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Narnia: High 1-B

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Just a quick CRT of the Narnia pages for Aslan and the Emperor Beyond the Sea

At the end of the last battle, the protagonists enter Aslan’s Country and see the following quotes

“Lucy looked hard at the garden and saw that it was not really a garden at all but a whole world, with its own rivers and woods and sea and mountains. But they were not strange: she knew them all. "I see," she said. "This is still Narnia, and, more real and more beau- tiful than the Narnia down below, just as it was more real and more beautiful than the Narnia outside the Stable door! I see... world within world, Narnia within Narnia...."
"Yes," said Mr. Tumnus, "like an onion: except that as you continue to go in and in, each circle is larger than the last."
And Lucy looked this way and that and soon found that a new and beautiful thing had happened to her. Whatever she looked at, however far away it might be, once she had fixed her eyes steadily on it, became quite clear and close as if she were looking through a tele- scope. She could see the whole southern desert and beyond it the great city of Tashbaan: to eastward she could see Cair Paravel on the edge of the sea and the very window of the room that had once been her own. And far out to sea she could discover the islands, island after island to the end of the world, and, beyond the end, the huge mountain which they had called Aslan's country. But now she saw that it was part of a great chain of mountains which ringed round the whole world. In front of her it seemed to come quite close. Then she looked to her left and saw what she took to be a great bank of brightly- coloured cloud, cut off from them by a gap. But she looked harder and saw that it was not a cloud at all but a real land. And when she had fixed her eyes on one particular spot of it, she at once cried out, "Peter! Edmund! Come and look! Come quickly." And they came and looked, for their eyes also had become like hers.
"Why!" exclaimed Peter. "It's England. And that's the house itself — Professor Kirk's old home in the country where all our adventures began!"
"I thought that house had been destroyed," said Edmund.
"So it was," said the Faun. "But you are now looking at the England within England, the real England just as this is the real Narnia. And in that inner England no good thing is destroyed."
Suddenly they shifted their eyes to another spot, and then Peter and Edmund and Lucy gasped with amazement and shouted out and began waving: for there they saw their own father and mother, waving back at them across the great, deep valley.”
"That is easy," said Mr. Tumnus. "That country and this country — all the real countries — are only spurs jutting out from the great moun- tains of Aslan. We have only to walk along the ridge, upward and inward, till it joins on. And listen! There is King Frank's horn: we must all go up."

When they enter the country when the world ends, it is “the beginning of the real story. All their life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story, which no one on earth has read: which goes on for ever: in which every chapter is better than the one before.”

Tldr of it is that Aslan’s Country is beyond the countless worlds in the Wood Between Worlds and that everything beforehand was merely a spur of Aslan’s country, which contains the “real“ versions of all the worlds and has endless layers which are all greater and more real tHan the last, with everything that happened in their lives before Aslan’s Country merely being the title and cover page of a story with infinite chapters greater than the previous one in comparison. This would make Aslan High 1-B and The Emperor Beyond the Sea Low 1-A the way we accept the scaling now

However, in regards to Aslan, it is likely that this Aslan would require another key. Upon entering his country, it is noted that Aslan “no longer looked to them like a lion”, and Aslan himself has stated that Aslan is only one name he is known by: “But there I have another name. You must learn to know me by that name. This was the very reason you were brought into Narnia, that by knowing me here for a little, you might know me better there."


Additionally, according to word of god Aslan is not a symbol for Jesus but rather Jesus as he incarnates in Narnia. To quote: “if Aslan represented the immaterial Deity in the same way in which Giant Despair [a character in The Pilgrim's Progress] represents despair, he would be an allegorical figure. In reality however he is an invention giving an imaginary answer to the question, 'What might Christ become like, if there really were a world like Narnia and He chose to be incarnate and die and rise again in that world as He actually has done in ours?' This is not allegory at all.”

Since it’s basically all but stated that Aslan is only his Narnia incarnation, a key as “Aslan the Lion“ would probably be fine and stay at low 2-C. A true form key would probably be good for his existence in Aslan’s country
 
I was skeptical about this because Countless =/= Infinite. But then the "Infinite chapters statement" regarding the each circle being larger than the last makes sense.
 
The multiple countries like the real Narnia and real Earth are all in the same "layer", the one above the regular mortal multiverse, so they don't really matter much for the High 1-B rating.

I don't recall them ever explicitly stating that there are infinite layers, we just see the base one and the one above that Lucy finds, it's surely implied that there's a lot more though.

