Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[HelloThere1089]

1. No one said the poor control affected his durability. I said it can make his power fluctuate which you admits it does with chidori.

My guy we were talking about durability. Sparkle and I. Hidari is relative to Code (if not above) which means his durability should be relative. So Sarada's Chidori is above Hidari's physicals because she managed to hurt him. That's the discussion. It's about establishing what Sarada's chidori scales to.

2. Ada is far above code. She isn't just skilled in taijustu but her power is there. She is stated to surpass jigen and considering the mf is immune to all her hax there is nothing there to surpass aside combat abilities.

What? What are you even talking about? How is Ada being above Jigen prove that her physicals are on WK Code's level? She has no such scaling. She only scales above Jigen who scales above Naruto. She has no scaling to put her above Uzuhiko level physicals.

3. That's the issue. You didn't get my point. My point is sarada with chidori is not greater than hidari. She is just relative to him. Damaging someone doesn't make you above the person if the person can do vice versa.

Brother my conversation with Sparkle was not about Hidari vs Sarada. It was Sarada vs Ada. When I said her chidori is above Hidari, I was clearly trying to establish the fact that her chidori scales to the Uzuhiko calc.

I'm just trying to play out that sarada would do sale with her chidori against Code but overall still loose and be below him.

My guy I wasn't arguing who would win between Sarada, Hidari, and Code. I was just establishing that Sarada's Chidori is above both of their physicals. The main discussion was about Sarada vs Ada. Nobody is delusional enough to think Sarada can for sure defeat Code and Hidari because she legit had to be saved against both of them. It's about their physicals because of the Uzuhiko calc.

 

[HelloThere1089]

It's canon. She was hungy.

But jokes aside, would the body not regrow out of her head?

I don't really know. Would she even survive? Didn't Victor grow his head back? Does it depend on the mass or on the brain? Who knows.

 

[ssgengar]

I don't really know. Would she even survive? Didn't Victor grow his head back? Does it depend on the mass or on the brain? Who knows.

Victor did that shit easily too iirc

 

[HelloThere1089]

Victor did that shit easily too iirc

Yeah. Would you scale Kaguya's regen above Victor? If so, then she should be able to do that too I guess.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

theres a really good joke i could make rn but i dont wanna get banned

 

[HelloThere1089]

DM me then...

 

[BlastX]

DM me too...

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

lmfao

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Where would Kakashi know about the Three-Tails from? Well, I'm pretty sure they explained his backstory to him.

Uh...I don't recall this ever being mentioned

He says the mission itself was A-Rank. He says Gaara probably has powers still unknown to them. Kankuro hadn't revealed his abilities yet, so he was a wild card. Temari... was also there. There were enemies everywhere, including the stadium they started in.

Again, Gaara having unknown powers is after he knows what happened between Sasuke and Gaara in the forest. Temari is barely chunin level, she adds nothing to a mission being A rank, and Kankuro had shown some of his abilities against that sound fodder, which also is nothing impressive. The enemies were out in the open, not in forests where nothing was really happening. And again, the mission details at the bottom right just mention pursuing and fighting Gaara.

Besides, A-Rank doesn't mean it would be difficult for a Jonin, fighting the Demon Brothers alone was enough to make the LoW mission a B-Rank iirc, and those guys aren't even low Chunin.

I mean they literally are chunin, and have done plenty of B-rank missions which are the higher end of chunin level missions. So if anything they should be mid-high chunin level, Sasuke's feats against them might just be due to them not taking it seriously. And sure A rank doesn't mean it'll be difficult for a jonin, but it should mean it's above a chunin's paygrade, and the CM2 Sound Four are far above PT Gaara, so even if PT Gaara was just like right on the border between high chunin and low jonin level, they'd still be comfortably in low-mid jonin tier.

Who was he saying this to?

Another jonin? If you're gonna mention this jonin being fatigued too, that's not my point, just that he thinks their power level is unnatural.

