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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Just Realized Naruto has both experienced being a man and woman while also experienced kissing both a men and women. lol
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SlendVeny said:
Wait, no, Preta Path basically killed itself by eating his chakra
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Yeah and he tried a few more things on him. Basically my point is that ninjutsu absorption doesn't mean you can't be creative. In fact a character that relies on it can be fooled using that against him. Which Adult Naruto himself tried (Jigen) but then never did it again. Most of the tricks used against ninjutsu absorption these days are used by Sasuke. While Naruto's tricks mainly revolve around the fact that he can endlessly pump chakra into his rasengan.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Yeah and he tried a few more things on him. Basically my point is that ninjutsu absorption doesn't mean you can't be creative. In fact a character that relies on it can be fooled using that against him. Which Adult Naruto himself tried (Jigen) but then never did it again. Most of the tricks used against ninjutsu absorption these days are used by Sasuke. While Naruto's tricks mainly revolve around the fact that he can endlessly pump chakra into his rasengan.
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What's he going to do though? He's stronger than half of them, and the rest can counter anything he does.
 
SlendVeny said:
What's he going to do though? He's stronger than half of them, and the rest can counter anything he does.
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That's what creativity is for. I can come up with strategies but they'll all be fanfics. His fight against Kaguya was also similarly hopeless. But his temperament of trying out tricks regardless of if they'll work or not was still present there. While in Boruto, Naruto is much more risk averse and only does creative stuff if he knows they'll work out. Naruto isn't as reckless as he was which has inevitably made him less creative too. Heck he had a good trick going that he never used again because he prolly thinks Jigen will counter it. A lot of misdirection (that builds upon the stuff he did in the Jigen fight) could have been done on Isshiki.

Even in the strategies Adult Naruto does use you can see that they are much more shallow than his teen ones. His strategies as a teen used to have multiple layers but as an adults they are pretty shallow for example, he knew that him pumping chakra into his Rasengan would stall Jigen. And what does he do with that idea? Doesn't build layers on to it at all and just let's Sasuke stab him when Jigen can't move. That's just getting a surface level idea of how to counter an ability and just trying it out instead of including it in a multi layered plan.

If you've ever played Chess you might get what I'm saying. I don't know if I explained it well.
 
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NeoKingOfLight said:
How’s this combination stack against MAS then? Where Kawaki uses his Karma to amplify Boruto’s Karma/Jutsu.
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I don't remember how this works but at first glance you could argue it's a 2x boost. So it should be enough to damage MAS. Problem is peak Boruto not being able to sustain Karma. And by peak I mean current Boruto. If you wanna use flashforward Boruto then sure this could work depending on how this unison works.

Edit: Hold up. Scratch that. I forgot MAS is a 3x boost. In which case idk if this can damage MAS.
 
Who do y'all have between Sasori vs Deidara during the Pain Arc? Honestly, I think the debate is pretty contentious, even with the statement Deidara gives about him being weaker than Sasori.
 
Deceived3596 said:
Who do y'all have between Sasori vs Deidara during the Pain Arc? Honestly, I think the debate is pretty contentious, even with the statement Deidara gives about him being weaker than Sasori.
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Wdym during the Pain Arc? Neither were even alive at that point. Anyways Sasori probably slams, he has way higher scalings like above Rasa who arguably scales to WA Gaara and >Chiyo~Hanzo>Base Jiraiya
 
HelloThere1089 said:
That's what creativity is for. I can come up with strategies but they'll all be fanfics. His fight against Kaguya was also similarly hopeless. But his temperament of trying out tricks regardless of if they'll work or not was still present there. While in Boruto, Naruto is much more risk averse and only does creative stuff if he knows they'll work out. Naruto isn't as reckless as he was which has inevitably made him less creative too. Heck he had a good trick going that he never used again because he prolly thinks Jigen will counter it. A lot of misdirection (that builds upon the stuff he did in the Jigen fight) could have been done on Isshiki.

Even in the strategies Adult Naruto does use you can see that they are much more shallow than his teen ones. His strategies as a teen used to have multiple layers but as an adults they are pretty shallow for example, he knew that him pumping chakra into his Rasengan would stall Jigen. And what does he do with that idea? Doesn't build layers on to it at all and just let's Sasuke stab him when Jigen can't move. That's just getting a surface level idea of how to counter an ability and just trying it out instead of including it in a multi layered plan.

