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Yeah, I don't think Alan Jia's gonna be happy about this line of thought.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Surpassing someone in talent =/= surpassing them in speed, or necessarily even being comparable to them.
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hiruzen in his childhood is NOT above tobirama this clearly has nothing to do with stats
Godernet
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yeah, that's just not what Sasuke is saying here.They Dont "Expand" from their shrunken size, they get restored instantly, there is no pushback because there is no speed here, its just an instant restoration to their normal size
if we take the non instant interpretation, then you would have to cope that not only is this statement false, But that Jigen can expand the rods while their inside naruto and sasuke and cause damage, which would mean he could have Reverse-Vored them, expanding until they literally explode (he can enlarge them to kurama sizes so theres no size copium)
For one the word instant is meant to describe something coming in an incredibly short amount of time, not coming in 0 time at all.
Also, it makes no difference whether he restores them or they slowly grow, if they can't get past the atomic spatial barrier prior to being expanded, then the restoration would push the rod further from Gojo as it takes up more space because there is still pressure being exuded by Limitless outside of the "getting slower the closer you get" effect.
You would need to prove that the word instantly in this case means that they restores at an infinite speed.
And if this Sasuke statement is all you have, it's almost 100% just saying that it shrinks and restores objects in an incredibly short amount of time.
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He leaves him behind with his greater skill. In order to show his skills in a possible match, he needs to be able to keep up with his speed.
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I missed this
but adding kabuto to the list
why would the gokage get this scaling? madara toyed with em, none of the gokage were scaled to Ay previously, and if they do get, it'll reach characters like deidara and sai via ohnoki and you prob know where the issue heads to
I think there is a statement saying even sasuke's sharingan can't perceive Ay's V1 state so he realistically shouldnt get it tbh
I might put the crt out by today since I'm done outlining things, just need to put scans in
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realizing how big of a change that previous bijuudama thread has caused, I'm very hesitant in being involved in the next one tbh. frankly I've lost interest. only reason why I decided to give input is bc speed revisions won't come in a long long time so I thought I would give my input bc it'd be unfair to say "speed is being worked on" when frankly it isn't lol. AP still needs to be finished first speed hasn't even been touched yet afaik.
but clearly people have issues with the repercussions of this last thread and I partly feel bad because I was the first person who agreed with it, even though the logic within the CRT was sound it seems like it'll cause a bigger mess and I don't wanna be involved anymore than I have to. if the thread drops and it happens to be unanimously agreed amongst everyone (it won't) then maybe I'll give my input but I think I'll butt out of it
but clearly people have issues with the repercussions of this last thread and I partly feel bad because I was the first person who agreed with it, even though the logic within the CRT was sound it seems like it'll cause a bigger mess and I don't wanna be involved anymore than I have to. if the thread drops and it happens to be unanimously agreed amongst everyone (it won't) then maybe I'll give my input but I think I'll butt out of it
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Yeah no. Literally same words they use to describe flying raijin. We are not going to be shifting the goalpost.
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Don't worry about it Nierre. Something can be fine in a vacuum while having larger consequences no one can expect. I'll drop my own thread on it in a few days.
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Ohnoki, Gaara and Mei react to his attacks in various ways
I doubt deidara blitzed ohnoki so this should be of no consequence to him
He straight up evades A4's elbow thrust and countered with Chidori. I'm pretty sure it's a justification on Sasuke's profile
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I’m sure if you really looked, you could find many jutsu, or abilities in fiction that are described as working instantly.
That’s also not why Flying Raijin is considered Teleportation, it’s considered teleportation because we’re verbatim told it’s a space time ninjutsu that teleports you to places where marks are placed.
Also that’s not what Goal Post moving is.
Goal post moving would be if we accepted Flying Raijin as teleportation solely because it’s “instant.” And didn’t do so for Sukunahikona’s shrinking.
Please stop misusing that phrase.
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What's happening with speed?
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that's okay
his attacks didnt really go all out per say, so we cant really say they reacted to FP madara
for sasuke there's this statement taking it away
when sasuke later on evades ay and thrusts in him, it was a bait
he evades amaterasu which relies on perception speed
sasuke reacts to his later attack with amaterasu, which is more of a perception speed feat
reaction requires movement
so at best it'd be mhs+ upto FTL reactions with Amaterasu
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question: how does boruto's rasengan work? how strong is it?
