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I'm not saying you're wrong or anything but you have a, ehm, unique way of scaling inverse Naruto
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
MinatoSparkle
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Ion see what's so unique other than Kushina but mk
HelloThere1089
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@MinatoSparkle based on the current info, wouldn't Sarada be above Ada? There is nothing that scales Ada above current WK Code iirc. I agree about Himawari being vague which is why I left her out of my rankings. Idk about Hinata tho. Pretty shaky.
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I mean, isn't Bijuu chakra supposed to feel different from human chakra? And Kakashi would thus, like I said, be able to tell Gaara had more than just his own chakra going on up there?
Not really. A fatigued Jonin is still strong, but that doesn't mean a Jonin with no chakra, who is injured and fatigued is still Jonin level.
Yes? They nearly killed them in a 4.5v2
One would think that.
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HelloThere1089
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Orochimaru really taking over a woman's body to become less pretty.
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I wonder what was special about her that enticed Orochimaru to steal her body
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if we could get art, angles and panelling like this >>>>
MinatoSparkle
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You could say so, it did seem presented that Boruto saved Sarada from Code though, which would be weird if she's stronger than him in just 3T. Might just be that Hidari has poor control of his powers and not that Sarada's truly on his level
He could tell it was weird chakra, but there's no indication of him suspecting a Bijuu. Afaik, P1 Kakashi's knowledge on Bijuu stuff is just unknown other than him obviously knowing Kurama's in Naruto. Even the Kakashi POV section of the fanbook summarizing the events of the story indicated that he didn't know about Shukaku, and basically says the A rankness of the mission was just due to the possibility of battling Gaara, nothing beyond.
Considering that statement was directly connected to him saying a squad of jonin is needed for backup, the correlation does pretty strongly suggest they're jonin level. Also they weren't injured prior to the fight.
Nearly killed is being very generous, the S4 were just scuffed, not even bloodied, and even in CM1, Sakon could match Genma. In fact, considering the fight started with the S4 in CM1, that might be a big part of why they're roughed up, and they only went CM2 when they were pressed.
Also, they were even considering risking a fight with Kakashi, a FP elite jonin.
And it is true, even if they're just used as a measuring stick most of the time.
HelloThere1089
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Poor control or not, Hidari is considered above Code in his current condition. I would mention that She's above Hidari because of Chidori. We don't know about her usual stats. But I think Ada has nothing except maybe flight to counter that. So that's why I put Sarada above Ada.
MinatoSparkle
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It could mean he fluctuates though, but that's fair. Eida's hax might be a better tool than her stats though.
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I mean tbh Ada is a wild card. She legitimately can whip out a new hax and we can't even question it. So I guess I could put her above Sarada based on that and the general optics. I just don't usually use that kind of logic.
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Is Kakashi really the youngest ever genin, chunin, and jonin? Kakashi, Minato, and Itachi really are the holy trinity of speedrunning ranks.
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she's a Bijuu so yeah, her regen would be above a Jinchuuriki's
the only damage she takes afterward is Kamui Raikiri and she's sealed seconds later.
Naruto doesn't really aim to cut off peoples heads in general, not to mention he mainly aimed for her arm because it was Zetsu on Kaguya's arm trash-talking Obito.
Because none of them have the AP to damage her much and even if they could she would regen.
the only times anyone damages Kaguya is a mental amped Naruto and a Kamui Raikiri from DMS Kakashi, and in Naruto's case, she was extremely low on chakra.
Naruto not chopping off her head doesn't imply anything.
- It's not in character for him.
- He wasn't able to damage her for 99% of the fight, even with his stated strongest ninjutsu.
- his only successful attack was aimed at Black Zetsu on Kaguya's arm, while he was pissed because Zetsu was being a goon.
HelloThere1089
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I already agreed above that Kaguya prolly has better regen than edo tensei, but aight.
This would make sense yeah. But can you send me a scan of her being a bijuu herself? I always thought of her as being similar to Madara and Obito in that aspect.
Yeah. Which is why I said we don't really see her regenerate after her transformation. I never disagreed on this point.
Second reason makes sense.
Is it really mental amped Naruto? Didn't he focus chakra in his hand or sumn. If that was so out of his abilities wouldn't he show some sort of surprise? He seemed pretty nonchalant about the fact that he cut off a character's arm that he couldn't even scratch before. That makes me think he expected to cut off her arm with a specific jutsu. Your second reason makes more sense to me.
