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My Hero Academia Plus Ultra Discussion Thread #8

Toru's Light Manipulation one of the things I really want touched up on in the story. We've seen her use it twice and would've been useful in the Class 1A vs Class 1B.
 
Gifted really isn't justified for Sero with the given justification, sorry but I had to change it
 
I'm not sure. Toru's Best feat of strength was not coming in dead last like Base Deku in episode 6.
 
ƒÿó Toru's wiki keeps repeating "(Should be compariable to other U.A. Students)" which the only way to gage her without having her be 10-B or -A.
 
I pick F for Toru. I hope the story touches on her more so her fan base can grow and we learn more about how her quirk works.

I thought it was originally just invisibility but then she could bend light to blind people? And Horikoshi never explained this.

Well... it's also no longer unique to the MHA universe since Bakugo can also blind people with light.
 
Toru should be at the very least 9-A, as she can hurt Manga Fukidashi with her punches, who as a hero-in-training is at least comparable to Mei Hatsume.
 
> who as a hero-in-training is at least comparable to Mei Hatsume

Which is still pretty rubbish as far as reasoning goes. It's no different then just filling all of her justifications in as "Should be comparable to Mei Hatsume".

It just goes to show how many of the cast are still effectively featless.
 
>It's no different then just filling all of her justifications in as "Should be comparable to Mei Hatsume".

And what's wrong with that? Is scaling between characters forbidden now? I don't know how you can expect every single character to have their own feats, let's not go back to the time when every MHA character had to have 9-A+/8-C feats in order to scale.
 
> Is scaling between characters forbidden now?

When the scaling is baseless, then yeah.

There isn't anything specifically pointing out that Mei Hatsume is the standard for durability among hero course students.

There isn't a condition for being in Class 1-A or Class 1-B then is "You must be tougher than the kids in every other class".
 
@Damage but there kind of is, or at the very least there has to be when you're comparing students in the hero course to students in other courses where combat isn't their core specialty. Suggesting that a student in the hero course where combat is their main curriculum is physically inferior to a student that has no reason to train physically is somewhat odd.
 
@Davidsteel1; it doesn't have to be suggested at all. We just need to go off of what the feats depict. We're judging characters based on what is basically a gag scene.

@Kingofwolves999; no idea why All Might has that key.
 
I don't know what the feat in question is, and it really doesn't change my point. If the argument is that the feat shouldn't be used specifically because it's a gag feat then I have little issue with that, but that doesn't mean scaling class 1A and B students to the other courses that are less combat oriented is wrong.

Classes 1A and B are distinct in the sense that they are supposed to be the best (at least physically) among their year. That's why Shinso didn't get into the hero course, he lacked the necessary physical abilities, both classes then proceed to train continuously since getting into the UA. Mei on the other hand isn't physically outstanding and she has no real reason to be, if she can take a certain amount of punishment then logically it stands that anyone in class A or B (barring any unique circumstances) should at minimum be able to take the same amount of punishment.

It's the equivalent of comparing a bodybuilder to a shut in.
 
@Davidsteel1; it's very indirect scaling that is based more on our assumptions than what we're actually told or shown in the series. I stand by what I said earlier, that it is rubbish.

We're basically saying that by feats this character isn't much better than human level / super human level, but we can just guess that she's higher.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
All Might has a Low 7-C key that is more featless than any student here
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The logic is simple, Deku, who at that time could barely control 5%, was able to make a Low 7-C feat, while All Might was able to control 100% from the beginning.

I know One For All becomes stronger each time it's transferred to another bearer, but Deku's current base strength is so low that it wouldn't make any difference.
 
We are explicitly told several times that U.A. is the top school in the country and then we are told that the students who get in have to be the best of the best. Characters then tell us that the tests that determine whether or not you get into U.A. are not perfect because they are far more geared towards the examinees who are more physically powerful than others.

Class 1A are described as the cream of the crop and we see that they are continuously training to improve their physical capabilities. Mei is a shut in who spends almost all her time building and hardly ever trains, her quirk does not grant her any unusually impressive physical stats except good eyes.

These aren't assumptions, these are facts the series outright spells out for us. If Mei is the closest thing we get to a baseline human in U.A. I fail to see what is so ridiculous about scaling more physically focused characters to her.
 
> If Mei is the closest thing we get to a baseline human in U.A.

IMO the closest thing to a baseline human in the series should just be baseline human.
 
Damage3245 said:
@Davidsteel1; it's very indirect scaling that is based more on our assumptions than what we're actually told or shown in the series. I stand by what I said earlier, that it is rubbish.
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Assumptions are not inherently bad or wrong, we make them all the time in calculations, and this one is very reasonable considering what David has said.
 
I'm just waiting for Toru to have a physical feat other than Comic guy, who seems like baseline human for being overtaken by Toru.

Koda resisting Beast Man was like Toru's feat, but Beast Man shown how physically strong he was while Comic Guy didn't.
 
We can wait for more feats before creating her profile, but I honestly doubt Hori will make another training arc in the near future, taking into account the reception of the last one.
 
I'm hoping for a class 1A Battle Royale towards the end of the first year. But I would hope it has importance to the plot.
 
The logic is simple, Deku, who at that time could barely control 5%, was able to make a Low 7-C feat, while All Might was able to control 100% from the beginning.

I know One For All becomes stronger each time it's transferred to another bearer, but Deku's current base strength is so low that it wouldn't make any difference.

I feel like this train of logic is based far too heavily on assumption though. You're not only assuming that the power gap is small, you're assuming that Young Might isn't stronger due to his control. I could say he's just shy of 7-A and there's nothing to contradict it because the guy has no feats or scaling, and how much stronger he got over his life span is unknown. He was 7-A while dying and with air pressure alone, but fresh with OFA he's Low 7-C?

It just seems like far too many assumptions about how OFA works and how strong AM got in America are being used to say he's comparable to 100% Deku. Also Deku did a Low 7-B feat right after doing his Low 7-C feat, why doesn't AM just scale to that one?
 
Idk if this is considered headcanon or not but if OFA is a stockpile quirk, you base strength level (strength being all stats, physical strength, speed, durability etc) is important then. While Deku has a stronger "version" being OFA9 compared to All Might's OFA8, All Might's orignal base form from when he was in high school could've potentially been vastly higher than Deku's current base so that by the time the OFA8 boost is applied, even though it's technically less than Deku's OFA9 boost, All Might is overall stronger. And we've seen that people in verse like Nighteye and Mirio have reached at least High 8-C AP wise without strength enhancing quirks or while quirkless, and people like Endeavor and Jeanist have 8-B durability without enhancement quirks.

That seems to make the most sense to me why Deku's stronger OFA even at 100% is vastly inferior to All Might's less than full power from what we've seen. Even in the manga, All Might said that him simply moving at 100% would cause windstorms that would destroy the environment, and this was *after* we saw Deku use things like "1,000,000%" against Muscular and 100% Full Cowl against Overhaul without having anything close to that effect even with as stronger version of the quirk
 
That's why I think it's a bad assumption to just say fresh AM with OFA is as strong as Deku, it's putting a label/limit on how much stronger he is when we don't have one. He could be above 7-A for all we know, or the boost in OFA could be so ridiculously large that he's actually just 8-A and he trained to became stronger. There's too many assumptions that need to be taken to say he's just as strong as current Deku's 100% when he could be vastly above. Too little is known about the power boost given from OFA.
 
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