Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[SlendVeny]

Yeah aint no way Juubidara is ducking that lol

He'd honestly be good to run the 1v1 with Kin for a few minutes, but then he'd be looking like he did after Guy kicked him.

 

[HelloThere1089]

After making my top 10 list, I watched the Kaguya episodes again. Does she even have that good of a regen? Her regen is a lot slower than Madara or Obito if she even has any. She did regrow her arm after her transformation but then we don't really see her regenerate after that. I don't get why Naruto didn't aim for the head when he chopped her arm off. It's pretty confusing. Why did Hags say that the only way to defeat her is to seal her if Naruto could just chop her head off?

The way I see it:

1. Pre transformation Kaguya has no regeneration.
2. Post transformation Kaguya can regrow limbs but we don't know how fast.
3. Naruto not just chopping her head implies she might be able to regrow her head but this argument can be used in Boruto too since Jigen doesn't aim for the head.

Based on all of this, Kaguya might go down the list. It would be great if anyone could clarify this for me.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Plot​

 

[AnimesFreak2]

KCM Naruto could already slow down Low Godly Regen ( Edo Tensei ) with Kurama's power

Now imagine that shit being enhanced by his six paths power, it would get an insane buff

Kaguya is supposed to have the greatest immortality in the verse ( so above Edo Tensei ) but that just means Naruto temporarily slowed down her regen with his power

It's that simple

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Alright bois, this is for nard's anime profile

Road to ninja states that the infinite tsukuyomi are physical worlds that are a one-one replica of the real world with minor changes such as the characters having different personalities and events. These worlds can be accesed via space-time ninjutsu like kamui and so on, this would make these world uni+.

So obito uses the power of 7 tailed beasts combine to create an uni+ realm via limited tsukuyomi jutsu, he becomes the ten tails jin with the 7 tailed beasts. How would his AP and Dura scale?

 

[HelloThere1089]

KCM Naruto could already slow down Low Godly Regen ( Edo Tensei ) with Kurama's power

Now imagine that shit being enhanced by his six paths power, it would get an insane buff

Kaguya is supposed to have the greatest immortality in the verse ( so above Edo Tensei ) but that just means Naruto temporarily slowed down her regen with his power

It's that simple

Makes sense tbh. Although I'm still a bit sceptical since she never showed any good regeneration on screen. And immortality can be achieved through different methods. Could to link me the scan for her having the greatest immortality? Maybe the context will make things more clear.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

who would you guys say are the top 10 strongest female characters in the verse rn, including Moegi.(not just stat wise, overall)

10. Kushina (stated above KCM Naruto, blitzed 50% Kurama who's faster than WA SM Naruto and probably KCM1 Naruto, restrained 100% Kurama)
9. Hamura chakra Hinata (refilled TL Naruto's chakra supply, idk should be vaguely Six Paths level otherwise cause of Hamura's chakra too)
8. Sakura (more chakra than a SPSM clone, reacted to and harmed IT Kaguya, refilled TL Naruto's chakra, can fight Shin who slightly scales to Naruto and Sasuke)
7. Kurotuschi (somewhat near Kinshiki, should be above Sakura as the Kage are stated to be the best ninja to fight the Otsutsuki and are called the strongest of this age)
6. Kaguya (just Kaguya. Should be around Kinshiki's level who's above the BE Kage individually)
4/5. Sarada/Delta (Sarada has better feats, but Delta has more consistent and definitive scaling)
3. Himawari (tentative position, could be a little higher or lower, as her pushing Jura to test out his true power is pretty vague)
2. Eida (stated to be superior to Jigen, although her position is a bit debatable as she supposedly doesn't specialize in combat)
1. Matsuri (pretty obvious, far above Code and pressured Boruto who's a contender for strongest in the verse atm)

Oh, right, Kakashi can sense Chakra. Meaning he could tell this guy had way more Chakra in there. Almost like a Bijuu or something was there.

