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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Metalballrun said:
Alright. Let's compile the list of praises Bakugo received during the fight.
  1. Kirishima praised him for "putting everything on the line for someone else." You know, the bare minimum for a hero, which is saving someone. They praised him because, as Monoma put it explicitly, Bakugo got "character development". When it comes to saving, Bakugo was so far down the standard of heroism that just saving Jiro made Kirishima so proud of him.
  2. Setsuna says Bakugo's team is flawless. Well, there isn't really much we can complain about this, because this is how Horikoshi chose to write it. It's just like the Cavalry Battle but Bakugo knew how to utilize his teammates best to support him. It is simple teamwork.
    1. And while this might lean more on a subjective take, one of the biggest reasons people didn't like this fight (me included) is that it's really just Bakugo's team. As in, Bakugo + Bakugo's goons. The only thing Jiro, Sato, and Sero did was to support Bakugo as he mows down 3/4 of their opponents.
I'm not even saying their teamwork was bad. It wasn't. I was good, just not nearly as as great as some people make it out to be as they defeated a disadvantaged opponents, which is honestly an entirely different complaint for me in a narrative standpoint.
This is just a step towards Bakugo's improvement as a team player.
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Considering what type of character Bakugou is, this is impressive. Bakugou isn't known to be as heroic as Deku is, but for him to put everything on the line just to save a few of his teammates? That's ******* impressive. This goes far deeper than simple praise.

Setsuna said Bakugou's team is flawless because it is. There was little error in his team's formation, and absolutely zero opportunity for Setsuna's team to actually win. Bakugou's teammates provided Bakugou with complete support. This succeeds well enough to the point they had zero casualties. Essentially, they were perfectly in sync.

If Setsuna's wrong, why don't you prove why his team's formation isn't flawless? Despite the many W's, they gained within the match.

Even if Bakugou was praised far to much for his match, this is still a significant point in his character arc. Bakugou being heavily praised for something like this wouldn't drag that down. People nitpick this fight far to much to the point it's insulting to the character and the story.

Point is, there is no valid excuse for why people make these arguments. It just seems like your pulling them out of your ass to try and downplay what Bakugou did in his match. No offense? But I don't see how any of this makes you right.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Hey, so what's the cut off for being a genius in combat for the wiki. I feel that Deku has more than enough feats to warrant it at this point.
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He calculated the trajectory of bullets mid-air before they even hit him, and is capable of finding uses for new powers, even when he just gained them. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of heroes and their abilities too.
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
I'm more excited for the part about it being similar to DBFZ in all honesty. Though, the MHA leak community does make it sound like its a small chance in hell the rumor is actually real, but we can still hope regardless.

I'll be adding this to my list of E3 hopes now.
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I know that due to anime onlies this wouldn’t happen so soon
But if the MHA DBFZ is real
Could you imagine Deku with Fajin and Black whip doing GT Goku style air wall bounce combos and self propelling himself
Along with crazy Mid air grabs honestly would be fun as hell to play
But Ive got my hopes low
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Hey, so what's the cut off for being a genius in combat for the wiki. I feel that Deku has more than enough feats to warrant it at this point.
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Well he’s definitely absolutely got the gifted rating in combat
But I think genius is more complicated (Since this is combat I won’t compare him to someone like Erwin Schrödinger or Einstein for obvious reasons),
But he was capable of predicting the trajectory of and dodging Nagant’s CURVING shots from a closer range despite them having a speed advantage over him.

Is a walking Encyclopedia when it comes to quirks and heroes
Which plays into his battle strategies he makes on the fly while under pressure with quirks he barely has experience with.
At minimum he’s Gifted in Combat, but Intelligence is hard to assess sometimes so I’m not sure if it warrants Genius

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Gifted states this:
“Character that demonstrate high reasoning ability, can master concepts with few repetitions, and display high performance capability in intellectual, creative, or specific academic fields.”
Extremely accurate for Deku

Genius is more like:
“Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, generally in one area of varying depth, often possessed by fictional scientists and strategists. This level of intelligence is the level of actual geniuses and famous intellectuals in the real world and, in lieu of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters treated as if they have exceptional or superhuman intelligence.”
So which one better fits you guys can decide I guess
 
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Earthyboy said:
Considering what type of character Bakugou is, this is impressive. Bakugou isn't known to be as heroic as Deku is, but for him to put everything on the line just to save a few of his teammates? That's ******* impressive. This goes far deeper than simple praise.

