(0-0-7) Nagito Komaeda vs John Doe (UnOrdinary)

[FantaRin_The_First]

The Ultimate Lucky Student (of Class 77-B) vs The Shadow King

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• The battle will take inside of an empty seven-floor office building
• Starting distance has them start twenty meters away from each other
• Both of them are bloodlusted, but neither of them start within each other's line of sight
• Nagito has access to his optional equipment and has seven minutes prep-time
• John has access to his powerset during his Fight with Arlo
• Nagito AP & Dura scales to 124 MJ, John's AP & Dura upscales from 283 MJ
• Nagito's LS is Average Human, John's LS scales to Class 5
• Speed is equal

Nagito Komaeda:

John Doe:

"... How boring." (Incon): 7 (@Cimafranca133, @Nico-v11, @RandomGuy2345, @Dalesean027, @FantaRin_The_First, @Bruhtelho, @Dragonite007)

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... Decided to do this match, cuz why not? That, and after getting a brief summary of John's series, I have come to the conclusion that everything John hates and stands against... is stuff that Nagito would, likely, believe in as "Hope" and would likely try to kill John since he would think that he would be going against "Hope", enough to say. Could be wrong, tho. Here's hoping that this match could actually work

 

[Arceus0x]

Ngl there is an upcoming 9-A character fromt the boxer who might turn out to be a perfect opponent for the nagito dude since he also has supernatural luck

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

... Nice!

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyways how good is Nagito's luck? Would it save his ass from becoming grass?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Yep. Or at the very least, allow him to survive long enough for him to make a poisonous grenade and gas John to death.

 

[Arceus0x]

What if he just locks him and himself in a barrier and nukes the hell out of him with lightning or lasers?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

7 mins of prep time, no starting in each other's line of sight, would make it very hard to happen...

Essentially, this match depends on a few factors, if Nagito can make the poisonous grenade fast enough, if he can evade John for long enough so that he doesn't get shit-stomp in combat, and if he can start a fire on-time since that is a requirement for the poison grenade to work, since it is just a poisonous liquid that turns into gas when exposed to fire... Hell, a double-kill would be in-character for Nagito.

If he can't fulfill any of these conditions, John wins.

 

[Arceus0x]

7 mins of prep time, no starting in each other's line of sight, would make it very hard to happen...

Essentially, this match depends on a few factors, if Nagito can make the poisonous grenade fast enough, if he can evade John for long enough so that he doesn't get shit-stomp in combat, and if he can start a fire on-time since that is a requirement for the poison grenade to work, since it is just a poisonous liquid that turns into gas when exposed to fire... Hell, a double-kill would be in-character for Nagito.

If he can't fulfill any of these conditions, John wins.

this seems like an incon or a win for john atm but i will wait for more supporters. Thing is, John wouldn't give a damn about walls or anything, he'd blast right through to Nagito and nuke him with lasers

 

[Nico-v11]

If they start with neither in line of sight then John has a massive advantage since John has Hunter which allows him to detect people, gives him extra sensory perception (which he has a version of already with aura detection), x-ray vision, and a few other things. Also Hunter gives John homing attacks so Nagito is gonna start getting blasted as soon as this starts.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

... Oh frick. I think I understand the issue. I, uh... meant to use the powerset that John had with his fight with the Rowden Royals... mostly due to Hunter screwing him immediately, y'know.

 

[Cimafranca133]

Following.

John's Advantages:
2.28 x AP and durability advantage
Higher LS
More versality
Much more experienced fighter

Nagito's Advantages:
Immensely High Luck
Higher Pain Tolerance

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Adding onto Nagito's advantages.

Nagito has optional equipment.

Nagito and John don't start in each other's line of sight.

Nagito starts off with seven mins of prep time.