That's...not how sensing chakra works. We know that Bijuu chakra only flares up when a jinchuriki releases their power, that's why Naruto is only sensed as having above Kakashi/Zabuza level chakra when he goes KM0 and not passively, or like when Neji only saw a huge amount of chakra in Naruto when he unleashed some Kurama chakra, why Sasuke only saw a bunch of chakra at VOTE1 when he released Kurama chakra, etc. Kakashi was just sensing PT Gaara's power level, not full Shukaku's.

No it doesn't. A fatigued Jonin is still strong. That's all he meant.

It's arbitrary unless it's a certain level. Anyone could be fatigued to any level. If Rinnegan Sasuke was at pretty much zero chakra, he could be like genin level, so in that situation saying "I may have been fatigued but I'm still Sasuke" is a statement with no real meaning. The statement's clearly comparing the Sound 4 to jonin level.

Nah, it would still make sense.

Beyond the work of shinobi but fodder to you? Idk about that

Not all Anbu are Jonin level.

They are generally considered the most elite ninja, so surely above chunin level on average

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

the anbu being the most elite ninja is the equivalent of Obi wan telling Luke that the blaster marks are far too accurate to be random goons, only "stormtroopers could be so precise"

 

[Ryzen7900X]

if Anbu were actually elite naruto as a series would've never started

 

[Sasukesama0492]

 

[HelloThere1089]

This is positively based

 

[Testarossa002]

10. Kushina (stated above KCM Naruto, blitzed 50% Kurama who's faster than WA SM Naruto and probably KCM1 Naruto, restrained 100% Kurama)
9. Hamura chakra Hinata (refilled TL Naruto's chakra supply, idk should be vaguely Six Paths level otherwise cause of Hamura's chakra too)
8. Sakura (more chakra than a SPSM clone, reacted to and harmed IT Kaguya, refilled TL Naruto's chakra, can fight Shin who slightly scales to Naruto and Sasuke)
7. Kurotuschi (somewhat near Kinshiki, should be above Sakura as the Kage are stated to be the best ninja to fight the Otsutsuki and are called the strongest of this age)
6. Kaguya (just Kaguya. Should be around Kinshiki's level who's above the BE Kage individually)
4/5. Sarada/Delta (Sarada has better feats, but Delta has more consistent and definitive scaling)
3. Himawari (tentative position, could be a little higher or lower, as her pushing Jura to test out his true power is pretty vague)
2. Eida (stated to be superior to Jigen, although her position is a bit debatable as she supposedly doesn't specialize in combat)
1. Matsuri (pretty obvious, far above Code and pressured Boruto who's a contender for strongest in the verse atm)

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything but you have a, ehm, unique way of scaling inverse Naruto

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything but you have a, ehm, unique way of scaling inverse Naruto

Ion see what's so unique other than Kushina but mk

 

[HelloThere1089]

@MinatoSparkle based on the current info, wouldn't Sarada be above Ada? There is nothing that scales Ada above current WK Code iirc. I agree about Himawari being vague which is why I left her out of my rankings. Idk about Hinata tho. Pretty shaky.

 

[SlendVeny]

That's...not how sensing chakra works. We know that Bijuu chakra only flares up when a jinchuriki releases their power, that's why Naruto is only sensed as having above Kakashi/Zabuza level chakra when he goes KM0 and not passively, or like when Neji only saw a huge amount of chakra in Naruto when he unleashed some Kurama chakra, why Sasuke only saw a bunch of chakra at VOTE1 when he released Kurama chakra, etc. Kakashi was just sensing PT Gaara's power level, not full Shukaku's.

I mean, isn't Bijuu chakra supposed to feel different from human chakra? And Kakashi would thus, like I said, be able to tell Gaara had more than just his own chakra going on up there?

It's arbitrary unless it's a certain level. Anyone could be fatigued to any level. If Rinnegan Sasuke was at pretty much zero chakra, he could be like genin level, so in that situation saying "I may have been fatigued but I'm still Sasuke" is a statement with no real meaning. The statement's clearly comparing the Sound 4 to jonin level.

Not really. A fatigued Jonin is still strong, but that doesn't mean a Jonin with no chakra, who is injured and fatigued is still Jonin level.