Setsuna said Bakugou's team is flawless because it is. There was little error in his team's formation, and absolutely zero opportunity for Setsuna's team to actually win. Bakugou's teammates provided Bakugou with complete support. This succeeds well enough to the point they had zero casualties. Essentially, they were perfectly in sync.

If Setsuna's wrong, why don't you prove why his team's formation isn't flawless? Despite the many W's, they gained within the match.

Even if Bakugou was praised far to much for his match, this is still a significant point in his character arc. Bakugou being heavily praised for something like this wouldn't drag that down. People nitpick this fight far to much to the point it's insulting to the character and the story.

Point is, there is no valid excuse for why people make these arguments. It just seems like your pulling them out of your ass to try and downplay what Bakugou did in his match. No offense? But I don't see how any of this makes you right.
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— Metalballrun never disputed this point, and I won't either. We acknowledge that this sort of thing is extraordinary for him. Your point here is moot.

— Exactly. Because all of that was how Horikoshi intended to write it. He wrote Setsuna's team to be utter crap while Bakugo's own squad would win out via utilizing basic teamwork. There's not much leeway to dispute what literally just happened. If you want to call Bakugo's victory a sign of his development, go ahead. I agree with you on this point. But do not act like his teamwork was phenomenal and anything more than him utilizing simple teamwork. He wasn't.

— If you say so, but your points really do not invalidate our arguments, like, at all. People were disappointed in the fight because Team 1-B was too crap for the fight to have actually payed off. If Setsuna and co. were more strategic and flexible against Team 1-A and actually were neck-and-neck with them in some way, Bakugo's development would have payed off even more since he would have been pushed into utilizing his own smarts much more than when he did.
Metalballrun said:
And while this might lean more on a subjective take, one of the biggest reasons people didn't like this fight (me included) is that it's really just Bakugo's team. As in, Bakugo + Bakugo's goons. The only thing Jiro, Sato, and Sero did was to support Bakugo as he mows down 3/4 of their opponents.
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— I share your sentiments here as well.

— At your last point I'm going to have to tell you straight up to calm yourself, please. You are essentially saying that our opinions are worth dirt.
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Well he’s definitely absolutely got the gifted rating in combat
But I think geniuses (Since this is combat I won’t compare him to someone like Erwin Schrödinger or Einstein for obvious reasons)
But he was capable of predicting the trajectory of and dodging Nagant’s CURVING shots from a closer range despite them having a speed advantage

Is a walking Encyclopedia when it comes to quirks and heroes
Which plays into his battle strategies he makes on the fly while under pressure with quirks he barely has experience with.
At minimum he’s Gifted in Combat, but Intelligence is hard to access sometimes so I’m not sure if it warrants Genius

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Gifted states this:
“Character that demonstrate high reasoning ability, can master concepts with few repetitions, and display high performance capability in intellectual, creative, or specific academic fields.”
Extremely accurate for Deku

Genius is more like:
“Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, generally in one area of varying depth, often possessed by fictional scientists and strategists. This level of intelligence is the level of actual geniuses and famous intellectuals in the real world and, in lieu of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters treated as if they have exceptional or superhuman intelligence.”
So which one better fits you guys can decide I guess
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Gifted seems to fit more. Deku doesn't seem to have superhuman intelligence, just that he's extremely knowledgeable and skilled when it comes to quirks which I guess counts as a specific field.
 
Gifted fits him very well, but then he also has these ridiculous, on the fly calculation based analysis feats like vs Gentle and Nagant, despite them being faster than him. Like, it’s quite a leap to go from “Deku is very good at analyzing quirks and seeing the enemies movements” to “he accurately calculated the trajectory of my several curved bullets, to the point he could tell where I was going to be before I got there despite the bullets being faster than he is and using a quirk he has never used before.”

Like, what? That’s not natural at all.
 
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ÆONS said:
— Metalballrun never disputed this point, and I won't either. We acknowledge that this sort of thing is extraordinary for him. Your point here is moot.

— Exactly. Because all of that was how Horikoshi intended to write it. He wrote Setsuna's team to be utter crap while Bakugo's own squad would win out via utilizing basic teamwork. There's not much leeway to dispute what literally just happened. If you want to call Bakugo's victory a sign of his development, go ahead. I agree with you on this point. But do not act like his teamwork was phenomenal and anything more than him utilizing simple teamwork. He wasn't.
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Then good, because that means that his classmates have valid reasons to praise him. This development is impressive for someone like him and that's why they're praising him. You've basically just conceded to my point here.