Nagito's gun probably would only do chip damage to John, as the latter's upscale from his AP and ability to amp himself further with the powerset I gave to him likely renders the effectiveness of the gun to near-uselessness... or not. Piercing Damage is weird in fiction. I already talked about the poison that he has, and how he could potentially just gas John to death. Nagito's Luck would likely help him hide from John and protect him for awhile, not forever.

Hell, even in his own series; Nagito has had his plans fail, has been captured and imprisoned in a room, had caught a disease that incap'ed him for awhile, and so forth. But even if John gets Nagito in a bad spot, the latter's luck might kick in and screw the former over, since Nagito's Luck works on a system in where bad things happen to him, so a good thing can follow it immediately.

 

[Cimafranca133]

Hell, even in his own series; Nagito has had his plans fail, has been captured and imprisoned in a room, had caught a disease that incap'ed him for awhile, and so forth. But even if John gets Nagito in a bad spot, the latter's luck might kick in and screw the former over, since Nagito's Luck works on a system in where bad things happen to him, so a good thing can follow it immediately.

I think the real question is what would Nagito's luck do to John.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I think the real question is what would Nagito's luck do to John.

Hmm. To him directly? Nothing. Nagito's Luck's combat ability is more focused on environmental destruction as his Luck never 'directly' killed/harmed people for Nagito's benefit... barring that one time a mentor came out of nowhere and killed someone, but that feat (or anything like that) never happened on screen. What would happen, for example, would be the wiring might **** up and cause a building fire. A single attack from either one of them could cause the building to go down. A blackout could happen. Etc etc.

 

[Nico-v11]

What is the luck actually based on? As a power set? Wondering if John could copy it.

 

[Nico-v11]

Also let’s keep in mind that John’s AP and durability are going to be quite higher in this version because of Armor Suit, which has his AP and durability maxed out. Opposed to the other times we’ve seen him.

Heal link is pretty useless here though since he can only heal others with it.

Demon blade pretty much let’s John just cut others to pieces so the fight is pretty much over as soon as John hits Nagito.

And we have energy discharge which John can blast ten shots at the same time (one per finger).

How long does it take it take to make the grenade? What are the materials? They’re in an office building, I doubt there will be materials available for that.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

What is the luck actually based on? As a power set? Wondering if John could copy it.

In series? It is just Nagito's talent. It is ultimate bullshit, yes, but it isn't a superpower in-verse; he was just born lucky, that is it. Don't think John can copy that.

Also let’s keep in mind that John’s AP and durability are going to be quite higher in this version because of Armor Suit, which has his AP and durability maxed out. Opposed to the other times we’ve seen him.

Heal link is pretty useless here though since he can only heal others with it.

Demon blade pretty much let’s John just cut others to pieces so the fight is pretty much over as soon as John hits Nagito.

And we have energy discharge which John can blast ten shots at the same time (one per finger).

How long does it take it take to make the grenade? What are the materials? They’re in an office building, I doubt there will be materials available for that.

A plastic bottle that just needs to have poison poured into it. That's it. Nagito's poison grenade is just a special type of liquid poison placed into a plastic bottle. It is only deadly when it is exposed to hot temperatures cuz it would turn gas/vapor and fill a room... which would be a piece of cake for Nagito's Luck to do - frankly speaking, the only reason Nagito has a chance here is due to his optional equipment and luck.

 

[Cimafranca133]

In series? It is just Nagito's talent. It is ultimate bullshit, yes, but it isn't a superpower in-verse; he was just born lucky, that is it. Don't think John can copy that.

Even if Nagito's luck was a superpower, John wouldn't still be able to copy it since he cant copy most abilities that he can't see.

 

[Cimafranca133]

What if John shoots energy beams from both of his hands and starts spinning rapidly?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Either, Nagito luckily doesn't get touched at all or gets grazed nonfatally by one of the beams that causes him to fall down and luckily doesn't get harmed much further than that.

 

[Nico-v11]

Either, Nagito luckily doesn't get touched at all or gets grazed nonfatally by one of the beams that causes him to fall down and luckily doesn't get harmed much further than that.