Beyond the work of shinobi but fodder to you? Idk about that

Yes? They nearly killed them in a 4.5v2

They are generally considered the most elite ninja, so surely above chunin level on average

One would think that.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

strongest female characters

1. Konan
2.Konan
3.Konan
4.Konan
5.Konan
6.Konan
7.Konan.
8.Konan
9.Konan.
10. Cho Cho

 

[HelloThere1089]

Slams

 

[SlendVeny]

Slams

Orochimaru really taking over a woman's body to become less pretty.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I wonder what was special about her that enticed Orochimaru to steal her body

 

[Nierre]

if we could get art, angles and panelling like this >>>>

 

[MinatoSparkle]

@MinatoSparkle based on the current info, wouldn't Sarada be above Ada? There is nothing that scales Ada above current WK Code iirc. I agree about Himawari being vague which is why I left her out of my rankings. Idk about Hinata tho. Pretty shaky.

You could say so, it did seem presented that Boruto saved Sarada from Code though, which would be weird if she's stronger than him in just 3T. Might just be that Hidari has poor control of his powers and not that Sarada's truly on his level

I mean, isn't Bijuu chakra supposed to feel different from human chakra? And Kakashi would thus, like I said, be able to tell Gaara had more than just his own chakra going on up there?

He could tell it was weird chakra, but there's no indication of him suspecting a Bijuu. Afaik, P1 Kakashi's knowledge on Bijuu stuff is just unknown other than him obviously knowing Kurama's in Naruto. Even the Kakashi POV section of the fanbook summarizing the events of the story indicated that he didn't know about Shukaku, and basically says the A rankness of the mission was just due to the possibility of battling Gaara, nothing beyond.

Not really. A fatigued Jonin is still strong, but that doesn't mean a Jonin with no chakra, who is injured and fatigued is still Jonin level.

Considering that statement was directly connected to him saying a squad of jonin is needed for backup, the correlation does pretty strongly suggest they're jonin level. Also they weren't injured prior to the fight.

Yes? They nearly killed them in a 4.5v2

Nearly killed is being very generous, the S4 were just scuffed, not even bloodied, and even in CM1, Sakon could match Genma. In fact, considering the fight started with the S4 in CM1, that might be a big part of why they're roughed up, and they only went CM2 when they were pressed.

Also, they were even considering risking a fight with Kakashi, a FP elite jonin.

One would think that.

And it is true, even if they're just used as a measuring stick most of the time.

 

[HelloThere1089]

You could say so, it did seem presented that Boruto saved Sarada from Code though, which would be weird if she's stronger than him in just 3T. Might just be that Hidari has poor control of his powers and not that Sarada's truly on his level

Poor control or not, Hidari is considered above Code in his current condition. I would mention that She's above Hidari because of Chidori. We don't know about her usual stats. But I think Ada has nothing except maybe flight to counter that. So that's why I put Sarada above Ada.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Poor control or not, Hidari is considered above Code in his current condition. I would mention that She's above Hidari because of Chidori. We don't know about her usual stats. But I think Ada has nothing except maybe flight to counter that. So that's why I put Sarada above Ada.

It could mean he fluctuates though, but that's fair. Eida's hax might be a better tool than her stats though.

 

[HelloThere1089]

It could mean he fluctuates though, but that's fair. Eida's hax might be a better tool than her stats though.

I mean tbh Ada is a wild card. She legitimately can whip out a new hax and we can't even question it. So I guess I could put her above Sarada based on that and the general optics. I just don't usually use that kind of logic.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Is Kakashi really the youngest ever genin, chunin, and jonin? Kakashi, Minato, and Itachi really are the holy trinity of speedrunning ranks.

 

[Godernet]

After making my top 10 list, I watched the Kaguya episodes again. Does she even have that good of a regen? Her regen is a lot slower than Madara or Obito if she even has any.

she's a Bijuu so yeah, her regen would be above a Jinchuuriki's

She did regrow her arm after her transformation but then we don't really see her regenerate after that.

the only damage she takes afterward is Kamui Raikiri and she's sealed seconds later.

