.
And Hiruzen couldn't really ask any one specific person to raise him because they needed all hands on deck for threats coming from all sides.
- Nine-Tails couldn't leave the village without risk of being captured or leaving the village without its Tailed-Beast to cause other villages to hesitate attacking them so Jiraiya wouldn't have worked. (Not that Jiraiya went back to the village to check on him on his own despite knowing Naruto was alive.)
- Kakashi was a troubled teen with PTSD, who also worked in essentially a Shinobi Assassin group(Anbu)
- Obito killed Hiruzen's wife.
- We don't even know if Hiruzen's kids were still alive.
- Tsunade had PTSD and soon after left the village.
- Orochimaru defected.
- Most other people were terrified to be around Naruto.
Not to mention the Kyuubi was practically the only tailed beast that seemed completely unusable in a combat scenario to aid the leaf, his being pure hatred at this point made it practically impossible for any jinchuuriki to actually use his chakra without endangering more Leaf Lives, so Kyuubi Jins seemed to live secluded lives in general with practically no use other than name value to cause fear against other villages. Not to mention Naruto never inherited Kushina's ability to suppress chakra with chains so he was just a fodder jinchuuriki in comparison to her.
So raising Naruto himself was not happening, no one competent was left to actually raise him by this point, there was no use in training him to be useful in war, he couldn't reveal who Naruto was, and the leaf was on the verge of war + a takeover attempt by the Uchiha, he had 0 successors to lead the village without Minato or Orochimaru since everyone either bailed, was apart of something shady, or too important to be raising a baby.
He pm did the only thing he could do by trying to endure and be kind to the people of his village indiscriminately, even when they were harming each other, and passed on "The Will of Fire" to the next generation the way Hashirama wanted, which eventually led to the success of Naruto's generation.
Bro definitely existed in the 1st or 2nd hardest time to be a Kage ever, didn't achieve much himself, even failing in many regards, but did endure enough so that Hashirama's dream could continue and eventually succeed.
For one he is the Hokage in an era of unrest with other villages on the verge of warring with his village, tensions within the Uchiha, Hyuga, Orochimaru, Danzo, and the loss of many lives during the Nine-Tails Attack.
Naruto could barely be around for his kids in an era of peace, where he is a virtually unrivaled power and considered a hero to all nations, with the ability to make 1000 copies of himself.
And Hiruzen couldn't really ask any one specific person to raise him because they needed all hands on deck for threats coming from all sides.
- Nine-Tails couldn't leave the village without risk of being captured or leaving the village without its Tailed-Beast to cause other villages to hesitate attacking them so Jiraiya wouldn't have worked. (Not that Jiraiya went back to the village to check on him on his own despite knowing Naruto was alive.)
- Kakashi was a troubled teen with PTSD, who also worked in essentially a Shinobi Assassin group(Anbu)
- Obito killed Hiruzen's wife.
- We don't even know if Hiruzen's kids were still alive.
- Tsunade had PTSD and soon after left the village.
- Orochimaru defected.
- Most other people were terrified to be around Naruto.
Not to mention the Kyuubi was practically the only tailed beast that seemed completely unusable in a combat scenario to aid the leaf, his being pure hatred at this point made it practically impossible for any jinchuuriki to actually use his chakra without endangering more Leaf Lives, so Kyuubi Jins seemed to live secluded lives in general with practically no use other than name value to cause fear against other villages. Not to mention Naruto never inherited Kushina's ability to suppress chakra with chains so he was just a fodder jinchuuriki in comparison to her.
So raising Naruto himself was not happening, no one competent was left to actually raise him by this point, there was no use in training him to be useful in war, he couldn't reveal who Naruto was, and the leaf was on the verge of war + a takeover attempt by the Uchiha, he had 0 successors to lead the village without Minato or Orochimaru since everyone either bailed, was apart of something shady, or too important to be raising a baby.
He pm did the only thing he could do by trying to endure and be kind to the people of his village indiscriminately, even when they were harming each other, and passed on "The Will of Fire" to the next generation the way Hashirama wanted, which eventually led to the success of Naruto's generation.
Bro definitely existed in the 1st or 2nd hardest time to be a Kage ever, didn't achieve much himself, even failing in many regards, but did endure enough so that Hashirama's dream could continue and eventually succeed.