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"Freaky ass ***** he a 69 god, Freaky ass ***** he a 69 god"
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Nah she’s called the literal Ten-Tails a few times so she’s a bit different from just being a jinchuuriki,
Mhm
I mean he and others have used mental amps before, it’s a mechanic of the power system, Haku first explains it to him when he “fights for someone or something he cares about he’ll have power beyond his normal capabilities, he even thinks about this during his fight with Gaara before releasing a huge amount of chakra that he’s not normally able to use.
So no Naruto wouldn’t be surprised about something he’s experienced before. And it’s not like it’s a hypothetical amp, he goes from not being able to damage her even when she’s off guard or using Boil Release to being able to cut off her arm in that moment, even seconds after he does hurt her he goes back to doing 0 damage when he drops 9 Rasenshurikens on her head that don’t do anything.
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He also knows about Isobu.
Yeah, and in there, he specifically states Gaara most likely has hidden powers.
"Beyond the work of Shinobi" doesn't even mean anything, anyway, it's clearly just stating their power is weird and wacky, unless we're meant to believe they're above Hiruzen.
Yes, but Kidomaru notes that if they hadn't gone all-out, they would have died.
That is a Kunai being thrown by an arm clashing with a single Senbon being spit from Genma's mouth to counter it.
Bro, Kakashi would have slaughtered them. They're overconfident.
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Why would she regrow her head out of her torso? Is her brain in her stomach or something?
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Weren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao
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- Regeneration consumes a massive amount of chakra. (Stated many times in-verse)
- Kaguya's body requires more chakra than Juubidara's to form.
- Kaguya was running low on chakra by the time Naruto cut her arm off, so it would take a while before it reforms. However, she can speed up the process by absorbing chakra from IT victims.
- Statements from Victor who grew his head back makes it clear that Juubi Jin (and Shinju) regeneration is better. Kaguya became one with the Juubi, better than other Juubi Jins.
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A bit late but Chino would probably be somewhere in the top 10, likely above kushina for fighting sasuke atleast
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No, you don't get it, they didn't say "since we got tired, we are now Chunin," so they must have still been at full power!
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From where?
From his battle in the forest where he was already partially transformed sure. And no it's not about his official match, that was covered in the previous page, meaning he only got this knowledge after assigning the A rank mission. Heck it even says Kakashi thought Sasuke would stalemate Gaara who he thought was A rank worthy, so if you're generous you could even argue CE CM1 Sasuke being borderline jonin level (at least with Chidori), letalone the CM2 S4.
He follows this up by saying you'll die if you fight them so clearly he meant power too and not just weirdness. He can just be basing on his experience, which doesn't include fights with Kage level people.
Fatigued Genma and Raido>CM1 S4 doesn't mean Fatigued Genma and Raido~CM2 S4, CM1 to CM2 is a HUGE difference
Considering it's infusing a weapon that's fodder on its own with chakra either way I don't think the method is that crucial.
I agree, I'm saying that even thought they don't know his full capabilities, they know he's an elite jonin. So they think that as a group they might be able to take on a high level jonin, and 4 chunin level characters absolutely wouldn't be able to do that. There are just so many avenues of getting the S4 to jonin level it's ridiculous to say them being low-mid jonin level isn't at least plausible.
Also Anbu point still stands. Base Kidomaru reacted to and tagged multiple people of the most elite rank of ninja.
1. Genma is a stronger jonin even if he's officially a special jonin
2. They did not stalemate whatsoever. That's like calling Jiraiya vs Pain a stalemate cause he beat 3 Paths and pressed Pain to use all 6
3. They definitely weren't at 0 chakra since they're still conscious and able to fight, but low
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Where would Kakashi know about the Three-Tails from? Well, I'm pretty sure they explained his backstory to him.
He says the mission itself was A-Rank. He says Gaara probably has powers still unknown to them. Kankuro hadn't revealed his abilities yet, so he was a wild card. Temari... was also there. There were enemies everywhere, including the stadium they started in.
Besides, A-Rank doesn't mean it would be difficult for a Jonin, fighting the Demon Brothers alone was enough to make the LoW mission a B-Rank iirc, and those guys aren't even low Chunin.
Who was he saying this to?
It's a 10x chakra multiplier, but the difference from 0% to 100% chakra is a much higher difference.
When did he infuse it with chakra?
I don't think they know how strong a high level Jonin is. Besides, weren't they talking about a surprise attack?
