Testarossa002
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"Lee was a wasted potential"
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Kishimoto literally said he doesn't know how to write women, and Oda can write women, he just can't draw them. Kubo's good, all his characters are freaky little goblin people.
Naruto fans spend way too much time coping and going "Boruto isn't canon in my mind"
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Lee: "Wasted potential"
Anyone else in his position: "Fraud"
For the record, there's wasted potential for like 90% of characters. Is Lee one? Ye. Is that a huge problem? Nah.
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not this dumb debunked narrative again, brother YOU are being the 'naruto fans' in question that you're complaining about
Kishi is above the other two based off of not turning his FCs into overly sexualised objects
most naruto female characters are all cool with great narratives, tsunade, chiyo, konan, kaguya etc
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Pipe down, bro, it's a common criticism, but it's the most accurate of them.not this dumb debunked narrative again, brother YOU are being the 'naruto fans' in question that you're complaining about
Just looking at the Shinigami, we got Rukia, Unohana, Senjumaru, Soifon, Nanao, a couple Visored, and several more.
Idk why you felt the need to do this, I don't think Naruto's inherently worse than other series, it factually has flaws.
Like, Kishimoto has well-written examples, there's just a specific negative trend.
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Never understood how Kishi doesn’t know how to write women? 
I mean… It’s literally not that hard. Like he could’ve even finessed women stereotypes and still been good. There really isn’t “much” difference between men and women beyond stereotypes and misogynistic views for the purposes of writing.
We all do the same dumb shit at times and stress about the same dumb shit. Just change XYZ factors and boom!
I mean… It’s literally not that hard. Like he could’ve even finessed women stereotypes and still been good. There really isn’t “much” difference between men and women beyond stereotypes and misogynistic views for the purposes of writing.
We all do the same dumb shit at times and stress about the same dumb shit. Just change XYZ factors and boom!
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Yeah, it's really not that difficult, beyond your standard "writing any character with depth is actually really hard btw" difficulty that most people don't really think about.Never understood how Kishi doesn’t know how to write women?
I mean… It’s literally not that hard. Like he could’ve even finessed women stereotypes and still been good. There really isn’t “much” difference between men and women beyond stereotypes and misogynistic views for the purposes of writing.
We all do the same dumb shit at times and stress about the same dumb shit. Just change XYZ factors and boom!
HelloThere1089
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If I had to choose from each tho ..
Naruto: Tsunade
Bleach: Unohana or Yoruichi
One Piece: Nico Robin (I'm on ep 240 or sumn so might change)
Btw none of them have female characters as well written as their male counterparts so no point in arguing (Haven't caught up to OP tho). Read newer manga for that tbh. Or ones that aren't shonen (Black Lagoon, Ghost in the Shell, etc).
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Yeah... it do kinda be like that... but it do probably be less like that with time.
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My favourite one is people pretending that their fav side character should be as relevant as Naruto and Sasuke
I see ppl call Tenten wasted potential but Idk how much else to explain to them that there wasn't any potential to be wasted there
Her first fight was an off screen loss and she was just a hype man for Neji
Its fine to like a side character for their design and personality, doesn't mean they'll automatically become relevant nor does it make the series bad when they STAY a side character
You ask ppl to list their fav characters in Shippuden and its all side characters but they'll slander Kishi's "handling of side characters" in the same breath its hilarious
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manga is more consistent quality wise overall but its a case to case thing
kazekage rescue arc is absolutely awful in the anime, but the anime handles Hinata's sacrifice, Shikamaru grieving much better in contrast,but then again sakura's character is assassinated in the anime.
its kinda hard to compare them because of how different they are as mediums, outside of maybe grading how good of an adaption the anime is, which is only useful to contrast and doesnt say much about it as a piece of work for people who only experience the anime, which is the majority of how people experienced naruto.
in terms of individually, id say they both pretty great. the anime in particularly alongside Bleach are prob some of the most important and influential anime of the 21st century, pioneering and popularizing industry wide changes that would be adopted not only in other anime but animated films, it also cultivated and birthed some of the greatest animators who's influence can be felt in a lot of the high quality modern seasonal stuff.
but for my money, if you care purely about the story then ill always suggest going with the source material.