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I assumed Kurama nuked it during his rampage.
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Hiruzen isnt even objectively the worse kage in terms of tenure anyway.
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All the more reason to teat the Nine-Tails' Jinchuuriki well. In potential wartime, you don't just leave your nukes in the street.
I mean, yeah, but that's more of a product of bureaucracy. Plus, an guardian who's out working and actually cares about you is better than a corpse.
He didn't need someone to raise him, he just needed to have people checking in on him so he knew he wasn't alone.
Jiraiya would be a terrible choice, because nobody wants him to raise a child. Naruto would be an even weirder pervert.
They should have at least been introduced, I think they would have benefitted from talking.
NGL, I forgot Hiruzen had a wife. I guess the asexual reproduction jutsu wasn't invented yet. She was a whole-ass Jonin though, Obito was just slaughtering people like that, my boy was crazy.
Asuma is Hiruzen's son. Frankly, I believe in him, he would be a good older brother.
True.
Idk, Orochimaru seems like a good father if you look past the entirety of Parts 1 and 2 up to the War Arc.
Just put him with people that aren't cowards.
All the more reason to keep him from losing control. Plus, there is no way Hiruzen knew about Naruto lacking the chains.
He didn't have to raise him, he just had to do more than give him money that was probably already in his inheritance.
I'm sure he could put together a team.
Even if Kurama wasn't considered useful, Naruto would still have to be trained to protect himself.
Literally everyone knew that he was not only a Jinchuuriki, but also one of the few remaining Uzumaki(and had blonde hair that looked almost exactly like that of Minato), he was already going to be targeted.
Shisui would have handled it if Danzo hadn't screwed everything up, and frankly, the Uchiha Massacre was a highly avoidable tragedy, AND, if Hiruzen had just gone "Hey, Fugaku, can we talk one-on-one? Ok, now that you're here, you know I can kill you, I know about the coup, let's talk things out."
My boy Teuchi would have.
Uh...
1. Hashirama
2. Tsunade during the Akatsuki shit and the War Arc
3. Himself in his first term
Honorable Mention: Kakashi when the moon was about to crash into the planet and kill everyone.
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I agree with Veny. Also the fact that Danzo was enabled by Hiruzen and the oldies squad. But I would like to point out that Asuma wouldn't qualify for parenting duties in case of Naruto. He was 14 when Naruto was born.
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Yeah, but he would be a good brother. He'd teach him plenty of cool stuff.
Btw, for the Hiruzen defenders, if Hiruzen supposedly doesn't show any favorable treatment to anyone, where was Konohamaru living?
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not the this is japan boruto ending accidentally predicting the main TBV cast
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if the Kyuubi was a usable nuke sure but Kyuubi Jinchuuki's seem to be left to leave secluded lives and only kept around to make the other villages fear him.
Hizuren did care for Naruto like he did every person in the leaf, but that mf had even less time than Naruto who practically had no time at all even when it came to important family events.
Shinobi culture is different then ours, people lead lonely lives without anyone supporting them, and they are expected to endure it and any tragedy that befalls them this is why so many of them were depressed, out of touch, or suicidal after the 3rd War.
he wouldn't do it anyways
I honestly doubt Kakashi would have wanted to talk to him back then.
Assuming Asuma wanted to or had the time to, even during Tsunade's era as Hokage, Jounin were leaving the village in a revolving door to complete missions rarely back at all.
like? even a lot of Chunin and Jounin were afraid or resented him.
this hypothetical involves forcing people to hang out with Naruto like they weren't on the verge of war, when there were countless orphans around besides him, with even less of a reason to give him specifically a guardian since most people hated him or were afraid of him.
putting someone who could potentially hate him as a guardian could be even more risky for Naruto's emotional health than just being alone.
honestly, the best thing for him was to surround him with people his age who weren't around during the massacre to have made opinions of him and didn't know he was the nine tails, but even that didn't work until much later on since parents told their kids to be wary of him.
why would he assume he had chains?
plus who was left to teach him how to use them? Uzumaki's were practically non-existent at this point.
also, solitude wasn't going to make him lose control, in the few years he needed to grow, become a shinobi, and gain his own group.
in fact most villages isolated their jinchuuriki to keep their emotions from stirring for that reason.