And if I may ask, where exactly is the proof that he wrote her to be "utter-crap" as you say? Other than that, you have countered literally nothing of what I mentioned. You're just saying I'm wrong for the sake of saving your argument, which doesn't mean you're right.

ÆONS said:
— If you say so, but your points really do not invalidate our arguments, like, at all. People were disappointed in the fight because Team 1-B was too crap for the fight to have actually payed off. If Setsuna and co. were more strategic and flexible against Team 1-A and actually were neck-and-neck with them in some way, Bakugo's development would have payed off even more since he would have been pushed into utilizing his own smarts much more than when he did.
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This is funny for three reasons.
  1. Just saying my points never invalidated your arguments doesn't mean you're correct. You need proof, logic, and facts for that to be true. And so far you've provided zero of that.
  2. You keep on saying that these teams were crap despite never showcasing why. I've even elaborated on why I think their formation was fine. To which you never even addressed.
  3. Setsuna's team actually captured Bakugou at one point and would've captured him had it not been for his teammates helping him strategically. In many ways, her team had its strong points. It's just that Bakugou came out on top. There's little wrong with what Setsuna's team attempted to do, it's just that Bakugou's better. Simple as that.
Do I need to say this to you again? Just saying "I'm wrong" isn't a valid argument. Especially when I dissected and debunked several of your arguments. You have no right to say your arguments are "right" in this situation.

ÆONS said:
— At your last point I'm going to have to tell you straight up to calm yourself, please. You are essentially saying that our opinions are worth dirt.
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No, I'm only saying that the logic behind your opinions makes no sense. In fact, you've literally just said to me several times that my arguments do not debunk your's, and have applied that you think you're right. It is perfectly within my right to disagree and explain why you're wrong. I'm not dissing on your opinion, this is just how discussions/debates work.
 
TheRustyOne said:
What about Nagant's intelligence? She was able to fired a curving bullet around a building, before Izuku was moving, and it was a direct hit. Her bullets aren't something she can control remotely, so her ability to not only predict where Izuku was going to be ahead of time, but as well as calculating the curve her bullet would need to wrap around the building is very impressive.

I'm fine with either Gifted or Genius for Izuku, though I'm not sure how we'd actually rate this stuff.
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Intelligence is just a really hard thing to measure.

Gifted for Nagant seems pretty ok
She’s also got years of experience along with that bullet prediction feat. (Not sure if this matters as much but She was trusted by the hero commission when it came to handling the more complex villains and the dirtier work over likely many other heroes.)
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
I feel like his intelligence should be split into keys tbh. I don't recall Midoriya ever performing feats on the sheer level that he just did before the current arc (please correct me if I'm wrong).
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nah, you're right, he got far smarter the more experience he gained.

He did, however, perform a similar ridiculous feat when he predicted and memorized the placements of Gentle's invisible air barriers, so much that he could accurately shoot and bounce his Air Force off them and hit him in the chest.
 
I suppose that is true, but I feel like that's a tad bit under the level of evading psudeo-danmaku swarms of bullets coming from several different angles and directions from a woman who possesses superhuman shooting capabilities and accuracy via pure skill alone who also has insanely high predictive abilities herself.

Maybe just gifted in combat for every other key?
 
Crimson_Shadow101 said:
I suppose that is true, but I feel like that's a tad bit under the level of evading psudeo-danmaku swarms of bullets coming from several different angles and directions from a woman who possesses superhuman shooting capabilities and accuracy via pure skill alone who also has insanely high predictive abilities herself.

Maybe just gifted in combat for every other key?
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I can agree with that.

Something like:

Gifted (Insert reasoning) | Gifted (add feats here) | Gifted, Genius in combat (Lady Nagant feat)
 
Nagant was able to nick Fajin + Centrifugal Force + 45 = Pseudo 100% Speed Deku with her second shot. That’s pretty impressive, unless he only reached that Pseudo 100% speed right after that swing.
 
She fired her bullet before he had started making his movement, she was shocked to see him move that fast when he save Chisaki. I'm certain he hadn't propelled himself actually, in fact you can see a panel which has a bullet in front of him before he swings around the building, that's probably where he was grazed.

Pretty sure he didn't use the Pseudo 100% boost until he actually said the line. I'm wait for the official scans to get a better picture, for both the translation and the visuals.
 
In the latest episode that just dropped, Deku and Uraraka were able to tell Monoma had OFA just from the green lightning emanating from him. This confirms that the green lightning is visible! Doesn’t it? For all the people who said it’s just for the readers and isn’t actually visible.
 