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id say prior to the war arc, with notable exceptions i always felt it was entirely possible for there to be really insane shinobi across all the villages but once we got the war arc and we finally saw all the other villages in action it was pretty decisive that the scales of power were heavily disproportional between the leaf and everyone else, sure some of them have their own Sasori of the red sand/ gold and silver brothers and other high profile ninja but for everyone of those theres like 10 leaf equivalents who arnt even the strongest ninjas of their time lol. and yeah i get that in the war arc its not entirely realistic to get to explore the long history of shinobi from a single village with one or two fights, and it makes double sense that the leaf would get explored the most given its the focus point of the series. but i think in situations like these having the characters interact with more of the other villagers before the war would have gone a long way in exploring them a bit more+ building up the pay off of them uniting.
which is something we prob would have gotten very early on in the series if not for the editors but ay.. just yapping here
which is something we prob would have gotten very early on in the series if not for the editors but ay.. just yapping here
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Honestly, Naruto should've been a thousand chapters. Not only could we get more powerful Shinobi from the other Villages, I also think we should've gotten detailed Hagoromo, Hamura, Ashura, and Indra backstories at some point, maybe partially from the Elder Toad during the Myoboku training(just some vague foreshadowing, like he was the greatest sage, the two had met, he traveled with his brother, and something they were fighting had put the world in danger).
Hell, there are so many characters I would have loved to see more of. For all the hype he got, we know so little about how Hashirama got so powerful. Is he a Slug Sage, or can Senju just do that? And on that note, what about Madara? What's his MS doing? Is it actually the time thing? Izuna's, too.
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Poor control can make his power fluctuate. Also aside jura I don't think the rest of them are like far above code. Eida statement cannot be interpreted as 1v1 until they show feats. Only jura seems a cut above the rest. till then they are just relative to Code . Also are forgetting hidari whopped her ass? She could chidori code exactly same way and he would whoop her ass after. It's even worse coz code is not gonna have tunnel vision and she might never land her chidori. Actually code would pummel her whether she can damage him or not
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we were gonna get a Part 3, but Kishi physically couldnt do it anymore.
a lot of the last, and the first boruto movie/gaiden were basically compressed versions of some of the ideas he had.
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His poor control is tied to Chidori. Which is because he doesn't have a sharingan. There is nothing that indicates that his durability should fluctuate.
Doesn't really matter if Hidari is above Code or relative to him. If you read my earlier replies and the reply you quoted you'd know that I was talking about Ada not even being relative to Code. Also, ain't nobody said anything about Hidari being "far above Code". Hidari is relative if not just above Code due to Eida's statement.
Bruh. At least read the comment you're quoting my guy.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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Off topic, I'm guessing she can't regrow her head or sumn then. At least we have no evidence for that being the case right? Unless you scale her above characters like Victor too.
It's pretty cool that there is an in verse explanation to mental amps. I always chalked it up to PIS. The more you know.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not. But if it is then lmao.
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It's canon. She was hungy.
But jokes aside, would the body not regrow out of her head?
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1. No one said the poor control affected his durability. I said it can make his power fluctuate which you admits it does with chidori.
2. Ada is far above code. She isn't just skilled in taijustu but her power is there. She is stated to surpass jigen and considering the mf is immune to all her hax there is nothing there to surpass aside combat abilities.
3. That's the issue. You didn't get my point. My point is sarada with chidori is not greater than hidari. She is just relative to him. Damaging someone doesn't make you above the person if the person can do vice versa. I'm just trying to play out that sarada would do sale with her chidori against Code but overall still loose and be below him.
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My guy we were talking about durability. Sparkle and I. Hidari is relative to Code (if not above) which means his durability should be relative. So Sarada's Chidori is above Hidari's physicals because she managed to hurt him. That's the discussion. It's about establishing what Sarada's chidori scales to.
What? What are you even talking about? How is Ada being above Jigen prove that her physicals are on WK Code's level? She has no such scaling. She only scales above Jigen who scales above Naruto. She has no scaling to put her above Uzuhiko level physicals.
Brother my conversation with Sparkle was not about Hidari vs Sarada. It was Sarada vs Ada. When I said her chidori is above Hidari, I was clearly trying to establish the fact that her chidori scales to the Uzuhiko calc.
My guy I wasn't arguing who would win between Sarada, Hidari, and Code. I was just establishing that Sarada's Chidori is above both of their physicals. The main discussion was about Sarada vs Ada. Nobody is delusional enough to think Sarada can for sure defeat Code and Hidari because she legit had to be saved against both of them. It's about their physicals because of the Uzuhiko calc.
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