It's a 10x chakra multiplier, but the difference from 0% to 100% chakra is a much higher difference.

It's actually tens of times (あの右目ヤローが出てきてただでさえ絶望的なのにチャクラが数十倍に上がっただと…), and again they can't be at actually 0 chakra or they'd be dead. The raws don't even say out of chakra, just low (･･･任務明けでチャクラが切れかけていたとはいえ･･･オレら上忍がこの有り様だ･･･上忍でチームを編成し 援護に向かわせるべきです), and CM1 has low chakra compared to CM2 too. Not that I'm saying they would've beaten Genma and Raido at FP, but they're not so far off.

When did he infuse it with chakra?

Is Sakon 10-B now? I don't necessarily mean putting chakra inside the senbon, but shooting it out with chakra.

I don't think they know how strong a high level Jonin is. Besides, weren't they talking about a surprise attack?

Above a regular jonin, clearly. And they don't make mention of that.

Have yall seen this yet



Hashirama VS Kakuzu animation, the fight starts like halfway thru the vid

W animation, even if Kakuzu did way better than he would realistically

 

[ssgengar]

W animation, even if Kakuzu did way better than he would realistically

Lol yeah he did way better than he realistically would’ve. But it’s cool to see someone’s take on a part of the series we never got to see

 

[HelloThere1089]

Peak

 

[BlastX]

One thing to note about the Sound 4 is that just using CSM2 drains a lot of chakra, just using it a bit left them weakened, so even the fight against those weakened special jonin might have been easy and still come out tired out of it.

 

[HelloThere1089]

CSM2 drains a lot of chakra

Damn. Didn't know Chainsaw Man 2 drains a lot of chakra.

Spoiler: CSM Spoilers

 

[ssgengar]

Peak

You can say a lot about Lawaki but you can’t say he aint consistent

 

[karo_senpaii]

My guy we were talking about durability. Sparkle and I. Hidari is relative to Code (if not above) which means his durability should be relative. So Sarada's Chidori is above Hidari's physicals because she managed to hurt him. That's the discussion. It's about establishing what Sarada's chidori scales to.

What? What are you even talking about? How is Ada being above Jigen prove that her physicals are on WK Code's level? She has no such scaling. She only scales above Jigen who scales above Naruto. She has no scaling to put her above Uzuhiko level physicals.

Brother my conversation with Sparkle was not about Hidari vs Sarada. It was Sarada vs Ada. When I said her chidori is above Hidari, I was clearly trying to establish the fact that her chidori scales to the Uzuhiko calc.

My guy I wasn't arguing who would win between Sarada, Hidari, and Code. I was just establishing that Sarada's Chidori is above both of their physicals. The main discussion was about Sarada vs Ada. Nobody is delusional enough to think Sarada can for sure defeat Code and Hidari because she legit had to be saved against both of them. It's about their physicals because of the Uzuhiko calc.

1. I wasn't talking about durability. I was just talking about poor control in general. The irony is these guys use control also for durability so actually it could affect it but that's beside the point.

2. Code statement is = power exceeds jigens
Ada statement is= power far surpasses jigen.

Literally ada would scale higher

3. Who was the person that said that why did boruto need to save sarada if she was relative to him with 3 tomoe like vs hidari. Maybe wasn't you then.

4. Yeah sure her chidori scales but that's it though. It won't hold up to ada who is on a different level than code

 

[HelloThere1089]

1. I wasn't talking about durability. I was just talking about poor control in general. The irony is these guys use control also for durability so actually it could affect it but that's beside the point.

This is just headcanon. How did you come to the conclusion that he has poor control in general?

2. Code statement is = power exceeds jigens
Ada statement is= power far surpasses jigen.

That's not how scaling works. Just because "far surpasses" is a stronger phrasing than "exceeds", doesn't mean we can scale two characters who have no direct comparison. Anything based on what you just presented would be arguing semantics. And even in the scene you are referring, Code is called an exception, which means he's likely included in the list of cyborgs who far surpass Jigen. But this is all arguing semantics.