If you've ever played Chess you might get what I'm saying. I don't know if I explained it well.
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What's a way he could build on the Rasengan pump? Wrap his chakra arms around it? Kick him?

Furthermore, a lot of what he did against Kaguya was just not going to work against someone like Isshiki. Plus, a solid portion of the Kaguya fight was a group of 5 supporting each other. For the record, the strategies he used were:

1. Clash with Kaguya to give Sasuke an opening to cut her. Seemingly didn't work on a much stronger enemy. Go figure.
2. Sasuke distracts her with Amaterasu, Naruto uses Reverse Harem, Naruto punches her, they go for the seal. Doesn't work against an opponent like Isshiki, who has crippling erectile dysfunction.
3. Amp stats while trapped, surprise punch, clone army, send one clone after Kaguya to trick her into stepping back into the clone army after she runs, while convincing her yet another clone is him. Doesn't work on a far stronger opponent that can beat the army, plus he doesn't have TSOs anymore to trick people.
4. Get pissed, go berserk, and start ripping her apart with raw power, before Sasuke hits her, then clone himself and use 9 Rasenshurikens. This doesn't work against a guy that can shrink or absorb chakra.
5. Rush Kaguya alone. Sasuke stopped him. However, to my knowledge, that was a ruse. Instead, he disguised himself as Sasuke, both him and a clone jumped Kaguya at once, and Kaguya targeted the clone first because Naruto was stronger, then Kakashi saved Naruto from getting impaled, then Sasuke swapped in and both tried to hit her with the seals. This plan only worked because of the seals, and it still would have failed if Sakura, who Kaguya had underestimated, hadn't hit Kaguya in her blind spot.


His tactics in that fight were mostly centered around tricking Kaguya into hitting the wrong target or taking a hit, and he was only able to do so much because she canonically just stood still half the battl
 
Westcoast5005 said:
Baryon mode life steals right?
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Too bad it's really trash tier

Form was so plot convenient in not only being asspulled out of nowhere, but having a life span draining ability directly tied to Isshiki's remaining 3 days. Couldn't have made it some super broken shit like one punch=thousand years and the one rasenshuriken is like 10x that

Let's be real the form is really only used in debates for the stats boost

Literally nothing else

What a waste of a decent design
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
Too bad it's really trash tier

Form was so plot convenient in not only being asspulled out of nowhere, but having a life span draining ability directly tied to Isshiki's remaining 3 days. Couldn't have made it some super broken shit like one punch=thousand years and the one rasenshuriken is like 10x that

Let's be real the form is really only used in debates for the stats boost

Literally nothing else

What a waste of a decent design
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Still wish they said "every hit halves the target's remaining lifespan" or something.
 
SlendVeny said:
What's a way he could build on the Rasengan pump? Wrap his chakra arms around it? Kick him?
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Again, any strategy I mention would be deemed fanfic but sure:
1. Make tons of clones, as many as he made against Kaguya, to distract Jigen.
2. Send one to gather NE, enough for an Asura Avatar level amp.
3. Tell Sasuke his strategy.
4. Get the NE from his clone.
5. Activate Boil Release for physical amp so that he doesn't get manhandled.
6. Corner Jigen in the air.
7. Make more clones.
8. Use the largest Rasengan pump (using NE) for the first time in the air.
9. Sasuke disguised as Naruto's clone uses the confusion and Amenosumn to cut Jigens arm off at least (this should work if Jigen is caught off guard. The only reason he teleported away when Sasuke tried to stab him is because he was looking straight at the sword. He admits he couldn't move swiftly and only escaped via portals which are not that fast).

This is way more complicated than it needs to be. Naruto could have at least used 4 of these steps (specific ones) at once and I would have been satisfied. This doesn't even need to succeed. Adult Naruto with more experience should be able to come up with plans like this on the fly even if they are unsuccessful. Heck, he couldn't even replace his kids with his shadow clones during the Delta fight. He should've been able to transform the clones into his kids while his actual kids escaped the field.
SlendVeny said:
Furthermore, a lot of what he did against Kaguya was just not going to work against someone like Isshiki. Plus, a solid portion of the Kaguya fight was a group of 5 supporting each other. For the record, the strategies he used were:

