He also knows about Isobu.
From where?
Yeah, and in there, he specifically states Gaara most likely has hidden powers.
From his battle in the forest where he was already partially transformed sure. And no it's not about his official match,
that was covered in the previous page, meaning he only got this knowledge after assigning the A rank mission. Heck it even says Kakashi thought Sasuke would stalemate Gaara who he thought was A rank worthy, so if you're generous you could even argue CE CM1 Sasuke being borderline jonin level (at least with Chidori), letalone the CM2 S4.
"Beyond the work of Shinobi" doesn't even mean anything, anyway, it's clearly just stating their power is weird and wacky, unless we're meant to believe they're above Hiruzen.
He follows this up by saying you'll die if you fight them so clearly he meant power too and not just weirdness. He can just be basing on his experience, which doesn't include fights with Kage level people.
Yes, but Kidomaru notes that if they hadn't gone all-out, they would have died.
Fatigued Genma and Raido>CM1 S4 doesn't mean Fatigued Genma and Raido~CM2 S4, CM1 to CM2 is a HUGE difference
That is a Kunai being thrown by an arm clashing with a single Senbon being spit from Genma's mouth to counter it.
Considering it's infusing a weapon that's fodder on its own with chakra either way I don't think the method is that crucial.
Bro, Kakashi would have slaughtered them. They're overconfident.
I agree, I'm saying that even thought they don't know his full capabilities, they know he's an elite jonin. So they think that as a group they might be able to take on a high level jonin, and 4 chunin level characters absolutely wouldn't be able to do that. There are just so many avenues of getting the S4 to jonin level it's ridiculous to say them being low-mid jonin level isn't at least plausible.
Also Anbu point still stands. Base Kidomaru reacted to and tagged multiple people of the most elite rank of ninja.
Weren't the TWO Special Jonin who stalemated ALL FOUR members of the Sound 4 ( who had to go all out ) literally at 0% chakra and exhausted from having just come back from a mission lmfao
1. Genma is a stronger jonin even if he's officially a special jonin
Genma is
able to fight Baki and Kabuto alongside Kakashi and Guy, Kabuto/Kakashi/Guy being Peak Jonin-Low Kage level, and Baki being the commander of the Sand combat unit, one of the strongest sand jonin, and superior to Hayate who's one of Konoha's best ninja, so idk still seems like Genma's mid-high jonin level. Might just be that him being a special jonin is cause his combat ability is jonin level but he lacks in some other aspect of being a jonin that we don't know of.
2. They did not stalemate whatsoever. That's like calling Jiraiya vs Pain a stalemate cause he beat 3 Paths and pressed Pain to use all 6
3. They definitely weren't at 0 chakra since they're still conscious and able to fight, but low
No, you don't get it, they didn't say "since we got tired, we are now Chunin," so they must have still been at full power!
