"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
I have never once in my life claimed 1-C Naruto. Well I understand your tactics you are trying to make it look like I'm arguing for an upscale without concrete evidence. Trying to make me look dumb like 4b naruto is such a no no. Do you, man
I don't read the series but knowing Kishimoto personally, I assume Sealing Jutsu or Momoshiki gets killed in a Soul battle.
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I understand that this would be an immense jump and that we would all prefer our metas be grounded in solid and sound argument, preferably irrefutable ones so it is not something anyone can walk in and pick apart and downgrade a whole tier down hence I'm understanding of you and others but "the most powerful ninjutsu" is one of the clearest ways to present a comparison to all shown before to serve as a highlight that the story's characters are truly getting stronger, not simply in individual villains but techniques, battle experience, strategies, something the story has always been doing from part 1 to pain arc to war arc and in Boruto so yes I do consider demanding more is indeed unreasoable, you probably prefer having a strong Tier 5 rating thats grounded in truth more than some Tier 4 jump thats loose so people take Tier 5 seriously which I respect, hence I wish to return to this topic later with greater arguments rather than having it dismissed early on
Uzuhiko agaiinn. When did Uzuhiko come out my friend? When have we been arguing for MAS? I will prove to them that you are lying. Hold on. No your interpretation of Uzuhiko does not make your argument valid.
You’re certainly free to hold that opinion
I don't think it being about their jutsu particularly means such statements are limited to them. The context of the page is more holistically just about Naruto and Sasuke being the pinnacle of strength. It individually calls both of them the strongest shinobi, Sasuke is stated to have the strongest dojutsu, they have the strongest war god, and then it's just adding on to that strongest narrative with them having the strongest ninjutsu.
Tbh I never really vibed with the Sagan standard since it's presupposing what is considered "extraordinary." Sure you could call it an extraordinary upgrade, but from just a pure scaling lens, one claim isn't more extraordinary than the other just for being higher
It is when the evidence for it isn't super clear cut.
this is a strawman and you know it
NO we are not doing this
P much what Ghost said
Then the problem isn't that it's an extraordinary claim, but that it's a shaky claim, in which case the whole extraordinariness thing, which is basically a step away from incredulity, is unnecessary anyways.
There's a reason I didn't quote Sparkle's post before making that statement. It was just a general statement directed at everyone who used that bit. Hence the "ya'll". Maybe read what I say carefully before going all "
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What ghost said is irrelevant.
Except it is. If ya'll want people to scale to the ETSB, it'll take more than what you currently have. Much more.
Below is a link for the MAS way before the introduction of Uzuhiko explanation that we currently have.You’re certainly free to hold that opinion
funny thing is I was gonna quote you either way because I did not use that nor did Samlex, then I went back and found it on Sparkle's commentThere's a reason I didn't quote Sparkle's post before making that statement. It was just a general statement directed at everyone who used that bit. Hence the "ya'll". Maybe read what I say carefully before going all "
this is a belief as well as a lazy way to dismiss the idea, a lot of the top tier metas we have got ignored and overlooked by people until someone piled it up together and shared it with everyone else, does not mean they did not exist prior, we just did not see it
Reread what I said. And canonically the TSO is ninjutdu and senjutsu as the databook says, my point was that it should be clear the distinction is more that its less of a ninjutsu and more senjutsu. It shouldn’t be compared like this and this is why ya discussing something unintentional by the page.
By the way guysss don't forget the unknown forces tooo because Boruto can also charge up as much as he want for those toooo.Below is a link for the MAS way before the introduction of Uzuhiko explanation that we currently have.
Majestic Attire Susano is FAR stronger than we thought
INTRO I’ve had this scaling in the tank for a while but I was too lazy to make it lol. This is my balls of steel 4B and Ftl+ God tier thread. I plead that you please read the arguments to understand and not just reply. If u have contentions or disagree I please ask that you explain why instead...vsbattles.com
Below is the link for Uzuhiko implementation
Boruto Rasengan Uzuhiko Implementation
Intro Recently, I made this accepted calc based upon the new information presented to us in the official Boruto WSJ website. This thread’s purpose is to discuss the validity of implementing this calc in scaling. If it’s deemed valid I will make an actual scaling thread afterwards to determine...
If you scroll through the pages in the first link guys you will see that no argument was indeed included for Uzuhiko. In fact the whole Uzuhiko being a cap literary just started.
Let go through the reason why this same Uzuhiko can not be a cap.