I haven't seen the episode yet, but in the manga they weren't certain if he had OFA. In fact Uraraka stated he must have been bluffing after she restrained him. Which makes no sense if he had green lightning (Which he didn't have in the manga), they suspected he copied his power because he touched Izuku, and literally yelled out that he copied it.

Also Uraraka was baffled that Izuku would lose to Shinso in a contest of strength, he had to tell her he wasn't using OFA
 
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AtomicSekiro said:
In the latest episode that just dropped, Deku and Uraraka were able to tell Monoma had OFA just from the green lightning emanating from him. This confirms that the green lightning is visible! Doesn’t it? For all the people who said it’s just for the readers and isn’t actually visible.
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Monoma doesn't have it in the manga. The manga only has the gradient skin effect Deku gets with Full Cowl which the anime has never replicated (part from I think 100% Deku vs Overhaul).

The anime can't do the gradient consistently probably cause of how complex it would be to draw frame by frame so they used the lightning for Monoma.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
In the latest episode that just dropped, Deku and Uraraka were able to tell Monoma had OFA just from the green lightning emanating from him. This confirms that the green lightning is visible! Doesn’t it? For all the people who said it’s just for the readers and isn’t actually visible.
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He also flat out confirms he can't copy OFA as it's a Stockpile type quirk.
 
No, technically he did copy OFA.

He just didn't get the power that was stored inside of it, he got an empty Quirk. That is why he calls them blanks, using Fat Gum as an example. Fat Gum can store energy into his fat, but Monoma isn't fat, so copying Fat Gum's Quirk wouldn't protect him like it does Fat Gum.
 
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TheRustyOne said:
No, technically he did copy OFA.

He just didn't get the power that was stored inside of it, he got an empty Quirk. That is why he calls them blanks, using Fat Gum as an example. Fat Gum can store energy into his fat, but Monoma isn't fat, so copying Fat Gum's Quirk wouldn't protect him like it does Fat Gum.
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Ah my bad then, must have misremembered how his quirk works.
 
Oh yeah. What happened to Gigantomachia? I’d be very surprised if AFO didn’t target his prison immediately if he knew where he was.
 
Considering that if Machia broke free I'm certain we would've known by now, I imagine AFO is letting them keep him for now. He was suppose to go to Tartarus, but I imagine they transported him somewhere else when it fell. We have no idea where he is right now.

Since AFO likely doesn't need him for the moment, right now he needs to avoid getting found. Since if he ever gets caught by say Aizawa's Quirk, he can't fight like Shigaraki can, and currently Shigaraki should still be recovering. We don't know what AFO is planning right now, but he either needs the Doctor or something the Doctor left behind which can finish Shigaraki's surgery.

Since he can't steal OFA without that being completed, we don't really know what's going to happen or what he's doing.
 
He's probably held somewhere else choleful of drugs to keep him from waking up. I don't think he was in any prison yet before AFOs raid on the prisons.

We don't really have an accurate status for him and Kurogiri.
 
If AFO got caught in Aizawa's quirk range, he would be done for unlike Shiggy.

His longevity quirk would probably also be turned off, he would probably age in like an instant like how Ujiko's clone did.
 
They pretty much completely removed all the blood from Deku getting Twin Impacted in the face and only added a few barely visible speckles in the air. I hate it.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
They pretty much completely removed all the blood from Deku getting Twin Impacted in the face and only added a few barely visible speckles in the air. I hate it.
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It’s a shame anime often do toning down like that unless if it’s plot relevant thing (Fatal Injury)
It makes me a bit worried for Mva and how they’re gonna handle shiggy turning his family into Bags of meat essentially
 
I have to bring this up again, but since Twin Impact is stated to increase the power of the second blow by several times.

Wouldn't that mean Monoma's AP would be several times weaker, and several is at least 3X, to at most 11X? Which means At least 8-C, possibly High 8-C Monoma? Since his attack multiplied by several times was able to injure 8% Izuku enough to draw blood.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I have to bring this up again, but since Twin Impact is stated to increase the power of the second blow by several times.

Wouldn't that mean Monoma's AP would be several times weaker, and several is at least 3X, to at most 11X? Which means At least 8-C, possibly High 8-C Monoma? Since his attack multiplied by several times was able to injure 8% Izuku enough to draw blood.
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I already agree with such the amp is consistent

Unless somebody views it as an outlier for Monoma to be that strong
 
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