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Nagito Komaeda vs Kaiji Itou

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Both are in a match of Uno for a 1,000,000 yen bet, which Kaiji needs to pay a important debt to loan sharks.

Kaiji has two weeks of prep time to rig the game as much as humanly possible.

Can Kaiji´s ZAWA ZAWA Bluffs take down the Luck Monster?

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Kuyashii!

Nagito Komaeda (6)
 
Kaiji's luck manipulation strips any chance of Nagito bullshiting a win. So I guess this just come down to raw Skill and how rigged the game is.
 
Oh man, i really dont wanna spoil one of the best Gambling anime in all time, but some of the wins Kaiji had managed to win with his raw luck and preparation are something else.


He tilted a building to rig a pachinko machine into being a little bit more cooperative, spit blood on his cards and pretended to change em because he knew that his opponent would notice and attempt to do something about it, and used a psychological blind spot to expose a rigged game, and thats just from the anime.
 
Is that all? Because Nagito luck can:

  • Won after being haunted by a Poverty God in a game.
  • Survived playing a Russian Roulette with five-in-six chance of dying or one-in-six chance of surviving.
  • jam a perfectly functional gun without doing anything
  • managed to survive being shot at and avoided fatal damage due to having his student handbook in his shirt pocket.
  • Caused a landslide by kicking a pebble.
  • Created and assisted a murder plan with massive preparations in an old building with the help of his luck and the idea of being the cleaner for a party.
  • Managed to create a murder mystery plan that was almost impossible to solve with the use of his intellect and his extreme luck.
  • found a secret entrance under the statue that no one aware of.
  • Won a country-wide lottery where apparently only one student is selected at random to attend Hope's Peak Academy as the Ultimate Lucky Student.
  • Managed to completely bring down an entire building by knocking out all of the restraining nuts and bolts simply by throwing a ball.
  • can shoot someone with succession by aiming randomly.
  • Survived a plane crash during his suspension and managed to bring a handgun with him that was used later for an attempt of assassinating Junko.
  • After being released when he has been kidnapped by a serial killer, Nagito had discovered a winning lottery ticket for three million yen in the garbage bag the murderer kidnapped him in.
 
.Well, thats impresive and all, but Kaiji has also made a rigged pachinko machine (literally) scream in pain with enough prep time, and that machine was designed to be impossible to win.

.Brave enough to do the brave man´s road without help. (walking thru an electric large metal beam 75 feet into the air.


There are some others, but while his "feats" are not as exxagerated as Nagito´s, this man knows how to prep and change odds to his side.
 
Does the latter has luck as well?

Since there's no other luck details mentioned in Itou's profile, mind if you guys could tell me more details about it because I need context on how it works.
 
Kaiji was never really one to rely on luck. Despite being a gambling anime and manga (personal fave, one of the best btw) it actually has Kaiji calling out bluffs, figuring out how others are cheating, and how to cheat their own cheat. Although he's more down to Earth his capability to outwit the enemy is really high but there are limits to that.

Unlike that bullshit luck I'm seeing right now from Naegito ;-; wtf

That said Naegito's luck seems to require the criteria and possibility of something falling apart. A gun could jam. A building could fall. Many of those could happen under 'luck' but then again Kaiji doesn't rely on luck. Rather if he could set up an uno game (I still can't believe we're talking about a uno game for that amount of money) there is a possibility that he could decisively win if eh could somehow ensure that there's a 0% chance for Naegito to win.


Issue, here is how the heck do you rig Uno ;-; But then again if he could rig a rock paper scissors game of cards this could be fine, especially with a lot of time to prep given to him and how he came up with the tissue box scene. He's an astounding actor too after all and despite not relying on luck, can be surprisingly lucky and understands enough about poker to outwit the enemy and all.

On the other hand Naegito's luck seems short term. His impossible plan is still fixed and solved in the end by everyone understanding how he thinks. So there are limitations to his goal. I mean he succeeded and all but there are limits and it's not like he's completely untouchable. Though he really is close to impossible to harm.

But who knows maybe even his luck would actually make it so Kaiji wins and there's some other goal accomplished?


Either way, I strongly believe that this can go either way. So I'm going to go with a tie if not Kaiji. And I wish to see more of Kaiji. Great match here Megaboy and glad to see another Kaiji fan.
 
Thanks for your vote, glad to hear you like Kaiji too.

Anyways, since Tonegawa proposed UNO as a game to put those who owe them money under, it implies that there MUST BE a way to rig the hell out of uno.

Should i change the game?

UNO
 
For now, I am going for Inconclusive.

EDIT: Technically, when the game starts, Komaeda's luck could affect and ruin his preparation and his tampering of the game for it not to work and I don't know more about Kaiji (Which is why I asked for more details about Kaiji because I needed context). This could go either way because what could happen is imprecise and it's self-explanatory why. (I forgot to state my reasons on why it is Inconclusive).
 
To reply Core long posting:

Nagito luck was so close in thwarting someone who was planning a global-scale uproars which was made from years of prep-time. He was only stopped by someone who has better luck than him.

His luck basically doesn't requires some criteria or something. His luck happens on random occasions he didn't want to happens (Found a winning lottery ticket after escaping from being kidnapped in a trash can, emptied the entire vending machine with a coin). I would say that his luck will screwed Kaiji cheating plan. Like maybe Kaiji will pick up all the bad cards while the good cards goes to Nagito.

I know that sounds absurd, but that is what I can imagines to happen in a card game with someone as lucky as Nagito.
 
Nagito 1

Kaiji 2

Inconclusive 2


I have to say, that it depends on how much Kaiji manages to rig UNO, if he can do it to the point it is literally impossible for Nagito to win, then the victory goes to kaiji.
 
I mean, if we wants to gauge Nagito luck potency, why don't we start comparing "a couple week of prep time to rig a card game", with "years of prep time to create a manmade global scale disaster that significantly changes the society and tip of the balance of Harmony".
 
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