Edit: I mean this is about personal scaling anyways, so if you wanna use that kind of argument in your personal scaling then go for it.

Literally ada would scale higher

No.

3. Who was the person that said that why did boruto need to save sarada if she was relative to him with 3 tomoe like vs hidari. Maybe wasn't you then.

I never said this. Her needing to be saved from Hidari means she lost in a 1v1 plain and simple. What we were talking about is her AP with chidori being above Hidari's physicals.

4. Yeah sure her chidori scales but that's it though. It won't hold up to ada who is on a different level than code

This is just not proven rn. Based on the given concrete info, I'd put Sarada's chidori way above Ada's physicals. I am aware that Ada seems like a bigger threat than Sarada but I just prefer to stick with concrete logical connections and scaling chains. I'd rather wait till I'm proven wrong by the author.

 

[KaydeeX]

My Chapter 12 predictions

• Boruto fights Hidari
• Boruto ask Leaf Jonin to take Himawari and Sumire to hospital
• Konohamaru protects Sarada until she’s able to move while Boruto fights Hidari
• Boruto having conversation with Shikamaru about the situation
• Kawaki and Delta fights Jura
• Kawaki fights without Karma but quickly realises he has no match, In the meantime Boruto only uses taijutsu and kenjutsu to fight Hidari to save his chakra
• Delta fires laser beam but Jura dodge it and get one shot by him
• Kawaki activates his Karma to v2 and he’s able to do some damage to Jura
• Sarada awakes and joins fights with Boruto
• Sarada uses her MS sharingan and reveals her MS ability (some genjutsu that allows Hidari to realise who he is and he will betray Jura and other shinjus but won’t switch sides to join the leaf, while still acting he is part of the shinju’s group or something)
• Hidari kidnaps Sarada to an unknown place to have conversations with her
• Jura outmatches Kawaki and knocks him out then teleports to where Boruto is and realises Hidari isn’t there and gets suspicious
• Boruto reveals a new technique as he joins to battle against Jura

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Stand proud, you can cook

 

[HelloThere1089]

Peak. Not sure if some it will happen, but peak.

 

[BlackeJan]

Sub rel Kakashi isn’t ridiculous at all,

Tbh I don’t think Kakashi trained much other then getting a sharigan. He could had been that fast since BoS

 

[BlackeJan]

Sasuke's Kirin, Haku, and Mifune's LS expression were not seen as exaggerations, but were considered not to measure up to the other characters. Only Attack Speeds are LS

So if people who are hella faster then said person means they should scale to the speed of the attack

 

[HelloThere1089]

Bro is catching up on month old debates

 

[Ryzen7900X]

internet explorer ahh debate

 

[ssgengar]

Kawaki and Delta vs Jura would actually be pretty cool to see yeah

 

[karo_senpaii]

This is just headcanon. How did you come to the conclusion that he has poor control in general?

That's not how scaling works. Just because "far surpasses" is a stronger phrasing than "exceeds", doesn't mean we can scale two characters who have no direct comparison. Anything based on what you just presented would be arguing semantics. And even in the scene you are referring, Code is called an exception, which means he's likely included in the list of cyborgs who far surpass Jigen. But this is all arguing semantics.

Edit: I mean this is about personal scaling anyways, so if you wanna use that kind of argument in your personal scaling then go for it.

No.

I never said this. Her needing to be saved from Hidari means she lost in a 1v1 plain and simple. What we were talking about is her AP with chidori being above Hidari's physicals.

This is just not proven rn. Based on the given concrete info, I'd put Sarada's chidori way above Ada's physicals. I am aware that Ada seems like a bigger threat than Sarada but I just prefer to stick with concrete logical connections and scaling chains. I'd rather wait till I'm proven wrong by the author.

1. You're focusing on what I said I'm not arguing on.

2. That is exactly how scaling works. Exceed and far surpasses are in by no means in the same ball park. Not even close. In the scene I am referencing Amado outrightly separates code from the Cyborgs that far surpass jigen.