If he gets hit then the beams will pierce through him. That’s what they always do

 

[Cimafranca133]

If he can evade John for long enough so that he doesn't get shit-stomp in combat

He probably can't since john's gonna keep shooting lasers at him non-stop.

If he can start a fire on-time since that is a requirement for the poison grenade to work, since it is just a poisonous liquid that turns into gas when exposed to fire... Hell, a double-kill would be in-character for Nagito.

What if the poison grenade kills both him and John

If Nagito can make the poisonous grenade fast enough.

I thought Nagito already made the poison grenades in his prep time

 

[Nico-v11]

I’m more curious about whether he starts with the poison or not

 

[Cimafranca133]

I’m more curious about whether he starts with the poison or not

If he doesn't I'm pretty sure that he has very low chances of winning even with his luck

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

To make this clear, both of them have a win-con here.

Nagito via his poison manip (which is boosted by his Luck and intelligence, to a degree) and John via literally everything he has. Personally, I am of the opinion that Nagito's Luck would protect him for long enough until he can get John into a situation that allows him to achieve his win-con, but, Nagito's Luck doesn't 'auto-protect/auto-fight' for him as it works under a system in where bad things happen to Nagito so good things can happen - so until they met each other, it is extremely likely that Nagito's Luck would make him screw up and make mistakes that would allow him to avoid John.

Even when they meet in combat, it won't screw over John too much. Nagito's Luck might make it so that John's Beams "accidently" hit something important cause the building to go down, start a fire, etc. He also could do some sweet ricochet tricks with his gun via luck, but John's superior dura makes the gun very useless.

If he gets hit then the beams will pierce through him. That’s what they always do

He probably can't since john's gonna keep shooting lasers at him non-stop.

ahem
Nagito's Luck feats.

• He found a winning lottery ticket in the trash bin, according to a quick google search, the odds of this were around 1 in 6096454
• Had his plane hijacked, which is a 0.000004% chance nowadays.
• Both the hijacker and his parents were smashed by a meteor, which is 1 in 1.6 billion
• Played Russian Roulette, 1/6 chance of living.... not very impressive compared to the other ones now.
• Had his plane crash, which is a 1 in 1.2 millionHe found a winning lottery ticket in the trash bin, according to a quick google search, the odds of this were around 1 in 6096454

Nagito's Luck would protect him from John's beam attacks for a long, long time.... Or just make it unlikely for John to score a hit on him on random. Again. They don't start with each other in their line of sight, so John won't even know where Nagito is, at the start.

What if the poison grenade kills both him and John

I thought Nagito already made the poison grenades in his prep time

Nagito is fine with that oncome, in-character. Nagito is very suicidal, willing to let himself die to achive what he wants.

And yes. I was just explaining on how it was made, or to be more correct, how easy it is for Nagito to make.

I’m more curious about whether he starts with the poison or not

It the only thing he ever actually made with prep time in-series, that, and... Nagito, in series, has done things that made no sense to him due to his Luck making him do it.

 

[Cimafranca133]

Nagito's Luck would protect him from John's beam attacks for a long, long time.... Or just make it unlikely for John to score a hit on him on random.

John can always shoot laser beams everywhere and/or destroy the entire building

They don't start with each other in their line of sight, so John won't even know where Nagito is, at the start.

John's aura sensing could probably help him know where Nagito is

Nagito is fine with that oncome, in-character. Nagito is very suicidal, willing to let himself die to achive what he wants.