Tsunade had to send genin to do complicated missions because she was out of jounin all the time, I doubt Hiruzen just had a team.
he was when he was old enough to join the shinobi academy at like 8, not many shinobi are lucky enough to be a part of a clan of people that can personally train you.
in the leaf yes, no one outside of the leaf knew about Naruto but Obito and Orochimaru
no one who didn't personally know him knew his heritage, people just called him the nine tails brat for the most part.
except he really wasn't except for the Akatsuki, if you added Minato's enemies on top of the he woulda been kidnapped probably.
that was the plan you know, Fugaku didn't want that + Danzo had Itachi inact the plan first cause he's a piece of shit.
hell no, being unrivaled in an era where there are no villages established.
having the freedom to kinda just beat up all the Bijuu and distribute them like Pokemon cause he can.
he layed the foundation for everyone else to follow with the only real problem being Madara, who no one believed in.
his era was much less complicated than Hiruzens.
she's tied with Hiruzen but honestly, Hiruzen had it worse in some regards.
Tsunade
- Got scrutiny from the elders about how she treated Naruto and the Sasuke situation
- The Pain Invasion
- The Fourth Shinobi World War.
- The Akatsuki
- Danzo being a PoS
Hiruzen
- Second and Third Shinobi World Wars
- Hyuga Incident
- Uchiha Massacre
- Nine-Tailed Attack
- Orochimaru defect and eventual Invasion
- Danzo being a PoS
If anything the Pain event and 4GJW were higher-scaled events than anything Hiruzen dealt with but it also lasted like 3 days with Tsunade largely out of the conflict since she was mostly on standby the Ay's leadership and then gets rolled by Madara.
A lot of what Hiruzen dealt with lasted decades with far more ruthless kage to deal with when bro was supposed to be retired for half of it.
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That was more so pure plot bullshit on Kishimoto's part
Naruto could make at minimum tens if not hundreds of thousands of clones even as early back as his Rasenshuriken Training and have all of them train at once and handle the strain
Now he's stronger than ever and he's the Perfect Jinchuriki of all the Bijuu and has Six Paths Chakra but making a mere 1000+ clones to help with tasks around the village daily but he somehow can't spend time with his kids more? Even just sending some pretty durable clones to do so?
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I know right? Like Naruto, my guy, why did you lose brain cells all of a sudden?
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Did Naruto have or was developing that Chakra illness during his time as a Hoe?
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I’ll be honest, the cover people like to give to Hiruzen (While Valid) isn’t the only way he could have handled Naruto. Not even the “best” way either.
The criticisms of Hiruzen are extremely valid. Hiding Naruto’s Identity wasn’t “necessary”. His usefulness as a “Nuke” was worthless until Part 2 (Because duh, he was an infant and child). Etc…
There is no “bail” you can give Hiruzen that can’t be argued with. Konoha had the 2nd Strongest Fighting Force in the 3rd Ninja War and the overall strongest individual Ninja (Minato (Eventually Became Kage), Jiraiya, Tsunade, Hiashi, Fugaku, Shisui, etc…). No Nation or “ordinary” individual was getting into the village to attack Naruto w/o starting a War.
Naruto “could’ve” been the recipient of the love and Good Will Minato & Kushina built up in the village. The fact is, while Hiruzen’s method was “valid”, it was also immoral given his other options.
The criticisms of Hiruzen are extremely valid. Hiding Naruto’s Identity wasn’t “necessary”. His usefulness as a “Nuke” was worthless until Part 2 (Because duh, he was an infant and child). Etc…
There is no “bail” you can give Hiruzen that can’t be argued with. Konoha had the 2nd Strongest Fighting Force in the 3rd Ninja War and the overall strongest individual Ninja (Minato (Eventually Became Kage), Jiraiya, Tsunade, Hiashi, Fugaku, Shisui, etc…). No Nation or “ordinary” individual was getting into the village to attack Naruto w/o starting a War.
Naruto “could’ve” been the recipient of the love and Good Will Minato & Kushina built up in the village. The fact is, while Hiruzen’s method was “valid”, it was also immoral given his other options.
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As far as I remember the disease stuff didn't happen till a few months after the Momoshiki fight
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