1. Clash with Kaguya to give Sasuke an opening to cut her. Seemingly didn't work on a much stronger enemy. Go figure.
2. Sasuke distracts her with Amaterasu, Naruto uses Reverse Harem, Naruto punches her, they go for the seal. Doesn't work against an opponent like Isshiki, who has crippling erectile dysfunction.
3. Amp stats while trapped, surprise punch, clone army, send one clone after Kaguya to trick her into stepping back into the clone army after she runs, while convincing her yet another clone is him. Doesn't work on a far stronger opponent that can beat the army, plus he doesn't have TSOs anymore to trick people.
4. Get pissed, go berserk, and start ripping her apart with raw power, before Sasuke hits her, then clone himself and use 9 Rasenshurikens. This doesn't work against a guy that can shrink or absorb chakra.
5. Rush Kaguya alone. Sasuke stopped him. However, to my knowledge, that was a ruse. Instead, he disguised himself as Sasuke, both him and a clone jumped Kaguya at once, and Kaguya targeted the clone first because Naruto was stronger, then Kakashi saved Naruto from getting impaled, then Sasuke swapped in and both tried to hit her with the seals. This plan only worked because of the seals, and it still would have failed if Sakura, who Kaguya had underestimated, hadn't hit Kaguya in her blind spot.


His tactics in that fight were mostly centered around tricking Kaguya into hitting the wrong target or taking a hit, and he was only able to do so much because she canonically just stood still half the battl
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Nobody is saying Naruto should have used the same tactics against Isshiki as he used against Kaguya. That would be the opposite of being creative.
 
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HelloThere1089 said:
Again, any strategy I mention would be deemed fanfic but sure:
1. Make tons of clones, as many as he made against Kaguya, to distract Jigen.
2. Send one to gather NE, enough for an Asura Avatar level amp.
3. Tell Sasuke his strategy.
4. Get the NE from his clone.
5. Activate Boil Release for physical amp so that he doesn't get manhandled.
6. Corner Jigen in the air.
7. Make more clones.
8. Use the largest Rasengan pump (using NE) for the first time in the air.
9. Sasuke disguised as Naruto's clone uses the confusion and Amenosumn to cut Jigens arm off at least (this should work if Jigen is caught off guard. The only reason he teleported away when Sasuke tried to stab him is because he was looking straight at the sword. He admits he couldn't move swiftly and only escaped via portals which are not that fast).

This is way more complicated than it needs to be. Naruto could have at least used 4 of these steps (specific ones) at once and I would have been satisfied. This doesn't even need to succeed. Adult Naruto with more experience should be able to come up with plans like this on the fly even if they are unsuccessful. Heck, he couldn't even replace his kids with his shadow clones during the Delta fight. He should've been able to transform the clones into his kids while his actual kids escaped the field.

Nobody is saying Naruto should have used the same tactics against Isshiki as he used against Kaguya. That would be the opposite of being creative.
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Okay first of all this strategy would be useless for the first part of his fight where they knew none of his abilities as jigen shrinking would just make this nigh impossible. Now when sasuke had a bearing of it then sure they can begin strategizing.
1. This is a good strategy and he kinda did the shadow clone distractionn already. Unlike kaguya jigen can literally one shot all of them at once with his rods.
2. Here is the thing, I'm not even fully sure he can absorb nature energy well as they are in a different dimension, a dimension which did not even have an atmosphere and I'm not sure it was even a survivable planet so him absorbing nature energy would require him using sasuke portal which would drain sasuke chakra but I'm going to assume he can do that on the other dimension. Why would he at that point? It's not like karma one jigen was outclassing them. They were actually keeping up pretty fine and the only major issue were the rods. They found a way to corner him right after and he only managed to escape. Logically KA naruto and Perfect susanoo sasuke are both stronger than v1 jigen individually so considering they were together they definitely saw no reason for asura avatar. Heck that's why they did not even use MAS. Also for the asura avatar jigen can quite literally touch any point of the avatar and absorb the chakra if mmo can directly absorb kurama chakra from naruto's body.
 