Wouldn't that mean that it would be a tie (since both of them would die)

 

[Jibz]

Doesnt Nagato’s luck work as in bad luck —> good luck

We see this in the hangout events:

Parents dies in plane crash —> He survives

Gets kidnapped by murderer —> Goes onto find a lottery ticket netting him 300 million dollars

Vending machine breaks when he uses it —> Gets free drinks because a car crashes into it

So lets say John attacks him and Nagato gets injured, Komaeda will then go onto roll a natural 20 or vice versa

 

[Bruhtelho]

John can always shoot laser beams everywhere and/or destroy the entire building

Nagito's luck perfectly counters any building destruction lmao, a whole skyscraper collapsed and fell on Nagito and he was completely untouched, spamming lasers is useful but Nagito's luck will make a bullshit series of events which will make John have a far harder time then usual and even far more likely that if he destroys the building a massive piece just crushes John cause of his insane luck

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Doesnt Nagato’s luck work as in bad luck —> good luck

We see this in the hangout events:

Parents dies in plane crash —> He survives

Gets kidnapped by murderer —> Goes onto find a lottery ticket netting him 300 million dollars

Vending machine breaks when he uses it —> Gets free drinks because a car crashes into it

So lets say John attacks him and Nagato gets injured, Komaeda will then go onto roll a natural 20 or vice versa

Nagito's luck perfectly counters any building destruction lmao, a whole skyscraper collapsed and fell on Nagito and he was completely untouched, spamming lasers is useful but Nagito's luck will make a bullshit series of events which will make John have a far harder time then usual and even far more likely that if he destroys the building a massive piece just crushes John cause of his insane luck

Yes. This.

 

[Cimafranca133]

Is Nagito fast enough to dodge John's laser beams tho

I dont know how "Speed is equalized" works in attack speeds

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Speed equal.

 

[Dalesean027]

Doesnt Nagato’s luck work as in bad luck —> good luck

We see this in the hangout events:

Parents dies in plane crash —> He survives

Gets kidnapped by murderer —> Goes onto find a lottery ticket netting him 300 million dollars

Vending machine breaks when he uses it —> Gets free drinks because a car crashes into it

So lets say John attacks him and Nagato gets injured, Komaeda will then go onto roll a natural 20 or vice versa

yeah the worse luck that befalls nagito the more good luck will exponentially come out of it basically so he could take an L and get damaged but in the end that'd just set him up for some crazier luck shit in the long run

 

[Bruhtelho]

Is Nagito fast enough to dodge John's laser beams tho

Speed is equalized + luck causes him to trip over something making the beams not hit him at all

 

[Bruhtelho]

I dont know how "Speed is equalized" works in attack speeds

the faster opponent is equalized to the slower opponents speed, so John is equalized to Nagito's Average Human speed for everything, leaving Nagito unaffected, thats what ive been told.

 

[Jibz]

Unless the lasers directions are purposefully misdirection itll be hard to hit Nagato. Nagato has prep time, along with ample knowledge of his ability.

I see no reason as to why he wouldnt be able to win if he manipulates his luck properly, we’ve seen his abject disregard for pain before so not only do we know its in character he has the tolerance to do so.

Ill stay neutral for now but im leaning towards voting for cat noir.

 

[Cimafranca133]

Considering that Nagito's poison is a liquid that turns into gas. I think the poison will kill both Nagito and John.

 

[Jibz]

wheres the fight taking place? Equal speed and 7 minutes of prep time would be ample time for him to find an area in which John would be affected by the gas and Komeda wouldnt, especially with probability altering luck involved

 

[Bruhtelho]

Considering that Nagito's poison is a liquid that turns into gas. I think the poison will kill both Nagito and John.

Nagito is still actually gonna try and win since SBA states "In character, but will attempt to win the battle." so he's not just gonna let himself get poisoned by his own stuff

 

[Bruhtelho]

wheres the fight taking place? Equal speed and 7 minutes of prep time would be ample time for him to find an area in which John would be affected by the gas and Komeda wouldnt, especially with probability altering luck involved

"The battle will take inside of an empty seven-floor office building"

 

[Cimafranca133]

Nagito is still actually gonna try and win since SBA states "In character, but will attempt to win the battle." so he's not just gonna let himself get poisoned by his own stuff

Ok