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Naruto speed upgrade
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You're implying it, and again you're not understanding why he suggested it. It wasn't without a purpose dude.
Where exactly did you provide other feats for Onoki or Kage of a similar level that are rated at Sub-Rel to Sub-Rel+? You need to establish some level of consistency here.
Where exactly did you provide other feats for Onoki or Kage of a similar level that are rated at Sub-Rel to Sub-Rel+? You need to establish some level of consistency here.
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What's Onoki's speed feat?
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Fine.
No then.
Firstly, context. Zany and Spino said the math was good. Zany outright said that he couldn't view the video to check the feat itself. Just that the math was good. Math being good =/= feat being accepted. Taka rejected everything but the last one too.
Furthermore, the thing is blocked for me too.
No then.
Firstly, context. Zany and Spino said the math was good. Zany outright said that he couldn't view the video to check the feat itself. Just that the math was good. Math being good =/= feat being accepted. Taka rejected everything but the last one too.
Furthermore, the thing is blocked for me too.
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Tata rejected, yes, but I've already explained the context of the cuts for him. All of this mess is because of the cuts, that I've already explained. If you want to see the video, I can provide to you.
There is no other thing that can invalidate the calc, just the cuts, and again, I already explained to him
There is no other thing that can invalidate the calc, just the cuts, and again, I already explained to him
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@Cal
It's blocked for me too, just as a reference.
It's blocked for me too, just as a reference.
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I've disagreed from the start. It relies on Toneri's speed which is being downgraded in another thread.
For Pain's speed, that too now has a thread by damage where it is being downgraded.
For Pain's speed, that too now has a thread by damage where it is being downgraded.
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>for pains calc,if the calculated time frame is 0.6 seconds why would you use 0.5?just asking
but i agree
>for your calc with the last,i totally disagree
first feat,i got no comment on that
second and third feat are obviously wrong,you can't debend on your sense to say that the metreor that at that scene is the same as the one who landed
it even shows more metreor far far away from it and yet they havn't enterd the earth's atmosphere
and as tata explained,there is a cut in the scene
which makes cinimatic timing useless,again you can't make headcanons to say that it's the same metreor and the same timing but a cut in the scene isn't a proplem cuz it's must be the same time in ur opinion
unless u want to make a new rule for cinimatic timing in this wiki,it's useless no matter what
the fourth feat..worst of all
i assume that the math is fine with the distance between the earth and metreor
but assumed time frame one second?seriously
10 seconds for high end would be more responsible..
for the second half
But the meteor needs to cover the entire distance between the Earth and the Moon, so 349900000 meters. We dont have the timeframe, but two meteors come to Earth in 20 to 22 seconds. I will use 25 as a lowball.
idk how are u calculating to different speeds for the same metreor but that isn't the proplem
that's wrong for two reasons
time frame
25 seconds isn't lowball..it's wank
the time frame isn't trustfull at all,cuz you can't make high assumed time frames if the feat hadn't shown to be too fast like mimihagi feat from bleach
in this case,we didn't see when nor where did this metreor come from the moon
and you can't say that this metreor should scale to other two metreos that came to earth at 22 second's "although it's wrong" but the time frame that you think it's 22 secnds via cinimatic timing,isn't for their whole trip moving from moon to earth
the first shot of both of them is around earth in space
distance
you do realise that the moon was moving towards earth for many days?so by the end of the movie,using the 350k km as a distance is totally wrong
well,if we are going to use the accepted calc,the distance between moon and earth was around 30k km at that time
but i agree
>for your calc with the last,i totally disagree
first feat,i got no comment on that
second and third feat are obviously wrong,you can't debend on your sense to say that the metreor that at that scene is the same as the one who landed
it even shows more metreor far far away from it and yet they havn't enterd the earth's atmosphere
and as tata explained,there is a cut in the scene
which makes cinimatic timing useless,again you can't make headcanons to say that it's the same metreor and the same timing but a cut in the scene isn't a proplem cuz it's must be the same time in ur opinion
unless u want to make a new rule for cinimatic timing in this wiki,it's useless no matter what
the fourth feat..worst of all
i assume that the math is fine with the distance between the earth and metreor
but assumed time frame one second?seriously
10 seconds for high end would be more responsible..
for the second half
But the meteor needs to cover the entire distance between the Earth and the Moon, so 349900000 meters. We dont have the timeframe, but two meteors come to Earth in 20 to 22 seconds. I will use 25 as a lowball.