karo_senpaii said:
Okay first of all this strategy would be useless for the first part of his fight where they knew none of his abilities as jigen shrinking would just make this nigh impossible. Now when sasuke had a bearing of it then sure they can begin strategizing.
1. This is a good strategy and he kinda did the shadow clone distractionn already. Unlike kaguya jigen can literally one shot all of them at once with his rods.
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No. I mean distract Jigen enough so that the shadow clones that collect NE can hide. If Jigen one shots them after then it doesn't matter. The whole distraction is just so that Naruto can place clones to collect NE.
karo_senpaii said:
2. Here is the thing, I'm not even fully sure he can absorb nature energy well as they are in a different dimension, a dimension which did not even have an atmosphere and I'm not sure it was even a survivable planet so him absorbing nature energy would require him using sasuke portal which would drain sasuke chakra but I'm going to assume he can do that on the other dimension. Why would he at that point? It's not like karma one jigen was outclassing them. They were actually keeping up pretty fine and the only major issue were the rods. They found a way to corner him right after and he only managed to escape. Logically KA naruto and Perfect susanoo sasuke are both stronger than v1 jigen individually so considering they were together they definitely saw no reason for asura avatar. Heck that's why they did not even use MAS. Also for the asura avatar jigen can quite literally touch any point of the avatar and absorb the chakra if mmo can directly absorb kurama chakra from naruto's body.
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The NE is to make a huge Rasengan. That's all. And so that he doesn't get manhandled. I didn't mention making an Asura avatar. Just similar amount of chakra so that Naruto can create a proportionally bigger Rasengan without depleting his chakra reserves since he's also simultaneously making shadow clones and using boil release.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Again, any strategy I mention would be deemed fanfic but sure:
1. Make tons of clones, as many as he made against Kaguya, to distract Jigen.
2. Send one to gather NE, enough for an Asura Avatar level amp.
3. Tell Sasuke his strategy.
4. Get the NE from his clone.
5. Activate Boil Release for physical amp so that he doesn't get manhandled.
6. Corner Jigen in the air.
7. Make more clones.
8. Use the largest Rasengan pump (using NE) for the first time in the air.
9. Sasuke disguised as Naruto's clone uses the confusion and Amenosumn to cut Jigens arm off at least (this should work if Jigen is caught off guard. The only reason he teleported away when Sasuke tried to stab him is because he was looking straight at the sword. He admits he couldn't move swiftly and only escaped via portals which are not that fast).

This is way more complicated than it needs to be. Naruto could have at least used 4 of these steps (specific ones) at once and I would have been satisfied. This doesn't even need to succeed. Adult Naruto with more experience should be able to come up with plans like this on the fly even if they are unsuccessful. Heck, he couldn't even replace his kids with his shadow clones during the Delta fight. He should've been able to transform the clones into his kids while his actual kids escaped the field.

Nobody is saying Naruto should have used the same tactics against Isshiki as he used against Kaguya. That would be the opposite of being creative.
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By the time Jigen switched to V2 they sure as well did not think dude would straight up be so above them all of asudden. See most of your strategy relies on the fact that they come in thinking they are weaker than jigen but here is the scary thing about the guy. kaguya and momo who they faced in the past like to show off and boast(in momo's case) which includes flaunting his amount of power and chakra for both sasuke and naruto especially to guage how great a threat he is or becoming, and in kaguya case she just almost never hides her chakra and they could clearly sense how ridiculous she was compared to them not to mention the ridiculous warnings hag gave. My guy jigen here deels on a 24/7 chakra erased type shit. They could never at any point guage his power in jigen body. Heck the power house ishikki itself could just straight up hide and be dormant. So I don't blame them for seeing the v1 jigen, being able to match him without their strongest forms and seeing him go v2 with no way of guaging his full power and be like well our avatars can probably take him. Jigen just cleared their expectstions and they realised far too late. look at naruto expression when they demolished susanoo. The jutsu stuff I can see your point. There probably would have been a way to strategise and hit him but is it really worth the risk? It's like them still tring to use ninjutsu against momo, they did not unti l thry found a way for him not to absorb. Also jigen is so much more faster than both of them both on land and air that it would most likely not work
 
HelloThere1089 said:
No. I mean distract Jigen enough so that the shadow clones that collect NE can hide. If Jigen one shots them after then it doesn't matter. The whole distraction is just so that Naruto can place clones to collect NE.

