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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

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Whichever version of Naruto is comfortably above light speed and country to continent level is the one that takes it. So like peak generosity for Naruto and less for Luffy would have him getting bodied by like KCM, whereas a more conservative Naruto and more generous Luffy would have him getting beat by So6P.
 
For me, I think it's primarily a speed issue. I think it's far easier to get Luffy to lightspeed and beyond than pre SP Naruto. However, for AP, I think it's easier to have "Bijuu" and higher caliber characters stronger (High 6-B and beyond) than it is for Luffy. So, it's like if you subscribe to the more "lightning timers" meta for the top tiers and non god tiers of Naruto, then it's kinda hard for Naruto to be doing anything in the realm of tagging someone 100s if not 1000s of times faster, and Luffy has non AP related ways of killing people.
 
in my case i dont have luffy 1000's of times faster but i do have him faster, i also dont really have Haki's bypassing dura being all that useful because i dont have most of his internal organs being massively below his exterior at least not his Kurama variants, theres also obviously regen.

It think Naruto's biggest issue prior to G5 is mostly just Haki precog which is gonna make any direct assaults hard to land, but i do think naruto has the AOE and crowd control to manage it. G5 brings its own issues that i dont think Kurama Link mode can easily handle.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
in my case i dont have luffy 1000's of times faster but i do have him faster, i also dont really have Haki's bypassing dura being all that useful because i dont have most of his internal organs being massively below his exterior at least not his Kurama variants, theres also obviously regen.

It think Naruto's biggest issue prior to G5 is mostly just Haki precog which is gonna make any direct assaults hard to land, but i do think naruto has the AOE and crowd control to manage it. G5 brings its own issues that i dont think Kurama Link mode can easily handle.
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What's your personal scaling for like G5 Luffy and KCM through Baryon Mode Naruto.
 
uhh like KCM 2 and G4 Luffy at country level with higher into country to continent level with their strongest attacks

G5 Luffy is like Multi cont to moon level and six paths naruto is higher into moon level to small planet, his adult versions prob just stack onto this, being higher into small planet to planet level if you want take the direct scaling of Toneri's final attack. and then baryon mode is also a degree higher than that.

in terms of speed i think Luffy is faster than any naruto until we get into the adult era where i think the gap gets smaller until we at something like Baryon Mode.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
uhh like KCM 2 and G4 Luffy at country level with higher into country to continent level with their strongest attacks

G5 Luffy is like Multi cont to moon level and six paths naruto is higher into moon level to small planet, his adult versions prob just stack onto this, being higher into small planet to planet level if you want take the direct scaling of Toneri's final attack. and then baryon mode is also a degree higher than that.

in terms of speed i think Luffy is faster than any naruto until we get into the adult era where i think the gap gets smaller until we at something like Baryon Mode.
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So G5 is like blitzing and one shotting pm anyone that's weaker than SP Nard
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
For me, I think it's primarily a speed issue. I think it's far easier to get Luffy to lightspeed and beyond than pre SP Naruto. However, for AP, I think it's easier to have "Bijuu" and higher caliber characters stronger (High 6-B and beyond) than it is for Luffy. So, it's like if you subscribe to the more "lightning timers" meta for the top tiers and non god tiers of Naruto, then it's kinda hard for Naruto to be doing anything in the realm of tagging someone 100s if not 1000s of times faster, and Luffy has non AP related ways of killing people.
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Naruto and Luffy should be relative in speed, personally I have them both Ftl+ especially sage Naruto. The Kakashi Novel highlights a Jounin who uses something similar to Lightning blade to smash a bolder and it moved at LS. Then the shinobi ranking system says he'd be below an anbu then Naruto can blitz the asura path which a Anbu couldn't react to.
 
Raiden_Azno said:
Naruto and Luffy should be relative in speed, personally I have them both Ftl+ especially sage Naruto. The Kakashi Novel highlights a Jounin who uses something similar to Lightning blade to smash a bolder and it moved at LS. Then the shinobi ranking system says he'd be below an anbu then Naruto can blitz the asura path which a Anbu couldn't react to.
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Idk if I agree with FTL+ SM Naruto. Given that KCM > SM, and excluding his body flicker technique, KCM Naruto was more or less very relative to lightning cloak Ay, who if you’re decently charitable with is like hovering around light speed. And idk if I really agree with FTL+ Luffy either given that Kizaru can be pretty competitive with Luffy and Kizaru just blatantly uses light speed attacks.
 
