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Naruto/Boruto General Dattebayo Discussion thread #45

I think Ikemoto can't draw the Tier structure or the power level of the characters to connect.

Is there any way to make you upgrade from 7-A to 5-B just by training?

It's not reasonable for Kage will be able to fight with Kinshiki and Urashiki who are Tier 5-B.
 
The sheer salt from Sakura haters would be worth it.


Hmm. Now you guys are making me to feel like wishing for a god tier Sakura. Let's stop while we can, haha.
 
BMWFanboy said:
Tho technically if Sakura ever became 5-B she actually would be the most useless Planet level character lol, she can literally just punch hard and nothing else
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Nah she would be able to beat DB characters, insane healing and her medical jutsu knowhow can actually give her good hax.
 
Medical jutsu had huge potential in the past. With what Kabuto and Tsuande did to each other, it was pretty broken.
 
Bunnyandtiger said:
I think Ikemoto can't draw the Tier structure or the power level of the characters to connect.
Is there any way to make you upgrade from 7-A to 5-B just by training?

It's not reasonable for Kage will be able to fight with Kinshiki and Urashiki who are Tier 5-B.
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Hashirama cells is the answer to everything.
 
BMWFanboy said:
Tho technically if Sakura ever became 5-B she actually would be the most useless Planet level character lol, she can literally just punch hard and nothing else
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Someone's forgetting about Kinshiki. Sakura has better abilities than he does.
 
I think we too fast created the profile of the Kara group. We should wait for more suitable times. So it would be great if you could delete Koji and Delta profiles.
 
Nah the profiles are fine, they are editable. But what I do think should happen is that you are making battles way too fast.
 
Bunnyandtiger said:
I think Ikemoto can't draw the Tier structure or the power level of the characters to connect.
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Blame Kodachi. Ikemoto is just drawing whatever is sent to him and he's said that he barely communicates with Kodachi, only with his editor.
 
BMWFanboy said:
Kinshiki has superior speed a 360 degree vision which trumps her meagre healing imo
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We're talking about abilities, speed doesn't matter. Meager healing? Creation Rebirth can regenerate organs and Tsunade was still alive after being cut in half. Kinshiki can just swing his weapons really hard.

As if any random Byakugan user can trump Byakugou. It depends on how you use your ability. Kinshiki did nothing noteworthy with it. Nothing at all.
 
Actually, as a 5-B chara simple organ regen isn't gonna help if she get's blitzed by charas such as Erza Scarlet, her healing is fine, but compared to the combination of Kinshiki's Byakugan and superior speed, it does get trumped
 
@Shadow

First thing first Naruto doesn't have the intention to kill and Sasuke mentions and Naruto directly tell him several times through their fight. (1 ,2 and 3)

You can read the frustration.

Naruto didn't take noticeable damage and his clones didn't dispel (1 and 2 ) and his casual TBBs stalemated against Sasuke's attack

Sasuke above Naruto with Indra's Arrow.

Kurama explicitly mentions about how Sasuke doing the thing Hagoromo did but in reverse and says how it's about nearly Hago's level. There is no need to be Hagoromo's level in power Chakra control and Rinnegan usage is enough.

I always said Asura Avatar shouldn't be a key because he can use whenever he wants like how MS (or above) users can use Susano'o, this is no different.

@Omimi

It matters how much chakra they have. Sakura nearly (if not perfect) complete control over her chakra through the series but this doesn't mean she is above Naruto and Sasuke in P2. If a character doesn't have the chakra to execute to jutsu it doesn't matter even if they perfect control over their chakra. Also, god-tiers have perfect control over their chakra already.
 
Again speed is not being counted here...

Anyway, BFF is Kodachi more involved with the anime? Because if it is only the editor that is talking to Ikemoto then this is very confusing...
 