idk how are u calculating to different speeds for the same metreor but that isn't the proplem
that's wrong for two reasons
time frame
25 seconds isn't lowball..it's wank
the time frame isn't trustfull at all,cuz you can't make high assumed time frames if the feat hadn't shown to be too fast like mimihagi feat from bleach
in this case,we didn't see when nor where did this metreor come from the moon
and you can't say that this metreor should scale to other two metreos that came to earth at 22 second's "although it's wrong" but the time frame that you think it's 22 secnds via cinimatic timing,isn't for their whole trip moving from moon to earth
the first shot of both of them is around earth in space
distance
you do realise that the moon was moving towards earth for many days?so by the end of the movie,using the 350k km as a distance is totally wrong
well,if we are going to use the accepted calc,the distance between moon and earth was around 30k km at that time
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If the artist doesn't care about physics guess we can't use the feat then since we don't know Naruto's physics.Rocker1189 said:
Regardless I think this whole meteor thing is flat out wrong.
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@Sekkonds
Funny how you only rely on "You can not prove that the meteor in the scene is the same as it fell on Earth" This is totally ridiculous. We see pieces of moon falling on Earth, then show them hitting villages and etc. They are the same, who have to prove they are not, it's you.
and as tata explained,there is a cut in the scene
which makes cinimatic timing useless,again you can't make headcanons to say that it's the same metreor and the same timing but a cut in the scene isn't a proplem cuz it's must be the same time in ur opinio
It does not matter if there is a cut in the scene, I'm tired of explaining why it does not influence the calculation. You must be acting blind. And there is no headcanon here, only you implying with random thing, it becomes ridiculous
the fourth feat..worst of all
i assume that the math is fine with the distance between the earth and metreor
but assumed time frame one second?seriously
10 seconds for high end would be more responsible..
I'm not going to change the timeframe just because you want to. We had reason to use that. A long time ago this same calculation was accepted using 1 second, and now it was again, by 3 different CG members.
idk how are u calculating to different speeds for the same metreor but that isn't the proplem
that's wrong for two reasons
You do not even understand what you read or see. I calculated two different feats, I used two methods. I calculated the feat with this same meteor, using a scene closer to Earth, and then I calculated that same meteor traveling the total distance.
time frame
25 seconds isn't lowball..it's wank
the time frame isn't trustfull at all,cuz you can't make high assumed time frames if the feat hadn't shown to be too fast like mimihagi feat from bleach
in this case,we didn't see when nor where did this metreor come from the moo
and you can't say that this metreor should scale to other two metreos that came to earth at 22 second's "although it's wrong" but the time frame that you think it's 22 secnds via cinimatic timing,isn't for their whole trip moving from moon to earth
the first shot of both of them is around earth in space
It's not wank, it's lowball. Wank is what you do with another franchise. It does not matter if the feat does not seem to be so fast, this is irrelevant. Most meteors crossed all that distance in about 20 to 22 seconds, using 25 is a complete lowball. I will not even comment on the rest of this
distance
you do realise that the moon was moving towards earth for many days?so by the end of the movie,using the 350k km as a distance is totally wrong
well,if we are going to use the accepted calc,the distance between moon and earth was around 30k km at that time
You are so dishonest that you lie about the real distance between the moon and the earth. But that does not work for those who have the least brainpower. The calculated distance applies only to the end of the movie. As the scene shows, we see Naruto fighting on the moon, which only occurs at the end of the movie.
Funny how you only rely on "You can not prove that the meteor in the scene is the same as it fell on Earth" This is totally ridiculous. We see pieces of moon falling on Earth, then show them hitting villages and etc. They are the same, who have to prove they are not, it's you.
and as tata explained,there is a cut in the scene
which makes cinimatic timing useless,again you can't make headcanons to say that it's the same metreor and the same timing but a cut in the scene isn't a proplem cuz it's must be the same time in ur opinio
It does not matter if there is a cut in the scene, I'm tired of explaining why it does not influence the calculation. You must be acting blind. And there is no headcanon here, only you implying with random thing, it becomes ridiculous
the fourth feat..worst of all
i assume that the math is fine with the distance between the earth and metreor
but assumed time frame one second?seriously
10 seconds for high end would be more responsible..