I don't get why Naruto didn't aim for the head when he chopped her arm off.

Naruto doesn't really aim to cut off peoples heads in general, not to mention he mainly aimed for her arm because it was Zetsu on Kaguya's arm trash-talking Obito.

It's pretty confusing. Why did Hags say that the only way to defeat her is to seal her if Naruto could just chop her head off?

Because none of them have the AP to damage her much and even if they could she would regen.

the only times anyone damages Kaguya is a mental amped Naruto and a Kamui Raikiri from DMS Kakashi, and in Naruto's case, she was extremely low on chakra.

Naruto not just chopping her head implies she might be able to regrow her head but this argument can be used in Boruto too since Jigen doesn't aim for the head.

Naruto not chopping off her head doesn't imply anything.

• It's not in character for him.
• He wasn't able to damage her for 99% of the fight, even with his stated strongest ninjutsu.
• his only successful attack was aimed at Black Zetsu on Kaguya's arm, while he was pissed because Zetsu was being a goon.

 

[ssgengar]

I wish Naruto would’ve used the other Biju Rasenshuriken individually. Like the 2 tails or magnet style Rasenshuriken would be hella cool

Seems like the lava one is his go to though

 

[HelloThere1089]

I already agreed above that Kaguya prolly has better regen than edo tensei, but aight.

she's a Bijuu so yeah, her regen would be above a Jinchuuriki's

This would make sense yeah. But can you send me a scan of her being a bijuu herself? I always thought of her as being similar to Madara and Obito in that aspect.

the only damage she takes afterward is Kamui Raikiri and she's sealed seconds later.

Yeah. Which is why I said we don't really see her regenerate after her transformation. I never disagreed on this point.

Naruto doesn't really aim to cut off peoples heads in general, not to mention he mainly aimed for her arm because it was Zetsu on Kaguya's arm trash-talking Obito.

Second reason makes sense.

Because none of them have the AP to damage her much and even if they could she would regen.

the only times anyone damages Kaguya is a mental amped Naruto and a Kamui Raikiri from DMS Kakashi, and in Naruto's case, she was extremely low on chakra.

Is it really mental amped Naruto? Didn't he focus chakra in his hand or sumn. If that was so out of his abilities wouldn't he show some sort of surprise? He seemed pretty nonchalant about the fact that he cut off a character's arm that he couldn't even scratch before. That makes me think he expected to cut off her arm with a specific jutsu. Your second reason makes more sense to me.

 

[Crobatman44]

I wonder what was special about her that enticed Orochimaru to steal her body

Her drip?

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I wonder what was special about her that enticed Orochimaru to steal her body

"Freaky ass ***** he a 69 god, Freaky ass ***** he a 69 god"

 

[Godernet]

I already agreed above that Kaguya prolly has better regen than edo tensei, but aight.

Mb then

This would make sense yeah. But can you send me a scan of her being a bijuu herself? I always thought of her as being similar to Madara and Obito in that aspect.

Nah she’s called the literal Ten-Tails a few times so she’s a bit different from just being a jinchuuriki,

Yeah. Which is why I said we don't really see her regenerate after her transformation. I never disagreed on this point.

Mhm

Is it really mental amped Naruto? Didn't he focus chakra in his hand or sumn. If that was so out of his abilities wouldn't he show some sort of surprise? He seemed pretty nonchalant about the fact that he cut off a character's arm that he couldn't even scratch before. That makes me think he expected to cut off her arm with a specific jutsu. Your second reason makes more sense to me.

I mean he and others have used mental amps before, it’s a mechanic of the power system, Haku first explains it to him when he “fights for someone or something he cares about he’ll have power beyond his normal capabilities, he even thinks about this during his fight with Gaara before releasing a huge amount of chakra that he’s not normally able to use.