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It's a terrible excuse of criticism, almost always debunked by simply reading the manga
and no cherrypicking a handful of women that arent sexual objects with boobs bigger than onigashima doesnt solve bleach's oversexualisation issue
coincidentally the characters you named mostly are bland characters with pitiful narratives, aside rukia and unohana (girls who are either sidelined or killed early) have no depth or notable personality, candace sucks, bambi sucks, lilloto sucks, I dont even remember the name of the pink haired girl
naruto can have flaws but that isn't an excuse to straight up lie about issues it doesnt suffer from
that's not criticism, it's dishonest downplay
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also shonen dont generally need to focus on female characters either way since they're targeting male audiences
HelloThere1089
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Tbh I was gonna agree with your comment that Bleach doesn't really have well written women (at least not that better than Naruto aside from powerscaling purposes). But...
This is a horrible rationale.
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Damn these profiles are filled with broken links
MinatoSparkle
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Said animation along with the incredible soundtrack clears the manga advantages I fear
I somewhat agree, but I think the anime often tells the story better, or at least in a more moving way
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Yeah.... If all you're doing is watching highlights
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you know that one filler soundtrack from naruto? that's what most episodes tend to feel like when they're slow paced.
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Kishimoto can definitely write female characters well. I think specifically what he meant by he can't write them is just in the sense that some of the female related stuff he feels very awkward about doing them hence for example why he really praised ikemoto on how he does for sarada.
So karo if that's the case why is there not that much good female characters in bleach?
It's simple, he wasn't interested in females all that much so he wrote less of them. Like all the waste away female characters in Naruto were just irrelevant to the story. You can't say tsunade, Sakura, Hinata, kushina to mention a few are good female characters and turn around and say he can't write well.
Also when i hear people say Naruto did not do side characters well I get so confused coz what they should be saying is "konoha 12 " and not side characters
So karo if that's the case why is there not that much good female characters in bleach?
It's simple, he wasn't interested in females all that much so he wrote less of them. Like all the waste away female characters in Naruto were just irrelevant to the story. You can't say tsunade, Sakura, Hinata, kushina to mention a few are good female characters and turn around and say he can't write well.
Also when i hear people say Naruto did not do side characters well I get so confused coz what they should be saying is "konoha 12 " and not side characters
MinatoSparkle
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Nah I've watched all of Naruto up to the start of the War Arc (wouldve watched that too if Netflix had itYeah.... If all you're doing is watching highlights
) and watched the War Arc multiple times via reactions and the anime as a whole is peak
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HelloThere1089
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Naruto fans when a SIDE character doesn't 1. get an entire arc dedicated to them, 2. abruptly shifts focus of the story, and 3. have the relevance similar to the main characters: Wasted potential!!!
Most well written stories treat their side characters as tools to write an intricate story, and not the other way around.
MinatoSparkle
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Good in the Chunin Exams
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Yeah, seeing Neji brutalize her was pretty good iclGood in the Chunin Exams
Testarossa002
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"Boruto forgot about the old gen" and they proceed to mention Kiba and TenTen
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Hey, buddy..... Get the 9th Hokage's name out of your damn mouth!
MinatoSparkle
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Those characters aren't oversexualized, boobs exist irl, believe it or not.
You brought up KAGUYA.
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Ghost literally can't help himself but to bring up Bleach in a thread specifically about Naruto.
HelloThere1089
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Best depiction of a DC or speed feat in Naruto/Boruto
Questions: 1. Best depiction of a DC or AP feat on screen 2. Best depiction of a DC or AP feat semi on screen or off screen 3. Best depiction of a speed feat on screen 4. Characters that have the best ones 5. Feats that are in non canon materials that you wish were canonized. Rules: 1. The...
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With Sammy boy gone who else is going to bring up other verses?
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shibaishibaishibai
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I'll admit I was comparing Big 3 fanbases, but I just deeply don't care enough to argue sincerely about this topic. I've, of course, been coerced into doing so, however.
HelloThere1089
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Bro thinks he's Nagato
KaydeeX
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“You need to be taught what pain is”Bro thinks he's Nagato
guess who was screaming next panel
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There's a popular theory that Code's an Uzumaki, and if it's true, then his ancestors are indeed rolling in their grave. Bro's giving them such a bad rep.Bro thinks he's Nagato
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From a Japanese perspective she is a typical female there so she's okay
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