1. We know Boruto can charge up Uzuhiko as much as he wants right. He can absorb more or less energy
If Boruto can utilize the rotational orbital energy generated over a year, why can’t he harness more than a year’s worth of planetary spin energy? If he has the capacity to absorb energy from both sources, what exactly limits the amount he can accumulate?
In fact, if he can absorb energy equivalent to one year’s worth in a single charge, why not the rotational energy of two years or more? Hope you see what I'm saying here.
We have seen that he literally absorb as much or little as he want when was a cap ever put on it by the way the planet takes no damage when he absorbs all it rotational energy for a year don't ask me how, this is fiction. ( how can you take the whole rotational energy of a year? And use it in one attack
Hypothetically this is what should happen
1. With no orbital motion to balance the gravitational attraction, Earth would start falling inward. The acceleration due to gravity from the Sun would cause Earth to move faster and faster as it fell closer.
2. Eventually, Earth would fall directly into the Sun. Given its mass and size, Earth would be vaporized before even reaching the Sun’s surface due to the extreme heat in the solar corona (outer atmosphere of the Sun). The remnants of the planet would be absorbed into the Sun, merging with its matter.
Now that We have taken the effects of performing such a feat out of it because guess what? This is fiction. Why limit Boruto to only one year of orbital energy, why not half a year or even 100 years or a billion since Earth will keep orbiting even then?
I have read your comment correctly the first time, I haven't missed anything you are simply flat out incorrect, it's canonical description is that it is a ninjutsu, which means what type of jutsu it is isn't up for debate, it's already confirmed, I still reread it again as per your request and reaffirm my initial counter, it's incorrect.
ok this is actually a good point, if theyre arguing the planetary spin is charged up to hurt god tiers then absolutely nothing stops boruto from increasing his own ap either, especially since hes forcing himself to be glued to the floor
It was pretty reasonable to assume you meant what I said since I was the only one to mention the war god statement in the past few hours
Sureeeeee? I mean there's a reason I've never made an ETSB thread, but that's not really the point of what I was saying, which was just addressing the Sagan standard
So then you understand my point was never to say its not a ninjutsu right? I have been saying it is a ninjutsu but acting like it should be included in them for scaling is asinine. Comes from the alien race, utilizing all natures, only those who have awakened six paths powers can do it.
Even the normal Rasengan can blow off hidari arm not to talk of Uzuhiko lol. Boruto normal Rasengan > Hidari durability indeed. Regardless of Uzuhiko or not, without that regeneration tree Hidari would have bleed to death.
What is this argument again? Are you arguing the nature of the ninjutsu, why does that even matter?
"yes its ninjutsu but you see its a special ninjutsu" is a nothing burger comment
I'm saying the issue we have is that you're running with "says ninjutsu so tso included" would be resolved if ya contextualized what the tso is, its an alien ability and shouldn't be classified as normal ninjutsu and the story demonstrates this to us.
And then they run to quickly put a cap on the verse with flawed argument. SMH Man even before I saw that CRT about ETSO, in the span of minutes like 3 mods agreed. It almost like it was planned. They don't even reply to counters.
I don't mean to be ash but this argument is not it at all.
For one I used to be convinced with this statement lol, hell I used to be a 2-A, Low 2-C, 4-A, 4-C Naruto advocate since we're talking about scaling, so don't think I'm biased. And again, all jutsus do vary in scale, types and power, but what they don't vary in is origin. The TSO is specifically a jutsu only shown by those with six path powers.
And my point is that TSO is a six paths power which you somehow included that in Naruto and Sasuke and still missed the distinction I'm talking about.
it's so strange that a naruto power debate over something so simple can last THIS long simply because it upgrades naruto to a higher power level
1) you might as well say im a naruto fan but hes not even in tier 6 and it would not matter one bit
Because there isn't much inconsistency with some of those topics. And I love how you ignored more main point in the original comment.
This page is blatantly referring to how Susanoo is the strongest form of defense and how Kuruma, the strongest Biju, are being combined to make the strongest ninjutsu.
It literally does though? How we should be interpreting TSO isn't as just another ninjutsu just because it says so.
Take a look at the below? Why even acknowledge this if you would not give the rating?
TSO does not require being a regular ninjutsu to be included in statements regarding all ninjutsu
Yeah no, the strongest defence point is from a completely different statement than the strongest ninjutsu statement and it doesnt even imply mixing is what led to that result
What rating do you think suffices for this?
Lol what rating do you think?