Kinshiki doesn't really have to do anything with it. That's like saying if a Rinnegan user doesn't use it all out it isn't superior to say, an EMS. The Byakugan provides him 360 degree vision and he knows where to attack based on Tenketsu, it doesn't help if he had to battle Sasuke Uchiha as his opponent, but given Sakura's low speed, she'll spend more time getting hit and using her healing more and more till she get's exhausted against, say, Sasuke. Sakura wouldn't last half as long as Kinshiki did if you removed character from the battle
 
BMWFanboy said:
Why would speed not be counted tho lol?
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Because we are talking about who would be the most useless 5-B here. Sakura steight up has the better abilities. In vs debates on this wiki speed is equalised 99% of the time.
 
btw Sakura has the ability to dispell illusions but really every genin but Naruto should have it as no genin was affected iirc.
 
Speed being equalised on the wiki means speed doesn't become an issue? You realise speed is often equalised to give the slower character a chance right? Which further proves my point....
 
It really does not though, but let us say that Sakura was 5-B from fighting a 5-B character, she would be relavistic too because said character would probably be relavistic, so your speed point is kinda moot.
 
@Rocker

Yes, I think he's the one involved with the anime.

@BMW

You said Sakura would be the most useless 5-B because she just punches really hard. I'm telling you Kinshiki and Gai would be more useless than she'd be as they have inferior abilities and similarly just attack physically.

Knowing what to do =/= knowing how to do it properly. Why do you think the Hyuuga go through such dedicated training to master the Gentle Fist. It's not as cut and dry as you might think it is. And that's ignoring chakra scalpels that can do internal damage as well.
 
Hyuga aren't Otsutsuki first off, Otsutsuki have who knows how many years of experience in battle conquering and consuming worlds, hell Toneri was able to contend with Naruto and Toneri's been an orphan for a long ass time while Naruto was busting balls training lol.

Secondly Rocker, that's simply for this wiki, not vs debates in general, Vsbattles outside this wiki rarely give weaker charas the benefit of anything being equalised, so no, my speed point is still very valid
 
Hmm? Kodachi is the one writing the script of the manga, while Ikemoto handles the art. The anime deviates too much from the manga, as Ikemoto said. I don't know how we'd handle it for now.
 
LiWell yes it is only for this wiki because I am [pretty sure it is only this wiki that uses the tier 5-B. Also again she would also be relavistic from fighting a relavistic character.
 
Rocker1189 said:
LiWell yes it is only for this wiki because I am [pretty sure it is only this wiki that uses the tier 5-B. Also again she would also be relavistic from fighting a relavistic character.
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Well.....this isn't the only place that has Planet level charas tho? Which is basically what I meant, I just used 5-B cus that's what it means here
 
Mindovin said:
It matters how much chakra they have. Sakura nearly (if not perfect) complete control over her chakra through the series but this doesn't mean she is above Naruto and Sasuke in P2. If a character doesn't have the chakra to execute to jutsu it doesn't matter even if they perfect control over their chakra. Also, god-tiers have perfect control over their chakra already.
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yes both chakra control and chakra reserves needed

i meant suppose if both have 100 chakra then who has better chakra control will have more AP

and i am sure bps(50% hagoromo chakra+8.5 biju chakra) has more chakra hagoromo
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Hmm? Kodachi is the one writing the script of the manga, while Ikemoto handles the art. The anime deviates too much from the manga, as Ikemoto said. I don't know how we'd handle it for now.
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Tbh the way it sounds the anime is looking like main canon to me right now. It sounds like Kodachi is more involved with the anime and he is the main writer from what I can tell and he appears to know Naruto more than Ikemoto does, the ninja fight waay more like ninja in the anime than in the manga, the level of strength shown in the anime fights seem a bit closer to what to expect and Naruto fights like he should. I would wait to seem when the Kara are instroduced and so on. And I am pretty sure most people outside of this wiki believe that the anime is at least similar levels of canon to the manga.
 
>Otsutsuki have who knows how many years of experience in battle conquering and consuming worlds, hell Toneri was able to contend with Naruto and Toneri's been an orphan for a long ass time while Naruto was busting balls training lol.

And yet, Momo has abysmal combat skills on his own. Neither Urashiki nor Kinshiki showed us anything out of the norm. Just means Toneri has better combat skills than they do.
 
@Rocker

I'm not sure if you understand. Kodachi is the one doing the manga. Ikemoto is just drawing the art; he has no control over the plot. Kodachi does.
 
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