3. That's the point I'm passing across. It won't be enough to defeat anyone scaling to Code or hidari I.e ada

 

[BlackeJan]

Sasuke's Kirin, Haku, and Mifune's LS expression were not seen as exaggerations, but were considered not to measure up to the other characters. Only Attack Speeds are LS

So if a person of hella faster then said person they should scale to that attack or at least have the high tiers and above scale to it

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Tbh I don’t think Kakashi trained much other then getting a sharigan. He could had been that fast since BoS

• BoS Kakashi is Pre-PA Base Naruto level
• PA Kakashi is almost as fast as SM Jiraiya
• WA Kakashi is faster than KCM Naruto

 

[BlackeJan]

• BoS Kakashi is Pre-PA Base Naruto level
• PA Kakashi is almost as fast as SM Jiraiya
• WA Kakashi is faster than KCM Naruto

Meh. It’s how Kishi wanted to portray him with other characters cause realistically he should had been a same or at least a bit stronger for BoS to the Last

 

[HelloThere1089]

1. You're focusing on what I said I'm not arguing on.

I mean you're the one who brought it up not me. But aight.

2. That is exactly how scaling works. Exceed and far surpasses are in by no means in the same ball park. Not even close. In the scene I am referencing Amado outrightly separates code from the Cyborgs that far surpass jigen.

Semantics my guy. And he never indicated an "outright" separation. If your only evidence for that is "exceed" vs "far surpass" then you have misjudged the context of the scene. The scene is about cyborgs being stronger than Jigen. And Code being the exception that escaped the collective fate. They even bolded the word "several" which means the context of the scene is that "Code is not the only one that is above Jigen."

3. That's the point I'm passing across. It won't be enough to defeat anyone scaling to Code or hidari I.e ada

You're not getting my point tho. Hidari teleported and paralyzed Sarada. And the only reason he stood back up is because of his regen. All of these Ada doesn't have. Her charm also doesn't work on Sarada. So unless she whips out an unknown hax or AP ability (which I later mentioned to Sparkle if you read my earlier comments), one Chidori to the head would do the trick.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Meh. It’s how Kishi wanted to portray him with other characters cause realistically he should had been a same or at least a bit stronger for BoS to the Last

He's just very talented? This is the guy that became jonin at 12 or younger. I'm sure his mental energy also got a boost when he had a talk with Sakumo

 

[SlendVeny]

Uh...I don't recall this ever being mentioned

Rin?

Again, Gaara having unknown powers is after he knows what happened between Sasuke and Gaara in the forest. Temari is barely chunin level, she adds nothing to a mission being A rank, and Kankuro had shown some of his abilities against that sound fodder, which also is nothing impressive. The enemies were out in the open, not in forests where nothing was really happening. And again, the mission details at the bottom right just mention pursuing and fighting Gaara.

Yes, but Kakashi would have taken the whole of the situation into account. Although, I suppose we're never going to reach an agreement on this point.

I mean they literally are chunin,

Damn, they really are just complete ass. Did they have a third brother that was just carrying them through the Chunin Exams?

and have done plenty of B-rank missions which are the higher end of chunin level missions.

I really wish they were more specific about whether it meant individuals or teams.

Another jonin? If you're gonna mention this jonin being fatigued too, that's not my point, just that he thinks their power level is unnatural.

He said "If you go after them alone." And Iwashi is a Chunin.

It's actually tens of times (あの右目ヤローが出てきてただでさえ絶望的なのにチャクラが数十倍に上がっただと…), and again they can't be at actually 0 chakra or they'd be dead. The raws don't even say out of chakra, just low (･･･任務明けでチャクラが切れかけていたとはいえ･･･オレら上忍がこの有り様だ･･･上忍でチームを編成し 援護に向かわせるべきです), and CM1 has low chakra compared to CM2 too. Not that I'm saying they would've beaten Genma and Raido at FP, but they're not so far off.