Raiden_Azno said:
Naruto and Luffy should be relative in speed, personally I have them both Ftl+ especially sage Naruto. The Kakashi Novel highlights a Jounin who uses something similar to Lightning blade to smash a bolder and it moved at LS. Then the shinobi ranking system says he'd be below an anbu then Naruto can blitz the asura path which a Anbu couldn't react to.
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Where's the statement about a jonin using a LS technique?
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Idk if I agree with FTL+ SM Naruto. Given that KCM > SM, and excluding his body flicker technique, KCM Naruto was more or less very relative to lightning cloak Ay, who if you’re decently charitable with is like hovering around light speed. And idk if I really agree with FTL+ Luffy either given that Kizaru can be pretty competitive with Luffy and Kizaru just blatantly uses light speed attacks.
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Do you think there's a big difference between V1 and V2 lightning cloak?
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Do you think there's a big difference between V1 and V2 lightning cloak?
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Not really, at least not a beyond 10x speed amp. For 1) the lariat is the technique that’s got the light like speed/near light speed statement right, so it’s not even inherently that every single technique or movement he performs is light speed, and 2) if we are keeping with the more generous speed meta interpretations there’s a Minato light speed statement (Shadow has it, I translated it, it’s real, I think it’s probably hyperbolic but we’re presupposing that isn’t the case here), and given the whole Minato >= Ay narrative, it seems to be consistent that Ay would be closer to light speed than not.

Edit: that statement is for Hokage Minato too.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Not really, at least not a beyond 10x speed amp. For 1) the lariat is the technique that’s got the light like speed/near light speed statement right, so it’s not even inherently that every single technique or movement he performs is light speed, and 2) if we are keeping with the more generous speed meta interpretations there’s a Minato light speed statement (Shadow has it, I translated it, it’s real, I think it’s probably hyperbolic but we’re presupposing that isn’t the case here), and given the whole Minato >= Ay narrative, it seems to be consistent that Ay would be closer to light speed than not.

Edit: that statement is for Hokage Minato too.
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Are you saying LS = Minato~>V2 Ay>V1 Ay (w/Lariat)<~LS?

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Shadowbokunohero said:
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Can u send pls 🙏
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Are you saying LS = Minato~>V2 Ay>V1 Ay (w/Lariat)<~LS?
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I’m not going to make any specific claim on the exact specifics of Ay Minato scaling cuz I don’t think it’s relevant to my point. My point is that I don’t believe Ay being like 10x faster than Hokage Minato makes sense/is consistent or even implied by the story.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
All the more reason then for SM Naruto to not be FTL+ lol. Since it's Hokage Minato with that statement.
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I'd rather not make any concrete judgements without seeing the exact statement but I don't think SM Naruto is FTL anyways (I think he's probably around Relativistic)
 
MinatoSparkle said:
I'd rather not make any concrete judgements without seeing the exact statement but I don't think SM Naruto is FTL anyways (I think he's probably around Relativistic)
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The Yellow Flash of the Leaf

The absolutely inescapable light-speed blade, who fires off brilliant and radiant techniques on the battlefield. That dazzling title was once the common name of the Fourth Hokage.
 
Rewatching shppuden and NGL I hated to character during the kage summit. I know it made sense for his development but after pain arc which was so good it felt kinda.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
The Yellow Flash of the Leaf

The absolutely inescapable light-speed blade, who fires off brilliant and radiant techniques on the battlefield. That dazzling title was once the common name of the Fourth Hokage.
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Ehhh tbh I think you can interpret this as meaning Jonin Minato since it refers to his war time nickname and exploits during the 3rd War. Especially since it uses past tense pretty explicitly in the sentence calling him the Fourth Hokage.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Ehhh tbh I think you can interpret this as meaning Jonin Minato since it refers to his war time nickname and exploits during the 3rd War. Especially since it uses past tense pretty explicitly in the sentence calling him the Fourth Hokage.
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ok 👌 we already agree on the SM Naruto not being FTL+ so I’m not going to bother commenting on what you said
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
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Any Nard post Six Paths comfortably wins that imo

I feel like G5 Luffy vs KCM2 SM Nard is a good fight tho. Both in the Mid to high tier 6 metas with light speed arguments

Luffy is definitely faster here but I don’t see Luffy being able to put down Naruto before G5 runs out and Luffy’s just a crippled old man for a bit.
 
Naruto’s Rasengan progression is Crazy tbh…
  1. Rasengan
  2. Vermillion Rasengan
  3. Odama Rasengan
  4. Wind-Style Rasengan
  5. FRS
  6. FRS (Thrown)
  7. Cho-Odama Rasengan
  8. Rasengan Barrage
  9. Multiple Cho Odama Rasengan Barrage
  10. Multi-Rasengan Combo’s w/ Chakra Arms
  11. Mini-FRS
  12. Mini-TBB Rasengan
  13. TBB
  14. Super Charged TBB
  15. Relentless TBB
  16. FRS Barrage
  17. Cho-Odama FRS
  18. Cho-Cho Odama FRS
  19. Lava Style FRS
  20. Magnet Rasengan
  21. Tailed Beast Bomb FRS
  22. Tailed Beast Bomb FRS Barrage
  23. Super Tailed Beast FRS
  24. Cho-Cho Odama TBB/Rasengan Shuriken Barrage (Vs Indra Arrow)
  25. Rasengan: Flash
  26. Cho-Cho Odama Rasengan
Ichigo Could Never
 
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