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Seems like a really simple question
Stronger then his punches, he can throw it and it turns invisible, it can damage you internally like all rasengan.
Das bout it.
Did you mean rasengan uzuhiko?
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Boruto Uzumaki
Boruto Uzumaki is a shinobi from Konohagakure's Uzumaki clan, the son of the Seventh Hokage Naruto Uzumaki and Hinata Hyūga. Initially, after his father became Hokage while he becomes a genin under Konohamaru Sarutobi alongside Sarada Uchiha and Mitsuki, Boruto resented his father for not having...
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God that took so f***** long to make, tap in pls
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I have some disagreements but I'll get to that within the thread itself
Yeah, but same story as above
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MinatoSparkle
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Is it just me or did Ghost's message evaporate into thin air?
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I deleted thinking it would just jam more messages pushing the crt up leaving lesser people to see and join the thread, anyways my fingers hurt from allat typing and researching ima play doom till the crt fills up with responses
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No, I'm not misusing any phrase. The shrinking and restoration part of the ability has always been described as instant via isshiki or Kawaki using a simple glance. Now on the other hand I don't disagree with the spuning aspect of the justu itself since that part has always been described as travelling.
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I was arguing the restoration more so was instant, we see jigen shrink things without them being instant, he never restores something at a speed that's visible to the viewer tho, also he can just spawn his rods and stuff at locations? Like they don't always come out of his hands especially for isshiki sometimes they just spawn above him or something
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the word instant doesn't mean "something traveling a distance in 0 time."
instant means to happen in an absurdly short amount of time, or to happen immediately.
If we go based on definitions of the word, it doesn't mean infinite speed, you would need more proof than that.
restoring something at a speed perceivable to the viewer still falls under the idea that it's just absurdly faster than most people in the verse can react to.
Which is the real definition of Instantaneously anyway.
"done, occurring, or acting without any perceptible duration of time"
So yeah, Sukunahikona is much much faster than a lot of the characters, but it's not restoring objects at infinite speed just because Sasuke and the Databook said it's instantaneous.
every fictional or novel universe would have infinite speed if we took a word that grammatically can be broken down to instantaneous-like to mean moving a certain distance in 0 time.
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XSOULOFCINDERX
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What is this dude yapping about?
MinatoSparkle
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Bruh why did all my imgur posts get privated and say requested page can't be found when I click on em
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Been thinking, but we’re definitely gonna get one of these three from Mitsuki in some form or fashion, aren’t we?
- “He’s faster/stronger than Boruto!”
- “He’s just as fast/strong as Boruto!”
- “He’s not as fast/strong as Boruto!”
KaydeeX
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on both of y’all soul we’re gonna see konohamaru use monkey sage mode next chapteron NeoKingOfLight's soul we're gonna see MItsuki pop off next chapter
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No limiters Kawaki is the only guaranteed thing.
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I think it's more about the durability/defence negation property than infinite speed
His argument is that Isshiki doesn't expand the objects back to original, rather just warps it back to it's original size without any expansion.
This should realistically negate durability and defences since the object takes a portion or even all of the same space where the opponents body is positioned. Hence sukuna hikona has a spatial manipulation attribute as well.
Edit: It's also possible the 'spatial manipulation restoration' is actually Daikokuten mixed into the sukuna hikona
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I never said it restored it at a speed perceivable to the viewer, I said the exact opposite, I've never seen it expand from being small to it's normal size, it seems like jigen just disenchants it like a Minecraft enchatment
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Ok so we’re saying that it is finite speed just immensely fast to perceive but that it’s a spatial enchantment and disenchantment, thats a bit generous but sure that’s fine for now.
It would still run into the problem of neutral limitless being a Barrier that manipulates space at an atomic level.
Atomic Spatial Barrier > instantaneous manipulation of an objects size using regular spatial manip.
It’s the same reason why characters with durability down to an atomic level can’t be dura negged by attacks that work on a cellular level.
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yes i ment uzhiko.
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Is Gojo’s Barrier “Physical” or “Theoretical”? Meaning is the “effect” of Limitless what creates the barrier around him or is there a “tangible” invisible barrier around him that when it comes into contact with something, the effect triggers?
If that makes sense…
If that makes sense…