Eh, maybe. Still think full-power Genma and Raido would have slaughtered them.

Is Sakon 10-B now?

New agenda.

I don't necessarily mean putting chakra inside the senbon, but shooting it out with chakra.

I suppose, but a Kunai is still inherently stronger than a senbon.

 

[HelloThere1089]

This is the guy that became jonin at 12 or younger.

10

 

[karo_senpaii]

I mean you're the one who brought it up not me. But aight.

Semantics my guy. And he never indicated an "outright" separation. If your only evidence for that is "exceed" vs "far surpass" then you have misjudged the context of the scene. The scene is about cyborgs being stronger than Jigen. And Code being the exception that escaped the collective fate. They even bolded the word "several" which means the context of the scene is that "Code is not the only one that is above Jigen."

You're not getting my point tho. Hidari teleported and paralyzed Sarada. And the only reason he stood back up is because of his regen. All of these Ada doesn't have. Her charm also doesn't work on Sarada. So unless she whips out an unknown hax or AP ability (which I later mentioned to Sparkle if you read my earlier comments), one Chidori to the head would do the trick.

I didn't misjudge the context. In truth that statement was to foreshadow the emergence of daemon and ada hence the "several" it had nothing to do with code being part. Amado could have easily said "just like code there were several cyborg who's power greatly surpassed jigen" but he didn't. He specifically first used the word "exceed" for code and then went on to say many others greatly surpassed jigen power . Code is a part in whole as people who exceed jigen but ada and daemon are in the category of greatly surpassed jigen power. And daemon is evidence they are definitely not in same category. To put ada below is something that's just not possible.

The issue is the chidori is not gonna hit. Ada does not have tunnel vision like hidari which prevented him from dodging. She would simply dodge as she is fast enough. A simple hit from ada and the fight is over. This gets nowhere

 

[HelloThere1089]

I didn't misjudge the context. In truth that statement was to foreshadow the emergence of daemon and ada hence the "several" it had nothing to do with code being part. Amado could have easily said "just like code there were several cyborg who's power greatly surpassed jigen" but he didn't. He specifically first used the word "exceed" for code and then went on to say many others greatly surpassed jigen power . Code is a part in whole as people who exceed jigen but ada and daemon are in the category of greatly surpassed jigen power. And daemon is evidence they are definitely not in same category. To put ada below is something that's just not possible.

I disagree. I didn't find any indication of the author purposefully trying to differentiate between Ada and Code powerwise. I still think this is based on semantics. And Daemon is supposedly number 1, so Ada doesn't really scale to him. Him being stronger than Code doesn't mean Code isn't in that category. But let's just agree to disagree.

The issue is the chidori is not gonna hit. Ada does not have tunnel vision like hidari which prevented him from dodging. She would simply dodge as she is fast enough. A simple hit from ada and the fight is over. This gets nowhere

Again, this is based on you scaling her above WK Code which I currently (until the series provides proof) disagree with. Agree to disagree.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

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[MinatoSparkle]

Rin?

Oh that's what you meant, but anyways it's not explicitly stated Kakashi knew there was a Bijuu inside her, just implied at best. Even if he did, he clearly didn't know Gaara had one given all the details I've mentioned in this argument.

Yes, but Kakashi would have taken the whole of the situation into account. Although, I suppose we're never going to reach an agreement on this point.

Sure agree to disagree on this point

Damn, they really are just complete ass. Did they have a third brother that was just carrying them through the Chunin Exams?

Considering they're framed as a duo I highly doubt it

I really wish they were more specific about whether it meant individuals or teams.

I imagine it's them as duos completing the missions ftmp since they're known as the Demon Brothers, not the Demon Trio or Team or anything.

He said "If you go after them alone." And Iwashi is a Chunin.

Doesn't really change my point

Eh, maybe. Still think full-power Genma and Raido would have slaughtered them.

It'd be no less than a mid diff battle. Probably high diff.

New agenda.