So no Naruto wouldn’t be surprised about something he’s experienced before. And it’s not like it’s a hypothetical amp, he goes from not being able to damage her even when she’s off guard or using Boil Release to being able to cut off her arm in that moment, even seconds after he does hurt her he goes back to doing 0 damage when he drops 9 Rasenshurikens on her head that don’t do anything.

 

[SlendVeny]

He could tell it was weird chakra, but there's no indication of him suspecting a Bijuu. Afaik, P1 Kakashi's knowledge on Bijuu stuff is just unknown other than him obviously knowing Kurama's in Naruto.

He also knows about Isobu.

Even the Kakashi POV section of the fanbook summarizing the events of the story indicated that he didn't know about Shukaku, and basically says the A rankness of the mission was just due to the possibility of battling Gaara, nothing beyond.

Yeah, and in there, he specifically states Gaara most likely has hidden powers.

Considering that statement was directly connected to him saying a squad of jonin is needed for backup, the correlation does pretty strongly suggest they're jonin level. Also they weren't injured prior to the fight.

"Beyond the work of Shinobi" doesn't even mean anything, anyway, it's clearly just stating their power is weird and wacky, unless we're meant to believe they're above Hiruzen.

Nearly killed is being very generous, the S4 were just scuffed, not even bloodied,

Yes, but Kidomaru notes that if they hadn't gone all-out, they would have died.

and even in CM1, Sakon could match Genma.

That is a Kunai being thrown by an arm clashing with a single Senbon being spit from Genma's mouth to counter it.

In fact, considering the fight started with the S4 in CM1, that might be a big part of why they're roughed up, and they only went CM2 when they were pressed.

Also, they were even considering risking a fight with Kakashi, a FP elite jonin.

Bro, Kakashi would have slaughtered them. They're overconfident.

 

[SlendVeny]

Naruto not just chopping her head implies she might be able to regrow her head but this argument can be used in Boruto too since Jigen doesn't aim for the head.

Why would she regrow her head out of her torso? Is her brain in her stomach or something?

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Weren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Weren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao

Yup.

 

[Kayzz]

After making my top 10 list, I watched the Kaguya episodes again. Does she even have that good of a regen? Her regen is a lot slower than Madara or Obito if she even has any. She did regrow her arm after her transformation but then we don't really see her regenerate after that. I don't get why Naruto didn't aim for the head when he chopped her arm off. It's pretty confusing. Why did Hags say that the only way to defeat her is to seal her if Naruto could just chop her head off?

The way I see it:

1. Pre transformation Kaguya has no regeneration.
2. Post transformation Kaguya can regrow limbs but we don't know how fast.
3. Naruto not just chopping her head implies she might be able to regrow her head but this argument can be used in Boruto too since Jigen doesn't aim for the head.

Based on all of this, Kaguya might go down the list. It would be great if anyone could clarify this for me.

• Regeneration consumes a massive amount of chakra. (Stated many times in-verse)
• Kaguya's body requires more chakra than Juubidara's to form.
• Kaguya was running low on chakra by the time Naruto cut her arm off, so it would take a while before it reforms. However, she can speed up the process by absorbing chakra from IT victims.
• Statements from Victor who grew his head back makes it clear that Juubi Jin (and Shinju) regeneration is better. Kaguya became one with the Juubi, better than other Juubi Jins.

 

[Stryker861]

A bit late but Chino would probably be somewhere in the top 10, likely above kushina for fighting sasuke atleast

 

[SlendVeny]

Weren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao

No, you don't get it, they didn't say "since we got tired, we are now Chunin," so they must have still been at full power!

 

[MinatoSparkle]

He also knows about Isobu.

From where?

Yeah, and in there, he specifically states Gaara most likely has hidden powers.

From his battle in the forest where he was already partially transformed sure. And no it's not about his official match, that was covered in the previous page, meaning he only got this knowledge after assigning the A rank mission. Heck it even says Kakashi thought Sasuke would stalemate Gaara who he thought was A rank worthy, so if you're generous you could even argue CE CM1 Sasuke being borderline jonin level (at least with Chidori), letalone the CM2 S4.

