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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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forget sealing. even a simple kick from ishikki and it is over
HelloThere1089
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I have wondered about this on multiple occasions, stated as such too, and now just given up and accepted that Isshiki is just dumb like that. I get people not making the most out of their abilities like BM Naruto, but forgetting you have a one shot ability and never using it is indefensible.
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Never said they weren't?
Isshiki himself says he uses it on objects he has shrank.
Probably, yes. Whether he thought of doing it that way though is unknown.
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Are you asking why Isshiki didn’t throw Naruto and Sasuke in the timeless dimension?
HelloThere1089
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He never says that's the only thing he can store. And I gave you a link that states the jutsu itself allows him to store people.
Yes. Among other things.
Godernet
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I mean he was trying to get information out of them with his limited amount of time before he died which woulda been impossible if they were suspended in timeless space.
it was less of a fight to Isshiki and more about beating info out of fodder
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It's even crazier considering ishikki is the only otsusuki that was cool, collected and did not underestimate but compliment them immediately.
But I guess once he revived he just thought "naa this guys can't do anything"
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Well, for one, it’s hard to get information out of someone when they can’t speak. Then once Naruto went sicko mode with Baryon Mode, not like Isshiki would be able to tag him to do so anyway.
Ninja’d by net
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If the jutsu could just be used to instantly zap people to the timeless dimension then it'd be the worst writing ever for why he doesn't just do that.
Kawaki at least shows that he used a portal to send Naruto and Hinata there instead of just instantly transporting them there.
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i dont think the daikoten would been useful for ishikki at that moment outside of maybe sealing Boruto to use as a sacrifice later on
HelloThere1089
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Could you remind me what info he was looking for? Kawaki's location?
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he needs to open the portal to send living things into that dimension but he can send objects there via shrinking them but its the same dimension
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That's basically what I've been saying though.
Godernet
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yeah, so he wouldn't disintergrate.
he had a few hours left to live and needed Kawaki
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I also don't think he can just use his eye to send people there like other objects. I think damage is right and he has to use a portal. Coz like if that is the case he won't need to do anything. Just snip them there with his eye and GGThis is just straight up untrue
Boruto Database: Daikokuten | NARUTO OFFICIAL SITE (NARUTO & BORUTO)
Daikokuten Classification: Shinjutsu Wielder(s): Isshiki Otsutsuki, Kawanaruto-official.com
Daikokuten and shrinking are separate abilities.
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Daikowhatever just allows him access to the dimension. Sukonawhatever allows him to shrink and stuff.
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I mean, Isshiki seems to be a very arrogant person, he could have fought the baryon much better if he used his shrinkage but he preferred to fall cleanly into the punch against someone who was physically stronger than him, he didn't seem to want to permanently incapacitate the duo just long enough for him to put the karma on Kawaki.
HelloThere1089
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The portal is the jutsu. I doubt the normal otsutsuki portal will ever allow a transfer to the timeless dimension. Why the objects never require a portal could be because shrunken things require smaller portals.
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yeah but the opening the portal thingy to that dimension is called Daikokuten, its very confusing.
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Baryon mode was just too far above in speed. I believe the anime made it very clear. What i don't understand is how the kokugan could see ishikki life force but not see a kawaki clone had none. Unless maybe he never thought kawaki could use it and so never checked but it seems lazy to me
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Maybe clones also have identical life spans to the user
HelloThere1089
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Idk. I woulda sealed the 2 people who could ever threaten me, and then look for Kawaki by threatening other people from the village. Unless I'm forgetting some other restrictions.
Then what about Jigen.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Thanks for clarifying
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Bro expended 90% of his power just fighting Naruto and Sasuke. It’s not like he can effortlessly utilize his Otsutsuki powers as Jigen without severely nerfing himself.
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He could lead with it. N&S didn't even figure his ability out atp. Jigen literally wouldn't have had to fight anybody at all iirc.
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I mean they weren't threats to him at all until Nard used something Isshiki didn't know existed, and at that point, the Sealing wasn't going to catch BM Naruto.
I mean there was no guarantee Kawaki was in a place he would be able to find.
Also, we saw in the Pain Arc that the Leaf peeps would sooner all die and let the village get destroyed than sell out a Konoha resident, let alone the Hokage's adopted son.
what Arc said pm, he was also pretty confident in winning w/o it and still sealed Naruto when he wanted to.
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This is my opinion but I believe jigen can also do the same
HelloThere1089
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This is what I mean by dumb.
Torturing N&S would have never gotten him to Kawaki. Sensing Naruto's chakra in Kawaki was sheer luck on his part. He didn't plan for it.
Same goes for the Hokage and Sasuke.
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Against Naruto he just wanted to send him to another dimension and leave him there while he put the karma on Kawaki, he just didn't count on Sasuke being there, and after that he wanted to test the two in a fight, so much so that after the battle he tells Amado that he joked too much.
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I mean, we don't exactly know the requirements and details of the dimension. Maybe it takes a lot more chakra to access than regular dimensions. Maybe it takes a longer time leaving the user vulnerable.
HelloThere1089
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We have never been shown this to be true. Kawaki tried it on Boruto and then proceeded to fight him again. Even if we say it requires more chakra, if he leads with it, he wouldn't need to worry about fighting anymore. He can also use it while shrunken iirc.
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You were also never shown that I have a butthole but you don't think I can live without ******** right?
And he failed to use it on Boruto which kinda supports that it might take longer. Also Kawaki is a LOT more compatible with Isshikis abilities so just because Kawaki can access dimension easily doesn't mean Jigen can.
After all, Kawaki straight up has the kokugan while Jigen didn't.
Not as far as I remember but even then, that would just mean the portal would probably take longer to engulf Naruto
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W argument
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Rinnegan.