I'm not going to change the timeframe just because you want to. We had reason to use that. A long time ago this same calculation was accepted using 1 second, and now it was again, by 3 different CG members.
idk how are u calculating to different speeds for the same metreor but that isn't the proplem
that's wrong for two reasons
You do not even understand what you read or see. I calculated two different feats, I used two methods. I calculated the feat with this same meteor, using a scene closer to Earth, and then I calculated that same meteor traveling the total distance.
time frame
25 seconds isn't lowball..it's wank
the time frame isn't trustfull at all,cuz you can't make high assumed time frames if the feat hadn't shown to be too fast like mimihagi feat from bleach
in this case,we didn't see when nor where did this metreor come from the moo
and you can't say that this metreor should scale to other two metreos that came to earth at 22 second's "although it's wrong" but the time frame that you think it's 22 secnds via cinimatic timing,isn't for their whole trip moving from moon to earth
the first shot of both of them is around earth in space
It's not wank, it's lowball. Wank is what you do with another franchise. It does not matter if the feat does not seem to be so fast, this is irrelevant. Most meteors crossed all that distance in about 20 to 22 seconds, using 25 is a complete lowball. I will not even comment on the rest of this
distance
you do realise that the moon was moving towards earth for many days?so by the end of the movie,using the 350k km as a distance is totally wrong
well,if we are going to use the accepted calc,the distance between moon and earth was around 30k km at that time
You are so dishonest that you lie about the real distance between the moon and the earth. But that does not work for those who have the least brainpower. The calculated distance applies only to the end of the movie. As the scene shows, we see Naruto fighting on the moon, which only occurs at the end of the movie.
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We see pieces of moon falling on Earth, then show them hitting villages and etc. They are the same, who have to prove they are not, it's you.
there are literally thousands of different metreors that are closer to earth than those mftl metreors
It does not matter if there is a cut in the scene, I'm tired of explaining why it does not influence the calculation. You must be acting blind. And there is no headcanon here, only you implying with random thing, it becomes ridiculous
the one who is acting blind here is you,this is cinimatic timing
just because in your personal look this was just showing what's hapening on earth without time cut,doesn't mean shit
This can be looked at from different perspectives
again,his is cinematic time and this is vsbattels wiki "unless you want to make a new rule"
repeating shit doesn't prove any thing..naruto doesn't have to get a special treatment
You are so dishonest that you lie about the real distance between the moon and the earth. But that does not work for those who have the least brainpower. The calculated distance applies only to the end of the movie. As the scene shows, we see Naruto fighting on the moon, which only occurs at the end of the movie
iam a dishonest liar?iam sorry
but it seems that you didn't get my point at all or you just ignored it
my point is that the moon was moving towards earth for more than 4 straight days,and this feat was at the 5th night
so you can't at all use the distance between the real earth and moon
and i didn't say that we have to use the calculated distance at the end of the movie,but both events are by the end of the movie and at the same night with the convergence of their times
there are literally thousands of different metreors that are closer to earth than those mftl metreors
It does not matter if there is a cut in the scene, I'm tired of explaining why it does not influence the calculation. You must be acting blind. And there is no headcanon here, only you implying with random thing, it becomes ridiculous
the one who is acting blind here is you,this is cinimatic timing
just because in your personal look this was just showing what's hapening on earth without time cut,doesn't mean shit
This can be looked at from different perspectives
again,his is cinematic time and this is vsbattels wiki "unless you want to make a new rule"
repeating shit doesn't prove any thing..naruto doesn't have to get a special treatment
You are so dishonest that you lie about the real distance between the moon and the earth. But that does not work for those who have the least brainpower. The calculated distance applies only to the end of the movie. As the scene shows, we see Naruto fighting on the moon, which only occurs at the end of the movie
iam a dishonest liar?iam sorry
but it seems that you didn't get my point at all or you just ignored it
my point is that the moon was moving towards earth for more than 4 straight days,and this feat was at the 5th night
so you can't at all use the distance between the real earth and moon
and i didn't say that we have to use the calculated distance at the end of the movie,but both events are by the end of the movie and at the same night with the convergence of their times
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I feel like some supporters here are biased in their beliefs. They're quick to agree with "sub-relativistic" meteors in free-fall, despite them depicted being nowhere near as fast as the unreasonable suggested speeds, and having pathetic results from direct impact due to KE that doesn't correlate with the supposed speeds because, and I quote, " because real life follows physics and does not have artist who does not care about said physics. "
Yet these same people have no problem with basically all of tier 5 Naruto coming from real life physics, specifically using kinetic energy. Moon level Obito comes from using kinetic energy via the god tree. 5-B Naruto originates in Hagoromo and his brother creating the moon, then the Sage moving it into orbit, another kinetic energy calculation using real physics. There's also no issue with using Sage Madara's feat of dropping several chibaku tensei, which also uses KE, or Toneri moving the moon.
Yet these same people have no problem with basically all of tier 5 Naruto coming from real life physics, specifically using kinetic energy. Moon level Obito comes from using kinetic energy via the god tree. 5-B Naruto originates in Hagoromo and his brother creating the moon, then the Sage moving it into orbit, another kinetic energy calculation using real physics. There's also no issue with using Sage Madara's feat of dropping several chibaku tensei, which also uses KE, or Toneri moving the moon.