I guess you could interpret the chapter quote as that, if you take the chapters as the layers who just keep getting better, but I always interpreted it as just the immortality, since they now live forever their story will never end. I'd be fine with a "Low 1-C (for the layers we actually see), possibly/likely High 1-B".

Unless there's some explicit proof the Emperor transcends Aslan's country entirely, I'd be against 1-A. And I'm not sure if Aslan would scale to the country since I think the current assumption is that the Emperor was the one who created it, while Aslan created the mortal worlds.
 
Oh yeah, I'm not sure what infinite chapters was referring too. If it's referring to the "Each circle being bigger than the last" with each plane of circles being those chapters. I can see it. But InfiniteSped makes sense. Countless would just be 1-B at best. And Prom said At least Low 1-C, likely far higher seemed fine.
 
Tldr of it is that Aslan’s Country is beyond the countless worlds in the Wood Between Worlds and that everything beforehand was merely a spur of Aslan’s country, which contains the “real“ versions of all the worlds and has endless layers which are all greater and more real tHan the last, with everything that happened in their lives before Aslan’s Country merely being the title and cover page of a story with infinite chapters greater than the previous one in comparison. This would make Aslan High 1-B and The Emperor Beyond the Sea Low 1-A the way we accept the scaling now
Gap previous world and current world is infinite?
Or only greater than before
 
This is for the canon books, not the movie adaptations; which honestly appears discontinued since the 3rd film. But anyway, the others are correct that the final book really hits us with a giant surprise with how the entire cosmology of the verse works.
 
I like Narnia, but I like factual accuracy far more, so please elaborate regarding why the above text would make Aslan a countably infinite degree of infinities above baseline, and The Emperor Beyond the Sea an uncountable degree of infinities higher than baseline. Countless is only considered as a very high finite number here after all, and no infinities were mentioned in the first place as far as I could see.
 
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I know Ultima worked hard helping out for the plans, and I recall Thumnus having statements that "Each circle containing many circles is unfathomably larger than the inner circles." But I honestly don't see how any of the vague statements reach anything beyond 1-B. And even 1-B is admittedly very vague.
 
I suppose so, but I had the same impression as Medeus, so we need more information.
 
This is for the canon books, not the movie adaptations; which honestly appears discontinued since the 3rd film.
It is likely because the later books are very anti-Islam. Disney wouldn't be able or willing to deal with the subject.

Anyway, enough said about that, as we want to avoid any controversy in this community.
 
I like Narnia, but I like factual accuracy far more, so please elaborate regarding why the above text would make Aslan a countably infinite degree of infinities above baseline, and The Emperor Beyond the Sea an uncountable degree of infinities higher than baseline. Countless is only considered as a very high finite number here after all, and no infinities were mentioned in the first place as far as I could see.
So, after looking at the book again, i actually don’t see anything that would put the Emperor Beyond the Sea transcendental above his country, so I’ll fix that in the OP

as for the countless, I am aware, but that.logic in the revision is that the analogy of the book having infinite superior chapters likely refers to the nature of Heaven which is why Ultima and I had concluded possibly High 1-B seems reasonable
 
No problem. I hope that things will work out for you.

I would appreciate a more elaborate answer regarding the reasoning for the tiering though.
 
I believe there's details about each circle being unfathomably larger than the last. What that's suppose to mean is basically, the real world and Narnia are both two of many Low 2-C verses in the Low 1-C realm that is the Wood Between Worlds. WBW is one of manly Low 1-C cosmologies in a 6-D multiverse; that circle is one of many 6-D verses in a 7-D multiverse and the list goes on for "An infinite chapters" and ultimately ends Aslan's Country and Emperor over the Sea being above that.

But I still find that rather vague. Infinite chapters is implied to be referring to the number of upper circles that each contain innumerable smaller circles of the previous size. But it could just be a confirmation of their existing uncountable infinite number of worlds. So a Low 1-C structure is the absolute lowest way it can be interpreted. I could even see a possible 1-B given the countless number of upper circles between Wood Between Worlds and Aslan's Country; and if infinite was truly referring to the plains, I could even see High 1-B. But there is a lot of where interpretations sound admittedly vague yes.
 
Thank you. That seems to make sense to me.
 
Well, I would appreciate if he reads more of the discussion and then evaluates again.
 
Yeah, Ultima is welcome to come back to elaborate further; but at the moment, some of us consider it very vague.
 
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