I suppose, but a Kunai is still inherently stronger than a senbon.

Splitting hairs

10

There are some weird inconsistencies with Kakashi's age so I'd rather be conservative

 

[Nierre]

My Chapter 12 predictions

• Boruto fights Hidari
• Boruto ask Leaf Jonin to take Himawari and Sumire to hospital
• Konohamaru protects Sarada until she’s able to move while Boruto fights Hidari
• Boruto having conversation with Shikamaru about the situation
• Kawaki and Delta fights Jura
• Kawaki fights without Karma but quickly realises he has no match, In the meantime Boruto only uses taijutsu and kenjutsu to fight Hidari to save his chakra
• Delta fires laser beam but Jura dodge it and get one shot by him
• Kawaki activates his Karma to v2 and he’s able to do some damage to Jura
• Sarada awakes and joins fights with Boruto
• Sarada uses her MS sharingan and reveals her MS ability (some genjutsu that allows Hidari to realise who he is and he will betray Jura and other shinjus but won’t switch sides to join the leaf, while still acting he is part of the shinju’s group or something)
• Hidari kidnaps Sarada to an unknown place to have conversations with her
• Jura outmatches Kawaki and knocks him out then teleports to where Boruto is and realises Hidari isn’t there and gets suspicious
• Boruto reveals a new technique as he joins to battle against Jura

cook.

I forgot, have you gotten any chapter predictions right so far?

 

[SlendVeny]

My Chapter 12 predictions

• Boruto fights Hidari

100%

• Boruto ask Leaf Jonin to take Himawari and Sumire to hospital

100%

• Konohamaru protects Sarada until she’s able to move while Boruto fights Hidari

100%

• Boruto having conversation with Shikamaru about the situation

Very likely.

• Kawaki and Delta fights Jura

Hyped for this btw.

• Kawaki fights without Karma but quickly realises he has no match,

I don't think Mr. K would do that, Jura already gave him the title of Dogwalki in V1 Karma.

• In the meantime Boruto only uses taijutsu and kenjutsu to fight Hidari to save his chakra

Eh, it's 50/50 on this.

• Delta fires laser beam but Jura dodge it and get one shot by him

Delta getting fodderized would be sad, but not unlikely.

• Kawaki activates his Karma to v2 and he’s able to do some damage to Jura

Kawaki needs this.

• Sarada awakes and joins fights with Boruto

For sure, but it might be another chapter away.

• Sarada uses her MS sharingan and reveals her MS ability (some genjutsu that allows Hidari to realise who he is and he will betray Jura and other shinjus but won’t switch sides to join the leaf, while still acting he is part of the shinju’s group or something)

I don't consider this especially likely, but it would be cool.

• Hidari kidnaps Sarada to an unknown place to have conversations with her

For sure gonna happen sometime.

• Jura outmatches Kawaki and knocks him out then teleports to where Boruto is and realises Hidari isn’t there and gets suspicious

Very sizable chance.

• Boruto reveals a new technique as he joins to battle against Jura

I would like that.

 

[SlendVeny]

Considering they're framed as a duo I highly doubt it

I imagine it's them as duos completing the missions ftmp since they're known as the Demon Brothers, not the Demon Trio or Team or anything.

I know, but they probably had a team at some point. I was wondering if there was a third guy who was actually good, but got killed or something.

Doesn't really change my point

It does, they were just telling a Chunin he would die if he followed and that they were gonna get a little silly on him.

Splitting hairs

Splitting hairs is an Otsutsuki technique, that's a compliment.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I know, but they probably had a team at some point. I was wondering if there was a third guy who was actually good, but got killed or something.

Oooor they're actually good since there are individual battle parts of the Chunin Exams.

It does, they were just telling a Chunin he would die if he followed and that they were gonna get a little silly on him.

Or he's just saying their powers are out of this world.

Splitting hairs is an Otsutsuki technique, that's a compliment.

Mhmmmmm. So yeah CM1 Sakon is somewhat relative to Fatigued Genma.