The NE is to make a huge Rasengan. That's all. And so that he doesn't get manhandled. I didn't mention making an Asura avatar. Just similar amount of chakra so that Naruto can create a proportionally bigger Rasengan without depleting his chakra reserves since he's also simultaneously making shadow clones and using boil release.
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won't jigen not just shrink and absorb the rasengan? we already saw the big use of rasengan , it did not work even while he was in v1
 
karo_senpaii said:
By the time Jigen switched to V2 they sure as well did not think dude would straight up be so above them all of asudden. See most of your strategy relies on the fact that they come in thinking they are weaker than jigen but here is the scary thing about the guy. kaguya and momo who they faced in the past like to show off and boast(in momo's case) which includes flaunting his amount of power and chakra for both sasuke and naruto especially to guage how great a threat he is or becoming, and in kaguya case she just almost never hides her chakra and they could clearly sense how ridiculous she was compared to them not to mention the ridiculous warnings hag gave. My guy jigen here deels on a 24/7 chakra erased type shit. They could never at any point guage his power in jigen body. Heck the power house ishikki itself could just straight up hide and be dormant. So I don't blame them for seeing the v1 jigen, being able to match him without their strongest forms and seeing him go v2 with no way of guaging his full power and be like well our avatars can probably take him. Jigen just cleared their expectstions and they realised far too late. look at naruto expression when they demolished susanoo. The jutsu stuff I can see your point.
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They actually did corner V2 in the air. A couple of more layers would have been enough. Infact when Sasuke switched, Jigen was about to absorb Naruto's Rasengan. Naruto could have used that moment to stall Jigen while Sasuke hit his neck from the back. That extra layer of distraction would have been helpful.
karo_senpaii said:
There probably would have been a way to strategise and hit him but is it really worth the risk?
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I did mention this in my earlier comment. Adult Naruto is more risk averse.
karo_senpaii said:
won't jigen not just shrink and absorb the rasengan? we already saw the big use of rasengan , it did not work even while he was in v1
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In V1 he had to use portals which are not that fast. He himself admitted that he can't move well in that situation. A few misdirections and he would've been killed at the spot. No chance of going V2.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
They actually did corner V2 in the air. A couple of more layers would have been enough. Infact when Sasuke switched, Jigen was about to absorb Naruto's Rasengan. Naruto could have used that moment to stall Jigen while Sasuke hit his neck from the back. That extra layer of distraction would have been helpful.

I did mention this in my earlier comment. Adult Naruto is more risk averse.

In V1 he had to use portals which are not that fast. He himself admitted that he can't move well in that situation. A few misdirections and he would've been killed at the spot. No chance of going V2.
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hitting jigen neck from back would have resulted in same thing, he would have blocked with his rods. IT was only that once they had a chance and I suspect jigen was already reaching his limit so he was already weaker . actually if they had knowledge that ishikki puts a strain on jigen they could have stalled and maybe won

Yeah adult naruto thinks more than teen naruto ad does not take as much risk

that's my point. They used the big rasengan strategy and it did not work. They even got that far coz they used it while he shrank. If he was big, he won't even do all that. And jigen is extremely smart. Once you fail once that trick ain't working twice. Also, Immediately he went v2 that plan became impossible
 
karo_senpaii said:
hitting jigen neck from back would have resulted in same thing, he would have blocked with his rods. IT was only that once they had a chance and I suspect jigen was already reaching his limit so he was already weaker . actually if they had knowledge that ishikki puts a strain on jigen they could have stalled and maybe won
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No. Jigen can be caught off guard. The point of hitting the back is that Sasuke wouldn't be infront of Jigen where he can anticipate his attack. Instead Jigen would be busy absorbing Naruto's huge Rasengan and Sasuke can sneak attack him from the back. Sasuke has previously caught Jigen off guard with his kicks.
karo_senpaii said:
That's my point. They used the big rasengan strategy and it did not work. They even got that far coz they used it while he shrank. If he was big, he won't even do all that. And jigen is extremely smart. Once you fail once that trick ain't working twice. Also, Immediately he went v2 that plan became impossible
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It failed because Sasuke was in Jigens like of sight. In fact Jigen was looking straight at his sword. Jigen already mentioned that it was difficult for him to move while absorption. So a plan that centers around catching him off guard should have worked because that's what plans are for. They had him on 2 separate occasions and lost because their plans were too shallow. Which is my point. Jigen is not some omniscient being that knows everything and can see everything. He can definitely be fooled. Sasuke and Naruto didn't use nearly as complex as the plans they used to in Shippuden.
 
karo_senpaii said:
1. This is a good strategy and he kinda did the shadow clone distractionn already. Unlike kaguya jigen can literally one shot all of them at once with his rods.
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Actually, Kaguya was also slaughtering them, numbers didn't work on her, and the Gravity Dimension devastated them.
 
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