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All Base Sannins become "At least MHS+, likely Sub-Relativistic", sounds good.
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M3X said:And you can't tell us a number for Jiraiya's current speed, he scales above Kakashi's feat, yes, butnwe don't know how much. I would like to know a reason to why scale Orochimaru as Sub-Relativistic and Jiraiya as MHS+
Yes but the fact that he shot straight up to 6th gate rather than using the ones before (which were all Sub-Rel) obviously means Kisame at 30% is too strong for his gates below 6th gateDamage3245 said:@MostPowerfull; he used the 6th Gate to blitz Kisame's clone and defeat him quickly. I wouldn't consider that to mean Kisame can keep up with Guy using the 6th Gate at all.
Guy was keeping up with the 30% clone while in base, so that definitely doesn't sound right.TataHakai said:Yes but the fact that he shot straight up to 6th gate rather than using the ones before (which were all Sub-Rel) obviously means Kisame at 30% is too strong for his gates below 6th gate
Well keyword is "by surprise" eh? And ur arguments require way too many assumptions and are kinda convoluted tbhDamage3245 said:> he still definitely scales above the first gate, which again means solid sub-rel.
Can't agree with that. Base Guy was able to take Kisame by surprise in Part 1, and base Guy could keep up with 30% Kisame for a while.
He shot up to 6th Gate because it's powerful and fast. And for an out of story reason it's not unreasonable that Kishimoto just wanted to show off the 6th Gate for the first time because he had showed up to the 5th Gate in Part 1 Naruto.
Exactly.Omimi said:6th gate>5th gate>4th gate>3rd gate>2nd gate> 1st gate =sub-rel
Yes, and Kisame has never been shown to be comparable to 6th Gate Guy.Omimi said:6th gate>5th gate>4th gate>3rd gate>2nd gate> 1st gate =sub-rel
I agree.MostPowerfull said:@Damage
It also means that Guy deemed it necessary to stay unqualified above a 5x up to defeat a weak Kisame clone. And again, there are untold pieces... Guy didn't kept up with Kisame, he just had difficulties, as he faced the entire Team Guy, and after arresting them, he completely overpowered Guy and forced him to use the 6th Gate at once .
That is, the obvious is that Kisame is very powerful and quick for Guy to beat him, without being too much above him.
Which, obviously, makes anyone above Kisame 30% to be Sub-Rel, which of course are all High Tiers, including Kisame himself.
So, I think you need to stop with absurd explanations, to justify simple events, just because they give way to any kind of explanation.
Not sure what you mean.UchihaSlayer96 said:Chakra levels apply to all stats, that's how characters scale to each other. Why would we suddenly make an exception now?