"Beyond the work of Shinobi" doesn't even mean anything, anyway, it's clearly just stating their power is weird and wacky, unless we're meant to believe they're above Hiruzen.

He follows this up by saying you'll die if you fight them so clearly he meant power too and not just weirdness. He can just be basing on his experience, which doesn't include fights with Kage level people.

Yes, but Kidomaru notes that if they hadn't gone all-out, they would have died.

Fatigued Genma and Raido>CM1 S4 doesn't mean Fatigued Genma and Raido~CM2 S4, CM1 to CM2 is a HUGE difference

That is a Kunai being thrown by an arm clashing with a single Senbon being spit from Genma's mouth to counter it.

Considering it's infusing a weapon that's fodder on its own with chakra either way I don't think the method is that crucial.

Bro, Kakashi would have slaughtered them. They're overconfident.

I agree, I'm saying that even thought they don't know his full capabilities, they know he's an elite jonin. So they think that as a group they might be able to take on a high level jonin, and 4 chunin level characters absolutely wouldn't be able to do that. There are just so many avenues of getting the S4 to jonin level it's ridiculous to say them being low-mid jonin level isn't at least plausible.

Also Anbu point still stands. Base Kidomaru reacted to and tagged multiple people of the most elite rank of ninja.

Weren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao

1. Genma is a stronger jonin even if he's officially a special jonin

Genma is able to fight Baki and Kabuto alongside Kakashi and Guy, Kabuto/Kakashi/Guy being Peak Jonin-Low Kage level, and Baki being the commander of the Sand combat unit, one of the strongest sand jonin, and superior to Hayate who's one of Konoha's best ninja, so idk still seems like Genma's mid-high jonin level. Might just be that him being a special jonin is cause his combat ability is jonin level but he lacks in some other aspect of being a jonin that we don't know of.

2. They did not stalemate whatsoever. That's like calling Jiraiya vs Pain a stalemate cause he beat 3 Paths and pressed Pain to use all 6
3. They definitely weren't at 0 chakra since they're still conscious and able to fight, but low

No, you don't get it, they didn't say "since we got tired, we are now Chunin," so they must have still been at full power!

 

[SlendVeny]

From where?

Where would Kakashi know about the Three-Tails from? Well, I'm pretty sure they explained his backstory to him.

From his battle in the forest where he was already partially transformed sure. And no it's not about his official match, that was covered in the previous page, meaning he only got this knowledge after assigning the A rank mission. Heck it even says Kakashi thought Sasuke would stalemate Gaara who he thought was A rank worthy, so if you're generous you could even argue CE CM1 Sasuke being borderline jonin level (at least with Chidori), letalone the CM2 S4.

He says the mission itself was A-Rank. He says Gaara probably has powers still unknown to them. Kankuro hadn't revealed his abilities yet, so he was a wild card. Temari... was also there. There were enemies everywhere, including the stadium they started in.

Besides, A-Rank doesn't mean it would be difficult for a Jonin, fighting the Demon Brothers alone was enough to make the LoW mission a B-Rank iirc, and those guys aren't even low Chunin.

He follows this up by saying you'll die if you fight them so clearly he meant power too and not just weirdness. He can just be basing on his experience, which doesn't include fights with Kage level people.

Who was he saying this to?

Fatigued Genma and Raido>CM1 S4 doesn't mean Fatigued Genma and Raido~CM2 S4, CM1 to CM2 is a HUGE difference

It's a 10x chakra multiplier, but the difference from 0% to 100% chakra is a much higher difference.

Considering it's infusing a weapon that's fodder on its own with chakra either way I don't think the method is that crucial.

When did he infuse it with chakra?

I agree, I'm saying that even thought they don't know his full capabilities, they know he's an elite jonin. So they think that as a group they might be able to take on a high level jonin, and 4 chunin level characters absolutely wouldn't be able to do that. There are just so many avenues of getting the S4 to jonin level it's ridiculous to say them being low-mid jonin level isn't at least plausible.

I don't think they know how strong a high level Jonin is. Besides, weren't they talking about a surprise attack?