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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

 
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KingogKings777 said:
Okay I think I got most of the profiles that had energy values on them to the following.

Here are the profiles I couldn't get changed cause they locked.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki_(Part_I)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki_(Part_II:_Pre-War_Arc)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki_(Part_II:_War_Arc)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki_(New_Era)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sasuke_Uchiha_(Part_I)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sasuke_Uchiha_(Part_II)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Obito_Uchiha
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Itachi_Uchiha
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Madara_Uchiha

At the start of the week.
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Oh shit, thank you! Unfortunately I can't unlock profiles, but maybe Ant can do it when he sees this.
 
You'd think it'd be common courtesy to not shotgun staff with CRTs, this way you can get adequate and appropriate evaluations. But who knows, maybe that's just me.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Mrks having courtesy? Absolutely Barbaric


Who needs that when you can just yes or no from tired staff
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fetchimage
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
jojo-torture-dance.gif
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
I mean, not the most solid source in the world, and certainly wouldn't supersede the manga, but it's fine ig.
Anyway, what does it actually say? Cause I've seen a lot of the raws for the Sannin statements, and most of them pretty much say that the three of them are held in the same esteem, or occupy the same rank, things along these lines. Basically, it speaks to their status as the Sannin, rather than being a power thing necessarily. At least from what I've seen for the most part.
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今回は自来也、綱手と並び“伝説の三忍”と称えられるほどの力を持ちながら

This time, along with Jiraiya and Tsunade, he has the power to be hailed as the "Legendary Sannin".

P sure the 1st DB Jiraiya~Orochimaru statement is just WoG
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I know you weren't or well, I was 95% sure at least. the other 5% was pure hopium lol. But that's just my point, these statements can be contorted in any way you want to mean whatever you wanna argue. Without knowing Kishimoto's intent and inner thoughts, you can't really prove much one way or another. So we go with the simplest interpretation that requires the least leaps in logic. I remember your arguments from the Bijuu thread well, and the fact that you needed to type out, like, the second longest portion of your post after Minato's to justify your argument should be a great indication that it's not the simplest conclusion we can reach here.
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WA Orochimaru slams WA Tsunade sadly
Yea and imo FP P1 versions is the simplest interpretation. Also more consistent with outside scaling.

Or it shows how much evidence there is for it 🤷‍♂️
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I remember. We decided to make a compromise to move things along, which was to add that "Orochimaru wasn't all that concerned about Nard until he reached KN4", or something along those lines iirc. While that is true, it really doesn't mean a whole lot on its own. Orochimaru is arrogant as hell, and I can pull several examples of him not being very "concerned" about someone, only for him to get absolutely shat on later lol. It also doesn't change that we only see him get physically outclassed by Naruto, and absolutely nothing else. A punch that did zero damage doesn't change that fact.
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Also Armless Oro>BoS Sasuke via the databook, who's >>3T Naruto.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
As for speed, I don't see the relevance this even has to the discussion. Most of these people scale to the same level of speed, more or less, and speed isn't really always linear in a 1:1 fashion with AP. So, yes, Orochimaru can be in the same speed tier as KN4, while still getting his shit kicked in by him in terms of physical strength.
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Cause Armless Orochimaru scaling overall in the same tier as Naruto would include speed.

Hard disagree on that one, there's some big ass speed cliffing in the series. Base WA Guy is MKCM Naruto level and the Gates amp you by dozens of times, but the weakest Juubidara is casually dodging all his attacks
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Also, bringing up him surviving the Bijuu dama is funny. We know for a fact that he would've died had he been hit by it directly, he said so himself after all. He used the Rashomon gates (which are summoned objects that have zero bearing on Orochimaru's own durability) to eat up most of that blast, or at least a significant portion of it.
Like, yeah, Orochimaru was able to "fight" KN4 and "hang with him", but the fact of the matter is that he's much weaker physically, which is why he doesn't scale to him.
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Ninjutsu is part of one's overall ability
 
Base Naruto (Last) being Unknown literally hurts me

Also the reasoning for Code being “wary” of Naruto after being weakened should be change via website cause Everytime I click on it there’s an error
 
BlackeJan said:
Base Naruto (Last) being Unknown literally hurts me

Also the reasoning for Code being “wary” of Naruto after being weakened should be change via website cause Everytime I click on it there’s an error
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Actually why is it unknown? Why isn't he At least as strong as his Shippuden base form? Even VSBW shouldn't have trouble accepting that
 
An idea I had is make Hagoromo powerup Base Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke (physically) Low 5-B+ since they each received half of Hagoromo's power. Sasuke's jutsus still scale to 5-B (to SPSM Naruto). The explanation is that the Hagoromo Chakra they receive is mixed in their base form. What pushed them to 5-B is the additional power ups they receive alongside Hagoromo's, Naruto got a whole new transformation powered by the Chakra of all 9 tailed beast (a 2x amp is reasonable), Sasuke got a whole new eye.

IIRC Sasuke doesn't really have good physical feats on his own without jutsus, only being slightly above Base Naruto, all the instances of Sasuke damaging SPSM Naruto in their final fight is always with jutsu (the fireball and the chidori to the face), or with the Susano'o.
 
Itachi (Composite Akatsuki “Including Oro”) vs Kashin Koji (Composite Kara). If Base Stats were Equal, who comes out on top?

Note: Don’t factor in Itachi’s Sickness or Jigen’s inferiority.
 
MeiouHades said:
Actually why is it unknown? Why isn't he At least as strong as his Shippuden base form? Even VSBW shouldn't have trouble accepting that
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His base would be far stronger then any of his transformation besides his SPSM given his best feat in the last was tanking an explosion that also dmg the moon which is more impressive then even his KCM2 feats
 
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