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@Callsign
Don't start that. I can turn it around and say that u just want this downgrade just because u don't like Naruto at all. See where that will lead to? Imo I'm still trying to see why does Toneri have anything to do with the meteors falling down to earth towards to Kages
Don't start that. I can turn it around and say that u just want this downgrade just because u don't like Naruto at all. See where that will lead to? Imo I'm still trying to see why does Toneri have anything to do with the meteors falling down to earth towards to Kages
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Well..while my argument is based on facts and observation (logic), that argument is based on flawed opinion and sensitivity. You don't know anything about me to assume what I do and do not like.
Also, the answer to your question is in the OP:
"For Onoki, as he flew side by side with the meteors
Speed: At least Sub-Relativistic+ (Flew side by side with some meteors, wich can go at this speed)
And the others ninjas just need to change the rating and add "Can react to this meteors" for both Gaara and Mei."
Also, the answer to your question is in the OP:
"For Onoki, as he flew side by side with the meteors
Speed: At least Sub-Relativistic+ (Flew side by side with some meteors, wich can go at this speed)
And the others ninjas just need to change the rating and add "Can react to this meteors" for both Gaara and Mei."
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That's...that's not what I'm trying to do here is what U think yur thinking. I'm saying that by what u said can easily be turned around and say something similar to what u just said. I'm just trying to make sure a shitstorm doesn't happen. I thought this calc was based off of Toneri and his meteor calc
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Agreed,nagato's calc is the only thing that is debatableCallsign Castle said:
Every thing else is just based on baseless assumpitions with flawed reasoning and complete igonring for the rules of cinimatic timing here and the situation of earth-moon
I've never heared that gravitional force of two bodies can cause metreorites with such speed
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Funny how you guys only repeat things to denigrate my calculation and use nonsensical things to try to refute it. I'll answer the guy up there, that calculation will be applied anyway. Nothing that was said here refutes the calculation, nothing
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So what's the consensus here?
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What's even going on here cause it's been derailed with stuff about AP and Nagato
Take that too another thread cause it's annoying reading long paragraphs which don't deal with this subject at hand
Take that too another thread cause it's annoying reading long paragraphs which don't deal with this subject at hand
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there are literally thousands of different metreors that are closer to earth than those mftl metreors
Your own image contradicts you. There we clearly see the 3 pieces of moon that have fallen, plus, the scene shows meteors falling from the moon, not coming from that belt of asteroids near Earth. There is not even a problem there.
the one who is acting blind here is you,this is cinimatic timing
just because in your personal look this was just showing what's hapening on earth without time cut,doesn't mean shit
This can be looked at from different perspectives
again,his is cinematic time and this is vsbattels wiki "unless you want to make a new rule"
repeating shit doesn't prove any thing..naruto doesn't have to get a special treatment
Again, there is no perspective conflict here. The cuts in the scene are not intentional to cut and spend a certain amount of time X, the cut served only to show the scene on Earth and indicate that the meteors have arrived
my point is that the moon was moving towards earth for more than 4 straight days,and this feat was at the 5th night
so you can't at all use the distance between the real earth and moo
and i didn't say that we have to use the calculated distance at the end of the movie,but both events are by the end of the movie and at the same night with the convergence of their times
Yes, I can use this distance between the moon and the Earth. To decrease the calculation values, the distance should be reduced by tens of thousands of times, which does not occur here. Since you say that I can not use the distance between the Moon and the Earth because the Moon was advancing, please calculate the real distance between the two so that I can use in my calculation
Your own image contradicts you. There we clearly see the 3 pieces of moon that have fallen, plus, the scene shows meteors falling from the moon, not coming from that belt of asteroids near Earth. There is not even a problem there.
the one who is acting blind here is you,this is cinimatic timing
just because in your personal look this was just showing what's hapening on earth without time cut,doesn't mean shit
This can be looked at from different perspectives
again,his is cinematic time and this is vsbattels wiki "unless you want to make a new rule"
repeating shit doesn't prove any thing..naruto doesn't have to get a special treatment
Again, there is no perspective conflict here. The cuts in the scene are not intentional to cut and spend a certain amount of time X, the cut served only to show the scene on Earth and indicate that the meteors have arrived
my point is that the moon was moving towards earth for more than 4 straight days,and this feat was at the 5th night
so you can't at all use the distance between the real earth and moo
and i didn't say that we have to use the calculated distance at the end of the movie,but both events are by the end of the movie and at the same night with the convergence of their times
Yes, I can use this distance between the moon and the Earth. To decrease the calculation values, the distance should be reduced by tens of thousands of times, which does not occur here. Since you say that I can not use the distance between the Moon and the Earth because the Moon was advancing, please calculate the real distance between the two so that I can use in my calculation
